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Now this is really concerning. I know it's a mix of circle/square but definitely has me worried.

Is this somebody's personal army on display or is it a official GW army?

The article didn't say but there's also Skaven, skull crushers & blightklings.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/05/wfb-9th-round-bases-coming-soon.html

I know some people don't like BOLS but since it's multiple armies I'm less inclined to believe it's a single person rebasing their stuff "Just in case".

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:
The article didn't say but there's also Skaven, skull crushers & blightklings.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/05/wfb-9th-round-bases-coming-soon.html

I know some people don't like BOLS but since it's multiple armies I'm less inclined to believe it's a single person rebasing their stuff "Just in case".

Note every skaven model was on a square base.. besides the war machine (Which war machines don't have a "defined" base or base size, so one with a round base isn't TOO special).

My personal opinion is that they were placed on round bases just because they look more aesthetically pleasing (You have to admit that they DO look a little better). Plus, even if it means Fantasy is switching over to some form of skirmish game, it coincides with the rumors that fantasy will have multiple play styles.

I wouldn't fret too much; just have to wait until 9th editions hits.

As mentioned in the news an rumors thread I am very excited at the possibility of cavalry moving over to the "Skitarii sniper" style oval base, as the other lizard man pictures showed.

Cavalry look amazing on those bases


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The interesting thing is we haven't seen any 20mm square based models moved to round bases yet. I wonder if that will happen or if the game will mix square and circle bases together?

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:
The article didn't say but there's also Skaven, skull crushers & blightklings.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/05/wfb-9th-round-bases-coming-soon.html

I know some people don't like BOLS but since it's multiple armies I'm less inclined to believe it's a single person rebasing their stuff "Just in case".

Nobody ever said that it was "a single person rebasing their stuff "just in case"." but rather that the shift was similar to why the GW Studio(which supplies all of the painted models for Warhammer World) had new models shifted to 32mm bases when possible:

It looks better to have the model with a bit of breathing room, not simply crowded onto the base. These models shown at Warhammer World aren't for playing games, they are there to display the models.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It looks better to have the model with a bit of breathing room, not simply crowded onto the base. These models shown at Warhammer World aren't for playing games, they are there to display the models.

Am I the only person who actually prefers the look of a ranked up regiment over a single dude standing out on his own? The blocks of models is half the reason I started WHFB over 40k way back in the mid 90's (the other half being the better rules, lol).

That lizardmen army on rounds just looks so much better in my eyes, to the point where I'm actually considering starting a small skirmish LM force (for 9th or a LotR mod). The Troglodon and Bastillodon are just beautiful on the oval bases. As Kanlunwen said, they have so much more room to 'breathe' on these bases!

Official? Possibly not. Compulsory for 9th? Unlikely. Looks a million times better? Oh yeah!

 Bottle wrote:
The interesting thing is we haven't seen any 20mm square based models moved to round bases yet. I wonder if that will happen or if the game will mix square and circle bases together?

Half of the skinks in that pic are on round bases, while the other half are on their original 20mm squares (and very poorly ranked up )

- Salvage

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
It looks better to have the model with a bit of breathing room, not simply crowded onto the base. These models shown at Warhammer World aren't for playing games, they are there to display the models.

Am I the only person who actually prefers the look of a ranked up regiment over a single dude standing out on his own? The blocks of models is half the reason I started WHFB over 40k way back in the mid 90's (the other half being the better rules, lol).

It's also the reason I stopped playing 40k, sold most of my 40k stuff, and picked up fantasy haha.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
It looks better to have the model with a bit of breathing room, not simply crowded onto the base. These models shown at Warhammer World aren't for playing games, they are there to display the models.

Am I the only person who actually prefers the look of a ranked up regiment over a single dude standing out on his own? The blocks of models is half the reason I started WHFB over 40k way back in the mid 90's (the other half being the better rules, lol).

You're not alone in the least bit, but personally I prefer to see things with a bit of room on the bases.

If a model looks too crowded onto the base, with parts of it hanging off it bothers me a bit. It makes the first thing in my mind regarding the model be that "it wasn't properly designed for that base" and it keeps chewing away at that nitpicky, OCD part of my brain like my Golden Retriever and the couch.

You could make the argument that square vs round bases makes no difference once you get models into a movement tray.

We've seen people online claim the round bases are just for modeling/display purposes, others claim WHFB is going skirmish or will have a skirmish element to it.

Truth of the matter is, we don't know. The only thing that will matter will be the rule set.

 Boss Salvage wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
The interesting thing is we haven't seen any 20mm square based models moved to round bases yet. I wonder if that will happen or if the game will mix square and circle bases together?

Half of the skinks in that pic are on round bases, while the other half are on their original 20mm squares (and very poorly ranked up )

- Salvage

I stand corrected. :-)

And looking at it again I think the Saurus are on 32mm and the skinks on 25mm. Looks great imo

The round bases do look quite nice for the large monsters.

The skirmishers on the round bases look like most infantry in 40k, though. A jumbled together mess.

New bases look great, imho. While hell will freeze over before I rebase my 100+ skeleton models, I'm certainly intrigued at the thought of showcasing my more elite models on better bases.

(I also magnetized my highly-converted vampire lords to their bases, just in case).

However, I'm really not sure what these models mean for the game going forward. Could be that these are only there for the "skirmish variant." Could be that they're just there for looks.

Or, it could be that changes will be made to make base sizes irrelevant altogether. The only reason base sizes really matter now is for determining which models are in base contact, given that attacks are allocated and determined that way. If attacks are allocated in some other manner (some objective rule, based on facing and number of units in combat for instance) then it really doesn't matter save to determine your footprint size.


That said, there is NO WAY that round bases will be mandatory assuming any sort of mass-battle variant remains in the new edition (which I 100% believe there will be). It's simply too cumbersome to move the 100+ models required for most armies one by one.

My guess is it's going to be like 40k does if they decide to use round based from now on. You use whatever they came on, and that's that. I'm fine with either, the large models at least look really nice on the round bases, nice seeing Temple Guard on some big bases like that, they look good, and for all we know, they just did it for aesthetics, which would be fine honestly. They look nice

Depending on how the game changes, round bases on LOTR trays versus square bases on standard trays may be functionally equivalent.

I'm hoping mass battles introduces the LOTR style movement trays for round bases. I'm 100% sold on round bases now, but enjoy the big blocks from time to time and think minis formed up in those slot style movement trays will look great.

I think any aesthetic benefit you might gain going to round bases is lost when you put them on movement trays. For some reason I'm just not a fan of the look of round bases on movement trays, would rather just have square bases to begin with.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I think any aesthetic benefit you might gain going to round bases is lost when you put them on movement trays. For some reason I'm just not a fan of the look of round bases on movement trays, would rather just have square bases to begin with.

Even round bases in trays with round slots? For me that still looks great, plus you get added benefits: the increased size of the base plus the fact that circle bases can rotate in the slot means regiments will rank up a lot better than the current square bases that are frankly too small.

 Bottle wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I think any aesthetic benefit you might gain going to round bases is lost when you put them on movement trays. For some reason I'm just not a fan of the look of round bases on movement trays, would rather just have square bases to begin with.

Even round bases in trays with round slots? For me that still looks great, plus you get added benefits: the increased size of the base plus the fact that circle bases can rotate in the slot means regiments will rank up a lot better than the current square bases that are frankly too small.

You mean like War of the Ring? Nah, I still prefer square bases to that. War of the Ring models don't look regimented, they look like a skirmish unit that has for some reason decided to position themselves with a rigidly equal spacing.

I just like the regimented look. Even though you might not have thousands of models, it looks like an actual army when they're ranked up.

But I don't disagree the fact so many models don't rank up because they're too big for their base is stupid and absurd. It started around 6th edition when GW decided to start embiggening all their models to the point where they wouldn't fit on their bases any more. When I started in 5th edition I don't remember any units (at least in the armies I collected) that didn't rank up because they tended to all fit within the bounds of their bases. 6th edition it seemed like every model grew 3 to 5mm but the bases all stayed the same size.

Given GW's current penchant for producing a particular size of injection-moulded plastic base for every monster, war machine or small vehicle they put out, these days, would it be a huge leap for them to put minis that are busting out of their 20mm bases on 25mm bases, and make new square 30mm bases (or 32mm, or 31.58mm, or whatever random number catches their fancy) for those that have trouble ranking up on 25mm bases?

Might work better than planting round bases in spaced-out movement tray rows, like a handful of tomato plants in a grow bag. Especially if the rumours of 'Warhammer Classic' - and it's obsession with individual models and their precise placement - hanging around are true. Could make things difficult if you put your 110mm tray of about... six 32mm-round-based saurus, say, against another guy's traditionally-based 125mm block of twenty.

But I'm sure the aesthetics will be totally brilliant as your hamstrung units get squashed.

 Vermis wrote:
Given GW's current penchant for producing a particular size of injection-moulded plastic base for every monster, war machine or small vehicle they put out, these days, would it be a huge leap for them to put minis that are busting out of their 20mm bases on 25mm bases, and make new square 30mm bases (or 32mm, or 31.58mm, or whatever random number catches their fancy) for those that have trouble ranking up on 25mm bases?

I just wish they never grew the damned models to be so large. I don't really want units to have larger footprints due to increasing from 20/25 to 25/30, I just want the models to fit on 20/25 bases like they used to. The 5th ed Bretonnian Knights, for example, rank up perfectly well. The 6th edition ones, the nose of one horse is up the backside of the horse in front of it... who on earth approved that choice?

The other problem being that changes in base size in WHFB are a big deal, unlike 40k where for the most part it doesn't matter. Unless they change the rules so that units are abstracted to amorphous masses rather than collections of invidual troops so that the models are simply aesthetic and their presence or absence doesn't actually affect the game.

Minimising frontage on weak units and optimising the number of models in the front rank of strong units means you have to be stricter about base size requirements than 40k.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

The other problem being that changes in base size in WHFB are a big deal, unlike 40k where for the most part it doesn't matter. Unless they change the rules so that units are abstracted to amorphous masses rather than collections of invidual troops so that the models are simply aesthetic and their presence or absence doesn't actually affect the game.

I think this would be the best solution quire honestly. Either go KoW route where the whole unit is one element, or the historical/WotR route where you build units from smaller, multi-based elements. Not only does this solve a lot of ranking issues, and minimise the need for stopping to make sure everyone is lined up perfectly/check model-by-model who is in combat, but it opens up a lot more aesthetic options, so people like you can have your neat regiments and people like me can have our looser formations on round bases and we can both be happy!

If we both have, say, 4 elements of equal footprint in a unit, then it doesn't matter whether your guys line up perfectly or that mine are based 3-to-a-base rather than 5, and there are only a few things to check to determine who is in range or in combat ect.

The reason I am doubting GW will take this route, though, is that by basing the system on elements, you can technically get away with less minis per unit space, whereas right now, if you want a block of 40 minis you need 40, and you're out of luck if you have 38 or 39.

Some of you say you like blocks of troops better, but what if they change template weapons to work like 40k? Where however many they hit is how many wounds you take. I imagine spreading them out to the max is going to be more beneficial.

Don't template weapons already work like in 40k when it comes to wounding?

hmm seems like there's a bit of confusion here.
fantasy HAS NOT moved to round bases, according to people who attended the re-opening of warhammer world in nottingham, the designers have said that the round bases are for SHOW NOT GAMING and that fantasy will not be switching to round bases.
apparently a few armies (lizardmen, brettonia and all the elves) are due some BIG changes, but they will be continued to be supported for a while in their current format.
these are not my words, before I get any hate, just what I have read from other sources, take from it what you will, a pinch of salt is advised.
I personally don't believe the bit about the changes to the armies otherwise why would they have just put up a new lizardman display if they are due to get overhauled or combined into another army (supposedly skaven).

What Glasdir said. I posted some new info I had in the WHFB rumor thread.

 Glasdir wrote:

apparently a few armies (lizardmen, brettonia and all the elves) are due some BIG changes, but they will be continued to be supported for a while in their current format.

I do not find this even remotely comforting.

GW employees are ANYTHING but honest when it comes to this sort of stuff. They said the same of the 32mm bases that started showing up in some Space Marine releases- that it was just a little thing they were doing and not necessarily indicative of future 40k releases. Fast forward to now, and every re-done Necron and Space Marine release comes with them.

I'm not yet entirely positive that everything is moving to round bases, but I'm getting more confident by the day that this will happen. The original rumormongers of 9th (Harry in particular) cites that things were moving to round bases. And I believe that much more than I believe the drones at Nottingham.