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this has been bugging me for a while, and maybe the ork denizens of dakka dakka might bring some logic to gws apparent madness.

why in the world was the flashgitz eavy armour replaced by the bosspole.
did the "genius" who invented bosspoles think this wargear was so amazing that it just had to be on every flashgit ever, but he couldnt increase their price to include the bosspole, so he had to remove wargear...those gitfindas are too signature to the gitz, maybe those snazz gunz,wait, same issue....what else can i replace...you know what, those very posh ork nobz who prize themselves with all the stuff they own probably wouldnt have eavy armour, because armour is "obviously" the symbol of poverty of ork society.
heck i cant even make a hypothetical conversation of a gw designer make sense for this change.

having that many bosspoles is the epitome of redundancy, you only need one bosspole! why cant a flashgit afford the shiniest armour around! the new models that are supposed to encourage sales even have armour on them.

so tell me, does this make sense, am i just not seeing the bigger picture here?

We'z don need no stinkin' armour! Wiv got da bestest guns!

Simple answer: GW are a bunch of fething idiots.

Complex Answer: GW are a bunch of fething idiots.

When confused by GW decisions, remember the USR "missile lock"

During 6th, only one model had the rule but it's weapons couldn't use the rule.

Even so they FAQ'd the rule off of that model.

Then 7th came and the model was still the only one with the rule for the longest time ( I haven't paid attention in recent months and don't know for sure)

But the FAQ still remained that removed the rule from the model, even though the new wording allowed the model to actually use the rules.

Now I know a lot of people would be willing to over look this. But it still makes me wonder. When they made the 6th ed rules, did they honestly have no clue what models would be made during the edition that would use the rules? Did they have any in mind at all? Why was one model released with rules that didn't match and then FAQ'd to completely ignore it?

It may be something small, but it's enough for me to look at the rule book and know it is proof that either they don't care or people that make the rules have no idea what game they are writing for.

They do not take armour because they recognise Marneus Calgar as their spiritual liege and are disappointed that they can never be an Ultrasmurf.

The real reason: Someone who doesn't really play orks wrote the last codex based on a game they played against them and barely remember from several months ago, hence its strange nerfs/buffs.

the supreme Irony is that a lot of people think they needlessly buff certain units to make sure they sell really well.....except the Orkanauts.........yeah

I bet they meant to put eavy armor on them, but highlighted the wrong wargear line and well...GW doesn't fix anything once it goes out the door!

Flash Gitz need so much... They need

- A points drop
- A different standard gun with the ability to upgrade to the Snazz Gun.
- Gitfinda needs to be able to work when moving in vehicles specifically.

I want to see a Ork list with multiple Trukks or Wagons filled w/ Gitz causing terror.

the best way to avoid the death of my gitz (since all they had was tshirt saves now) was putting them in warkoptas. while the vehicle can jink the occupants arent forced to snapshoot unless the vehicle goes faster than 6 inches. so if they are in range the warkoptas can just jink while the flashgitz rain down death. i think this also has the potential to look realy cool. design some custom warkkoptas to look like spacecraft and you now have flashgitz flying around on their boarding craft. or make looted darkeldar transports and have your ork space pirates.

geargutz wrote:
the best way to avoid the death of my gitz (since all they had was tshirt saves now) was putting them in warkoptas. while the vehicle can jink the occupants arent forced to snapshoot unless the vehicle goes faster than 6 inches. so if they are in range the warkoptas can just jink while the flashgitz rain down death. i think this also has the potential to look realy cool. design some custom warkkoptas to look like spacecraft and you now have flashgitz flying around on their boarding craft. or make looted darkeldar transports and have your ork space pirates.

That's pretty ballsy. Warkoptas are made of literal paper, even a list without dedicated AA can (usually) turn enough ground based auto-cannons on it to bring it down in a single turn, and with dedicated AA.. Well...

Unless you're not actually having the thing fly that just screams death sentence to me. Having upwards of 200 points worth of gitz in such a flimsy carrier.

I honestly think they made the new flash gitz models with bosspoles before the even wrote the new codex rules.

Because there's no way anyone could see any point in having 10 bosspoles in a group.

I personally feel as if flash gitz would be pretty good if they either had 36" range or 4+ armor.

But even if flash gitz had decent armor, their range is so short they're always on the move, which means that in my experience, they almost NEVER get to utilize their gitfindas.

Even if they made the weapons salvo, but gave it better range, I'd be ok with that. Because, honestly, assaulting with flash gitz is an absolute last resort.

But even as they are now, flash gitz aren't awful. It's a whole lot of str 5 shots with 50/50 odds of being AP3. Put em in a battlewagon with a killkannon and it's a decently effective (though expensive) little gunboat.

They did WHAT?!?! *goes and takes a closer look at Ork Codex* The FRELL??? THE FRELL???? *leans out window* 'Ey Boyz! Get in da Krooza, we'z gots a target for the Waaagh!!

Seriously, i hadnt even noticed that and the worst part is they only dropped them 3 points IIRC. By Mork...way to kill my Flash Gitz. Take my Cybork Body and then you have the balls to take my "Eavy Armor???

Thats it, its Death Rolla Blitzkrieg time.

 Grimmor wrote:
Thats it, its Death Rolla Blitzkrieg time.

Deff Rollas got nerfed too. They will only take wounds if they fail a Death or Glory attack.

 the Signless wrote:

 Grimmor wrote:
Thats it, its Death Rolla Blitzkrieg time.

Deff Rollas got nerfed too. They will only take wounds if they fail a Death or Glory attack.

I know, dont care. FEAR MY COMBINES!!!!!

For now if you want your gitz to move and still use a git finder then you put in an IC with mega armour into the unit so that they are considered stationary even when moving.

 ProwlerPC wrote:
For now if you want your gitz to move and still use a git finder then you put in an IC with mega armour into the unit so that they are considered stationary even when moving.

Doesn't work that way.

I can't remember the exact wording, but basically Gitfindas aren't a gun so don't text for whether you "count as not moving" or not - they just care whether or not you moved.

 morganfreeman wrote:

 ProwlerPC wrote:
For now if you want your gitz to move and still use a git finder then you put in an IC with mega armour into the unit so that they are considered stationary even when moving.

Doesn't work that way.

I can't remember the exact wording, but basically Gitfindas aren't a gun so don't text for whether you "count as not moving" or not - they just care whether or not you moved.

Its the wording of the actual gitfindas, it specifically states if you didnt move in the movement phase.

Regardless, even if they kept them the exact same price and gave them that 4+ save, they would still be over priced for what they can do and undeniably squishy, how much AP4 is in this game now?

The real concern is having saves against basic troops, as quite a few armies have Armour Piercing 5 on their standard infantry weapons.

JinxDragon wrote:
The real concern is having saves against basic troops, as quite a few armies have Armour Piercing 5 on their standard infantry weapons.

Also better saves against explosions. You've never wanted to field gits on foot and have them just hang out, a party wagon has always been the best idea. 4+ armor was pretty pivotal in mitigating the damage of a strength 3 explosion. Now it's been bumped upto str4.. And they've been bumped down to t-shirts.

You do the math.

Oh, the 4+ also made gits pretty terrifying at mopping up via assault. That many dakka-dakka-dakka shots at close range could mulch a lot of squads, and then having what is effectively 10 nobz charging to provide 30-40 str 4 WS4 attacks at initiative.. Well, not much would survive.

 morganfreeman wrote:

JinxDragon wrote:
The real concern is having saves against basic troops, as quite a few armies have Armour Piercing 5 on their standard infantry weapons.

Also better saves against explosions. You've never wanted to field gits on foot and have them just hang out, a party wagon has always been the best idea. 4+ armor was pretty pivotal in mitigating the damage of a strength 3 explosion. Now it's been bumped upto str4.. And they've been bumped down to t-shirts.

You do the math.

Oh, the 4+ also made gits pretty terrifying at mopping up via assault. That many dakka-dakka-dakka shots at close range could mulch a lot of squads, and then having what is effectively 10 nobz charging to provide 30-40 str 4 WS4 attacks at initiative.. Well, not much would survive.

Actually, S5 WS4 you forgot about Furious Charge.

If you think about them compared to regular Nobz they are CHEAP! I mean a regular nob is 18pts a model where as gitz are only 22pts, which means that these guys are paying 4 pts for gitfindas, bosspoles AND Snazz Gunz. Of course then you factor in the fact that with a Range of 24in the Gitfindas are useless because the Flash Gitz are going to have to be moving EVERY turn, or they are in a BattleWagon and still count as having moved. And then theres the fact that you don't need Bosspoles ever because "Common sense" you realistically only need 1 in the squad. But then theres the Snazz gunz, WHICH ARE AWESOME....except when they roll AP values of 4+ because with BS2 only 10 shots out of 30 are going to hit and then about 6-7 are actually going to wound. you quickly realize your paying way to many points for no real advantage.



Quick ways to fix these guys to make them playable. These don't ALL have to be taken these are just a bunch of different suggestions.

1: Snazz Gunz are Rng 36. This mitigates the uselessness of Git Findas and gives the Flash gitz a chance to at least become a stationary fire point.
2: Git Findas Work regardless of whether or not you moved. This mitigates the range issue with Snazz Gunz
3: 5 point reduction in price for ALL nobz, So Flash gitz become 17pts instead of 22.
4: Flash Gitz come standard with Eavy Armor (which realistically was probably left out because they didn't bother to proof read the idiots who wrote the ork codex).
5: Flash Gitz come in a BW for Free but you still pay for the upgrades.

 Ghazkuul wrote:
Simple answer: GW are a bunch of fething idiots.

Complex Answer: GW are a bunch of fething idiots.

^
Pretty much. They are so out of touch with their own product, its not even funny.

Guys: I think we need to remember something here. A nob with a power Klaw is 43 points.

A meganob with 2+ armor and twin linked shoota is 40 points.

You have to keep that in perspective when you consider how slowed the ork codex currently is. A model pays -3 points for 2+ armor as opposed to basically NO armor.

the_scotsman wrote:
Guys: I think we need to remember something here. A nob with a power Klaw is 43 points.

A meganob with 2+ armor and twin linked shoota is 40 points.

You have to keep that in perspective when you consider how slowed the ork codex currently is. A model pays -3 points for 2+ armor as opposed to basically NO armor.

Translation, The guy/girl/group of idiots who wrote the Ork codex did so while blitzed on drugs and Zimas.

 Ghazkuul wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Guys: I think we need to remember something here. A nob with a power Klaw is 43 points.

A meganob with 2+ armor and twin linked shoota is 40 points.

You have to keep that in perspective when you consider how slowed the ork codex currently is. A model pays -3 points for 2+ armor as opposed to basically NO armor.

Translation, The guy/girl/group of idiots who wrote the Ork codex did so while blitzed on drugs and Zimas.

Power Klaws are like, really heavy man, and they can break 2+ saves. They should be like, way more expensive

*Snorts a ground up finecast miniature*

True fact* - Finecast is actually derived from cocaine, which is why it was so expensive

*May not actually be true, and may actually have been made up by someone with a Lustria sized axe to grind

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Ghazkuul wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Guys: I think we need to remember something here. A nob with a power Klaw is 43 points.

A meganob with 2+ armor and twin linked shoota is 40 points.

You have to keep that in perspective when you consider how slowed the ork codex currently is. A model pays -3 points for 2+ armor as opposed to basically NO armor.

Translation, The guy/girl/group of idiots who wrote the Ork codex did so while blitzed on drugs and Zimas.

Power Klaws are like, really heavy man, and they can break 2+ saves. They should be like, way more expensive

*Snorts a ground up finecast miniature*

True fact* - Finecast is actually derived from cocaine, which is why it was so expensive

*May not actually be true, and may actually have been made up by someone with a Lustria sized axe to grind

*stands slack jawed* My god it all makes sense now.....

And i didnt even realize that Meganobs are cheaper than PK Nobz. More proff that GW is frelling idiotic

Nobz in general are over priced by about 5-10pts. PKs are over priced by about 5-10pts and Meganobz need an invul

It's lore like "durr Da same rulez gots to cost Da samez!"

 Ghazkuul wrote:
Nobz in general are over priced by about 5-10pts. PKs are over priced by about 5-10pts and Meganobz need an invul

Amen. We asked for Painbosses so we could put cybork body on Meganobz. They give us the Painboss but make Cybork Body useless. God i hate GW some days.

this is why most of my models are made form toys and such, i wont seriously buy gw models unless theyre serious about making worthwhile rulz, but in my fantasy gw would give a damn about my opinion.

geargutz wrote:
this is why most of my models are made form toys and such, i wont seriously buy gw models unless theyre serious about making worthwhile rulz, but in my fantasy gw would give a damn about my opinion.

I EBAY or Dakka it up. And If I ever Find a website that sells Boot leg models, I will have ZERO qualms about buying from them so long as they are good replicas. I'll do my part to help GW's Business plan Fail