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Just was wondering, for present day space marines, where do they get their technology from and is it still being created efficiently? After the horus heresy a lot of resources were consumed and left their supplies very low. Anyways I was curious about how the chapters maintain and replenish their supplies primarily with space marine weapons and armour. Im not focusing on a chapter geneseed as thats usually grey for each one (mutations ex). Any information would help!

Their technology is imperfectly being preserved by the Adeptus Mechanicus. The same guys who can somehow manage to lose the ability to manufacture a type of cannon in widespread use because one world is lost.

They get "new" equipment from the AdMech as well but the Marines can make guns, swords and most likely spare parts.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
The same guys who can somehow manage to lose the ability to manufacture a type of cannon in widespread use because one world is lost.

Which is weird because Mars should have known how to make it. Mars is supposed to essentially receive blueprints of all designs after all.

BA have baal predators when other SM dont
i think similar Mechanicus have their own "secrets" .Remeber that Imperium and Mechanicus are allies , not a single empire

Don't forget mars was gripped by a civil war on which chaos corrupted a lot of equipment. So a lot of the know how would have died out.

The mechanum is still searching for lost stc devices so they can re learn what they've lost

A few chapters also have, if not Forge World's, then Mechanicus research world's nearby. The Ultramarines have Konor, the Red Scorpions have a nearby forge world that produces lots of Mk. IV armour. On top of that, all chapters have vast forges of their own to manufacture munitions and weapons, repair armour and vehicles, and to personalise armour parts with honours and extra plating. Artificier armour is made over time, not in one go.

Its 40k It depends.

The Mechanicum has its own factions and power groupings and not all knowledge is shared.

The Astartes Chapters usually have their own manufacturing base which can be fairly basic or extensive such as the Salamanders, Iron Hands or Raven Guards - several of whom are described as being equivalent to a small Forge World on their own.

On the other hand some Chapters actively scavenge stuff...........

 Mr Morden wrote:

The Mechanicum has its own factions and power groupings and not all knowledge is shared.

Every design is supposed to be sent to Mars. It defies credibility for Mars to not know about the Vanquisher cannon. For it to be lost with the fall of Forgeworld Tigrus requires Tigrus to have refused to share the secret with Mars and pretty much openly defy the leadership of the Adeptus Mechanicus. Which should have been a huge deal.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

The Mechanicum has its own factions and power groupings and not all knowledge is shared.

Every design is supposed to be sent to Mars. It defies credibility for Mars to not know about the Vanquisher cannon. For it to be lost with the fall of Forgeworld Tigrus requires Tigrus to have refused to share the secret with Mars and pretty much openly defy the leadership of the Adeptus Mechanicus. Which should have been a huge deal.

"Supposed" to be - but if you read the fluff then many designs are unique to Forge Worlds and whilst Mars is the home and head of the Preisthood its going to have limitations due to distance and sheer power of some of the older Forgeworlds. There are factions and powergroups within the Cult as much as in any other aspect of the Imperium. You don't want to start a civil war over these things.

They can run with the "we sent has it not arrived? Shame we'll send it again" for quite a long time

 Mr Morden wrote:
They can run with the "we sent has it not arrived? Shame we'll send it again" for quite a long time

The peculiarities of Warp travel would help with that. However, the Mechanicus is liable to have the most reliable Warp travel of Imperium.

I still think it's basically an inconsistency within the setting considering how vitally important any STC knowledge is considered by the whole of the priesthood.

 Mr Morden wrote:
"Supposed" to be - but if you read the fluff then many designs are unique to Forge Worlds and whilst Mars is the home and head of the Preisthood its going to have limitations due to distance and sheer power of some of the older Forgeworlds.

Let's also remember that, while younger adepts might see it as religious ritual, the elder members of the priesdthood do very well understand what makes technology tick. And if they don't they'll make damn sure to do so before approving and deploying it. You can't risk technology running rampant ever again.

Even having the design (STC readout or other blueprint) won't help if you don't have techpriests enough to study it and learn all the secrets. The priesthood on Mars has a lot to keep up with, so studying a design that is only built half a galaxy away might not be the highest priority. It could take half a century or longer before someone qualified even looks at the project, and ten times as long before he's written up the essential paperwork to have it approved for another forgeworld.

I could understand if it was some obscure piece of tech but this was the Vanquisher battle cannon. It's a gun in widespread use. Why wouldn't more than one Forgeworld know how to make it? Because the AdMech are a bunch of idiots who are more worried about pulling power trips than assuring their own survival.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I could understand if it was some obscure piece of tech but this was the Vanquisher battle cannon. It's a gun in widespread use. Why wouldn't more than one Forgeworld know how to make it? Because the AdMech are a bunch of idiots who are more worried about pulling power trips than assuring their own survival.

Yes but isn't that part of the setting?

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

The Mechanicum has its own factions and power groupings and not all knowledge is shared.

Every design is supposed to be sent to Mars. It defies credibility for Mars to not know about the Vanquisher cannon. For it to be lost with the fall of Forgeworld Tigrus requires Tigrus to have refused to share the secret with Mars and pretty much openly defy the leadership of the Adeptus Mechanicus. Which should have been a huge deal.

... or the information they sent to Mars was lost in the Warp. That kind of stuff happens.

It is not just the plans of the equipment that are required, but the knowledge and skills to make it, to make the tools to make the tools to male the equipment, to mix the raw materials correctly, to exactly calibrate every part of the process etc.

The ad mech would be best served forming a back up planet to act as mars mars back up data core. But that's too sensible.

Uber fortified and secret in a part of galexy few travel and less colonize. Few ad mech battleships etc hidden in secret docks, mountains conceal defense batteries, the planet made deadly as possible on surface.
Some dreath world hidden deep below the crust etc where they can store in secret man kinds future hope if the worst happens.

jhe90 wrote:
The ad mech would be best served forming a back up planet to act as mars mars back up data core. But that's too sensible.

Uber fortified and secret in a part of galexy few travel and less colonize. Few ad mech battleships etc hidden in secret docks, mountains conceal defense batteries, the planet made deadly as possible on surface.
Some dreath world hidden deep below the crust etc where they can store in secret man kinds future hope if the worst happens.

Because what we need is all of humanity's knowledge concentrated in one place, where a single heretic undercover could expose the entire operation and have a Black Crusade steaming toward it within a millennia.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I could understand if it was some obscure piece of tech but this was the Vanquisher battle cannon. It's a gun in widespread use. Why wouldn't more than one Forgeworld know how to make it? Because the AdMech are a bunch of idiots who are more worried about pulling power trips than assuring their own survival.

Wow, they sound almost like real humans

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

jhe90 wrote:
The ad mech would be best served forming a back up planet to act as mars mars back up data core. But that's too sensible.

Uber fortified and secret in a part of galexy few travel and less colonize. Few ad mech battleships etc hidden in secret docks, mountains conceal defense batteries, the planet made deadly as possible on surface.
Some dreath world hidden deep below the crust etc where they can store in secret man kinds future hope if the worst happens.

Because what we need is all of humanity's knowledge concentrated in one place, where a single heretic undercover could expose the entire operation and have a Black Crusade steaming toward it within a millennia.

The Black Library seems to be doing all right...

The Black library isn't defended by oomans.

It's also not in one location, so to speak.

It's much like the fabled "Avalon" where you could be in the right place - but unless you were WANTED to be there, you would never find it.

It seems the mechanicum cannot invent new stuff anymore, magos are all cybernetic creatures but some simple Tanks are too difficult too make.

It seems they can only make copies from tech they find in the STC (Standard Template Construct) devices.

The senior tech-adepts don't "full understand" the technology. They just have more frequent access to the databases.

Mars never deletes anything, but the truth is that the Martian archive is being constantly eaten by Scrapcode and has been ever since the Heresy. They can send as much info back as they like, there are even odds it'll be destroyed within months of arriving.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I could understand if it was some obscure piece of tech but this was the Vanquisher battle cannon. It's a gun in widespread use. Why wouldn't more than one Forgeworld know how to make it? Because the AdMech are a bunch of idiots who are more worried about pulling power trips than assuring their own survival.

Read this:

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Adeptus_Mechanicus

Skip down to the part where it explains "Why Everything is So Grimdark".

That tells you why the AdMech, and the Imperium, is the way that it is.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
It seems the mechanicum cannot invent new stuff anymore, magos are all cybernetic creatures but some simple Tanks are too difficult too make.

It seems they can only make copies from tech they find in the STC (Standard Template Construct) devices.

Maybe they could make new tech, but doing so would be heresy. All technology that is not derived from an STC is abomination in the eyes of the Mechanicum.
Now stop asking such heretical questions and go back to burning incense and singing prayers in order to get this tank working again

 Psienesis wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I could understand if it was some obscure piece of tech but this was the Vanquisher battle cannon. It's a gun in widespread use. Why wouldn't more than one Forgeworld know how to make it? Because the AdMech are a bunch of idiots who are more worried about pulling power trips than assuring their own survival.

Read this:

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Adeptus_Mechanicus

Skip down to the part where it explains "Why Everything is So Grimdark".

That tells you why the AdMech, and the Imperium, is the way that it is.

Yeah, but it doesn't explain why only one Forgeworld had these schematics unless somehow they were impossible to replicate. I would chalk it up to either a power trip or stupidity.

The techmarines get their parts from the c'tan shard of the void dragon; Mag'ladroth. If Mars was lost, then the techmarines would die.

 Pada wrote:
BA have baal predators when other SM dont
i think similar Mechanicus have their own "secrets" .Remeber that Imperium and Mechanicus are allies , not a single empire

Chapters of the Adeptus Astartes will also ally with specific Forge Worlds. Meaning that the Blood Angels are buddy-buddy with a nearby Forge World which in exchange for whatever the space vampires provide, the Forge World provides Baal Pattern Predators.

Yeah, but it doesn't explain why only one Forgeworld had these schematics unless somehow they were impossible to replicate. I would chalk it up to either a power trip or stupidity.

Because they have one Forge World with just the *exactly right* resources, forges and knowledge to create something. It's one thing to have a copy of the instructions sent to Mars, it is quite another thing entirely to send the "know how" to Mars in a state that can be stored or disseminated.

I don't buy into the whole lost knowledge thing. In my opinion, Imperium tehnology is advancing. It should be better than it was during the Great Crusade. Nothing drastic in the last 10,000 years, because Imperial society doesn't push for new advancement. But on an overall scale, it should be adapting and changing as the situations and needs calls for. The knowledge and technology a Space Marine Chapter holds, I think should be at the apex of martial prowess compared to the technology other military branches have. Strictly martial power though. They definitely won't beat other organizations on certain topics though. Like for instance, science and industry. That seat would go to the Priesthood of Mars.

I don't buy into the whole lost knowledge thing.

Your choice, but it's a boilerplate standard of the setting. These are tales of the End of Times.

It should be better than it was during the Great Crusade.

In some areas it is. In most areas, it is not.

Nothing drastic in the last 10,000 years, because Imperial society doesn't push for new advancement. But on an overall scale, it should be adapting and changing as the situations and needs calls for. The knowledge and technology a Space Marine Chapter holds, I think should be at the apex of martial prowess compared to the technology other military branches have. Strictly martial power though.

That isn't what the Space Marines are for. There are wars to fight and worlds to save. You don't have the luxury of time to sit back at the Chapter Forge and tinker with weapons designs, Marine.