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Horst wrote:This is how trolling happens. A few cheeky posts are made. Then they get more insulting. Eventually, we revert to our primal animal state, hurling feces at each other while shreeking with glee.
I would unhesitatingly shoot someone I found hiding in my daughter's bedroom at 1 o'clock on a Sunday morning, especially if he was a man and I was a woman and had young children in tow.
Krellnus wrote: Apparently the ability to ask questions is lost when in possession of firearms.
No you have it all wrong, it's shoot first, hire necromancer, raise zombie, ask questions, prosecute zombie for wanting to eat brains, burn necromancer.
"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
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Krellnus wrote: Apparently the ability to ask questions is lost when in possession of firearms.
At this point, there is no need to ask a question. This every action, as a woman with 2 children to protect is 100% within the limits of the law and self defense. If she has spoken, given him a chance to over power her that could have been a tragedy, as of now its just fuel for liberals. If she would have allowed him to run, then shot him, that would be illegal. Grown man hiding in childrens bedroom, yep unlikely he was up to anything good.
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Kilkrazy wrote: I would unhesitatingly shoot someone I found hiding in my daughter's bedroom at 1 o'clock on a Sunday morning, especially if he was a man and I was a woman and had young children in tow.
ugh we agree on something it is the end of the world.
As it goes I don't care if it was Santa Clause, if you are in my children's room and I don't know you and you have no reason to be there, all my questions will be asked with a 9mm bullet.
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
I'm what an American would call a liberal (in fact I'm a Liberal in UK political terms) and I fully endorse this shooting.
Although not having a gun apart from a couple of air pistols I would use a rounders bat or something to whack any intruder I found in my house in the middle of the night.
Kilkrazy wrote: I would unhesitatingly shoot someone I found hiding in my daughter's bedroom at 1 o'clock on a Sunday morning, especially if he was a man and I was a woman and had young children in tow.
ugh we agree on something it is the end of the world.
As it goes I don't care if it was Santa Clause, if you are in my children's room and I don't know you and you have no reason to be there, all my questions will be asked with a 9mm bullet.
right now it looks like we are all in agreement. Check for openings in the warp.
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Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote: I don't own a gun, but I'm pretty sure a baseball hat to the skull would do the trick. Can't see what's the issue with this, to be honest.
hat or bat? since don't see a hat doing much unless a batters helmet.
the problem is liberals would rather the intruder do harm before being stopped and sometimes that is not even the case here in California like the guy in Ontario,Ca. had his house broken into and was severely beaten up then shot one of the intruders, he was charged.
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
Article is sketchy on details, but he might have been robbing the place, heard them come back, dived into a cupboard to hide...
Still, I understand why the woman opened fire, though...
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Kilkrazy wrote: I'm what an American would call a liberal (in fact I'm a Liberal in UK political terms) and I fully endorse this shooting.
Although not having a gun apart from a couple of air pistols I would use a rounders bat or something to whack any intruder I found in my house in the middle of the night.
you are a lenient liberal.
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
Kilkrazy wrote: I would unhesitatingly shoot someone I found hiding in my daughter's bedroom at 1 o'clock on a Sunday morning, especially if he was a man and I was a woman and had young children in tow.
Seriously though, I would have thought 'challenging' the situation first would have been safer and fairer. Otherwise there could be a number of situations that result in an accidental fatality. For example
Mother and children go out;
Father downstairs smells gas
Calls plumber
Plumber needs to check boiler in childs room
Mother returns but doesn't speak to husband (fell asleep on the sofa whilst watching football)
Mother goes upstairs and shoots the plumber.
There's always a number of possibilities and if you are suspicious then the best option is to leave the house and call the police. If the other person had a weapon as well then the situation could get worse pretty quickly and you are putting your children in even more harms way. It's not about liberalism it's about risk. By pulling the gun you are taking the risk that the other doesn't have a gun, or are a worse shot. If either of these are true (quite possible if it is a career criminal say) then you can actually make the situation much worse.
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"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
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No calling the police, no threatening aim gun til police arrive nothing just go in and shoot.
Also if she is just getting home at 1am with 2 kids while walking around with a gun something is up. I say give it a week and find out she just murdered this guy.
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Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote: I don't own a gun, but I'm pretty sure a baseball hat to the skull would do the trick. Can't see what's the issue with this, to be honest.
hat or bat? since don't see a hat doing much unless a batters helmet.
the problem is liberals would rather the intruder do harm before being stopped and sometimes that is not even the case here in California like the guy in Ontario,Ca. had his house broken into and was severely beaten up then shot one of the intruders, he was charged.
Yeah i meant bat (edited the first post)
I am rather liberal but once it comes to my lil' one, I would turn Khornate in a second - I will face jail if need be, if it can prevent him from taking a scratch.
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Kilkrazy wrote: I would unhesitatingly shoot someone I found hiding in my daughter's bedroom at 1 o'clock on a Sunday morning, especially if he was a man and I was a woman and had young children in tow.
Seriously though, I would have thought 'challenging' the situation first would have been safer and fairer. Otherwise there could be a number of situations that result in an accidental fatality. For example
Mother and children go out;
Father downstairs smells gas
Calls plumber
Plumber needs to check boiler in childs room
Mother returns but doesn't speak to husband (fell asleep on the sofa whilst watching football)
Mother goes upstairs and shoots the plumber.
There's always a number of possibilities and if you are suspicious then the best option is to leave the house and call the police. If the other person had a weapon as well then the situation could get worse pretty quickly and you are putting your children in even more harms way.
boiler in child's room? that is a violation of so many codes there, there is no reason for anyone to be in a child's room.
also why would a plumber be called for a gas leak ?
Kilkrazy wrote: In order to maintain the balance of the universe, here is a story of a six year old shooting his four year old brother.
No calling the police, no threatening aim gun til police arrive nothing just go in and shoot.
Also if she is just getting home at 1am with 2 kids while walking around with a gun something is up. I say give it a week and find out she just murdered this guy.
around here the Police do not respond same day, hell awhile back police chief even said the police will not respond to burglar alarms. also people do work late and at nights around here.
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Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
Kilkrazy wrote: I would unhesitatingly shoot someone I found hiding in my daughter's bedroom at 1 o'clock on a Sunday morning, especially if he was a man and I was a woman and had young children in tow.
Seriously though, I would have thought 'challenging' the situation first would have been safer and fairer. Otherwise there could be a number of situations that result in an accidental fatality. For example
Mother and children go out;
Father downstairs smells gas
Calls plumber
Plumber needs to check boiler in childs room
Mother returns but doesn't speak to husband (fell asleep on the sofa whilst watching football)
Mother goes upstairs and shoots the plumber.
There's always a number of possibilities and if you are suspicious then the best option is to leave the house and call the police. If the other person had a weapon as well then the situation could get worse pretty quickly and you are putting your children in even more harms way.
boiler in child's room? that is a violation of so many codes there, there is no reason for anyone to be in a child's room.
also why would a plumber be called for a gas leak ?
Because why not? There really is no *sane* justification for an unknown adult to be in a child's bedroom at 1:45am, so why not go with that one?
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"Let them that are happy talk of piety; we that would work our adversary must take no account of laws."http://back2basing.blogspot.pt/
Kilkrazy wrote: I would unhesitatingly shoot someone I found hiding in my daughter's bedroom at 1 o'clock on a Sunday morning, especially if he was a man and I was a woman and had young children in tow.
Seriously though, I would have thought 'challenging' the situation first would have been safer and fairer. Otherwise there could be a number of situations that result in an accidental fatality. For example
Mother and children go out;
Father downstairs smells gas
Calls plumber
Plumber needs to check boiler in childs room
Mother returns but doesn't speak to husband (fell asleep on the sofa whilst watching football)
Mother goes upstairs and shoots the plumber.
There's always a number of possibilities and if you are suspicious then the best option is to leave the house and call the police. If the other person had a weapon as well then the situation could get worse pretty quickly and you are putting your children in even more harms way. It's not about liberalism it's about risk. By pulling the gun you are taking the risk that the other doesn't have a gun, or are a worse shot. If either of these are true (quite possible if it is a career criminal say) then you can actually make the situation much worse.
That may make sense in other countries, However it is, and always has been the responsibility of citizens to protect their own homes in America. First responders are actually not, they are second responders. First responders are the personnel involved in the incident. You are either a victim or not. If you choose to be a victim, then you get the victim treatment in your own home.
As said before, there is zero reason for anyone to be in a childs room in the middle of the night. Not sure if Oregon has a Castle Law, but in most states, this would result in zero liability or charges on the homeowner/mother.
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No calling the police, no threatening aim gun til police arrive nothing just go in and shoot.
Also if she is just getting home at 1am with 2 kids while walking around with a gun something is up. I say give it a week and find out she just murdered this guy.
Kinda buying into this idea, myself...
If armed robbers burst into your house, then by all means start shooting back at them...
But if you come across a robber with your TV under his arm, and you're the one pointing the gun, is shooting justified? For a TV or something? I honestly don't know. Not every situation allows you to phone 999 and let the police handle it, but, until the facts come out, who knows...
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jreilly89 wrote: This still seems rather sketchy. Sure, I understand the point of protecting your children, but I have some points.
1) The man was 59 years old. A bit for old robbery, eh? Possible Alzheimer's?
2) She returned home with her 5 year old and 10 year old at 1:45 A.M. A bit late for children to be out. Seems odd
you would be surprised how old thieves and robbers are these days, they range from kids to senior citizens,
Also mom and kids could have been returning from a long drive to visit family, or she was bringing them back from babysitter after working, there are many reasons and yet no reason for an intruder to be in her kids bedroom.
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
boiler in child's room? that is a violation of so many codes there, there is no reason for anyone to be in a child's room.
also why would a plumber be called for a gas leak ?
Not in the UK if it meets regulations (or it could be backing onto pipes for example).
Yeah a lot of plumbers deal with both gas and water in the UK if they are registered (replace plumber with gas person if that helps)
But regardless it was meant as an example I'm sure there are plenty of other things that could happen (water leak for example). Admittedly it sounds suspicious but I don't know how normal it is in the US to walk round with a loaded hand gun in the handbag.
"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
I don't think anyone is going to stop to ask an intruder for some ID including proof of DOB in the middle of the night. Nor does keeping your children up late entitle people to break in.
If it's Alzheimers, or perhaps a mental illness, I'm sorry to say that it's just hard cheese for the guy. I wouldn't be glad to have shot him when I found out, but if I'm scared and protecting my child(ren) in the middle of the night against a hidden intruder who suddenly appears I'm not going to hang around for a health check.
No calling the police, no threatening aim gun til police arrive nothing just go in and shoot.
Also if she is just getting home at 1am with 2 kids while walking around with a gun something is up. I say give it a week and find out she just murdered this guy.
Kinda buying into this idea, myself...
If armed robbers burst into your house, then by all means start shooting back at them...
But if you come across a robber with your TV under his arm, and you're the one pointing the gun, is shooting justified? For a TV or something? I honestly don't know. Not every situation allows you to phone 999 and let the police handle it, but, until the facts come out, who knows...
It is murder if you come home, find an unarmed robber attempting to flee with your stuff and shoot him, yes. anyone attempting to disengage, who has not shown you they are danger could bite you if you kill them. Intruder in childs bedroom, assuming the news report is how the situation played out, is not murder it is self defense or defense of ones children. The possibilities of what could have happened if she had not noticed the intruder, far outweight the hypotheticals you could be coming up with IMO.
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boiler in child's room? that is a violation of so many codes there, there is no reason for anyone to be in a child's room.
also why would a plumber be called for a gas leak ?
Not in the UK if it meets regulations (or it could be backing onto pipes for example).
Yeah a lot of plumbers deal with both gas and water in the UK if they are registered (replace plumber with gas person if that helps)
But regardless it was meant as an example I'm sure there are plenty of other things that could happen (water leak for example). Admittedly it sounds suspicious but I don't know how normal it is in the US to walk round with a loaded hand gun in the handbag.
In Washington, think their laws are more relaxed then say here in California and if you are with your two kids and a woman alone, better armed then not.
also British laws are very lax when it comes to gas pipes and such, also in California, if there is a gas leak the fire department is called along with the local gas company.
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
boiler in child's room? that is a violation of so many codes there, there is no reason for anyone to be in a child's room.
also why would a plumber be called for a gas leak ?
Not in the UK if it meets regulations (or it could be backing onto pipes for example).
Yeah a lot of plumbers deal with both gas and water in the UK if they are registered (replace plumber with gas person if that helps)
But regardless it was meant as an example I'm sure there are plenty of other things that could happen (water leak for example). Admittedly it sounds suspicious but I don't know how normal it is in the US to walk round with a loaded hand gun in the handbag.
Both legal and gaining in popularity as many Americans are learning that protecting yourself is your responsibility and no one elses. There are classes and registration to be filed to carry, but if she had it in her purse legally, then she was good to go. Even if she didn't, as soon as she walked in her house she became legal again, as long as she doesn't admit she was carrying it outside of the house.
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No calling the police, no threatening aim gun til police arrive nothing just go in and shoot.
Also if she is just getting home at 1am with 2 kids while walking around with a gun something is up. I say give it a week and find out she just murdered this guy.
Kinda buying into this idea, myself...
If armed robbers burst into your house, then by all means start shooting back at them...
But if you come across a robber with your TV under his arm, and you're the one pointing the gun, is shooting justified? For a TV or something? I honestly don't know. Not every situation allows you to phone 999 and let the police handle it, but, until the facts come out, who knows...
It is murder if you come home, find an unarmed robber attempting to flee with your stuff and shoot him, yes. anyone attempting to disengage, who has not shown you they are danger could bite you if you kill them. Intruder in childs bedroom, assuming the news report is how the situation played out, is not murder it is self defense or defense of ones children. The possibilities of what could have happened if she had not noticed the intruder, far outweight the hypotheticals you could be coming up with IMO.
I understand and appreciate the argument that for some Americans in remote locations, the nearest police station could be hours away, and who wants to be pointing a gun at an intruder for 2-3 hours? Not me...
I think this is a grey area, here...
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