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In all the codexes/indexes, what single model that isn't an HQ or a Lord of War is the most dangerous killy thing?

Jetbike Custodes Captain takes the cake due to overall independence. Slamguinus is good but he requires too many CP to really be a top runner.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Jetbike Custodes Captain takes the cake due to overall independence. Slamguinus is good but he requires too many CP to really be a top runner.

Those are both HQs

well for pure dangerous killy factor I'm gonna suggest Murder fang. he's a pretty dangerous close support dreadnought, with the added benifits of being a character.

Well, no costs considered, a land raider is a good candidate.

Leviathan dreadnought?

6 mars dakkabots or 6 stygies dragoons.

Powerful in what aspect? Firepower? Melee ability? Resilience?

The Repulsor comes to mind, especially in the Deathwatch codex as there are a couple of strats that can really make it scary.

Transcendant C'tan can be pretty dangerous. It's just really expensive.

Are you looking for just killy power, killy/survivability or cost efficiency?

It says right in the OP that they're looking for "dangerous killy" so I imagine that those are the primary criteria.

I think masterhobo has the right idea with the Leviathan Dreadnought. It has a few different loadout options that allow you to specialize in what you're targeting, but whatever you target is going to get destroyed.

I feel like taking away LoW and HQ the next most powerful unit would have to be one of the flyers.

 Arachnofiend wrote:
It says right in the OP that they're looking for "dangerous killy" so I imagine that those are the primary criteria.

I think masterhobo has the right idea with the Leviathan Dreadnought. It has a few different loadout options that allow you to specialize in what you're targeting, but whatever you target is going to get destroyed.

Also killyness when? Shooting? h2h? Either? H2h can often have higher damage output but of course shorter range...

Just concentrating on one aspect can be misleading. Just in terms of killyness h2h gorkanaut outscores likely leviathan in h2h. But doesn't make gorkanaut particularly good.

Leviathan Dread with whatever combination of weapons you fancy. Expensive but very killy.

Weirdly, the good ol' Stormtalon with assault cannons and missiles is pretty decent for its points.

As are Contemptors with Kheres. In fact you can get pretty much two Contemptors for one Leviathan.

Redemptors aren't bad either.

Actually that's one of the reasons I like this edition. Dreads are viable once again!!!

Now are you talking about most damage per model/unit? or the given ability to be spammed, what about outside help? Like Yvraine double phase, Sob AoF, CWE Doom/Guide/Quickening, etc...?


Given a single Model/Unit, i'd say a unit like Grotesques or Talos from DE might fit what you are thinking.

Blightlord Terminators

The flails make them deadly in close combat and either combi-bolters or combi-plasma makes their shooting deadly. Hard as heck to remove, too.

Standard Custodians

Not necessarily the best by themselves, but certain Strategems can make them utter murder machines. Had a case last week with a single Custodian in close combat with 6 GK Paladins; survived everything they threw at him without taking a single wound, proceeded to slaughter 3 of them thanks to 2CP.

 Valkyrie wrote:
Standard Custodians

Not necessarily the best by themselves, but certain Strategems can make them utter murder machines. Had a case last week with a single Custodian in close combat with 6 GK Paladins; survived everything they threw at him without taking a single wound, proceeded to slaughter 3 of them thanks to 2CP.

And then what are the odds?-) Always consider odds with single examples. After all 20 conscripts don't usually overwatch grand master on dreadknight to death yet I have done it.

(well albeit that was extreme example but I have doubts raw damage output of standard custodian model(note also singular so squad of 5 custodians is out) outputs leviathan, gorkanaut, stomtalon etc)

Also OP doesn't seem to be interested in survivability/cost efficiency so...I need to check but I suspect gorkanaut outdamages that 3 paladins.

It's the Tigershark bomber. No question. At least of everything mentioned something far.

So far in my experience, Leviathan Dreadnought with butcher cannons is pretty devastating.

Khorne Berzerkers. Absolutely destructive against almost anything if built right.

It's single model, right?

Khorne Berzerker still wins point for point.

But point for point doesn't matter. Most powerful single model.

Personally, I think for standard 'codex' units, you've got a few choices.

Death Company Dreadnoughts are pretty damn killy in melee. Shooting, not as much but they still pack a meltagun so inside of 12" that can be a pretty good hit.

In melee, you're rocking 4 (or 5 on the charge) ST: 12, AP: -3 attacks (Furioso Fists) that hit on 3's, naturally rerolling all failed to hit, and then would on 2's against anything that's not T:12 on the first round of combat (Red Thirst triggering whether the DC Dread charged or was charged). Each hit does 3 damage, so you're reliably going to, hopefully, get at least 9 damage, or as much as 15 damage onto the target.

All of this for less than 160 points (164 with a Magna Grapple). It's dreadnought stats, and has a 6+ feel no pain against all wounds, even mortal. Oh, it also moves 8" naturally a turn.

Of course forgeworld coming into play, the Leviathan Dread is also a proper terror on the battlefield.

Lastly, I think the Imperial Knight, specifically a Knight Gallant, would be the most powerful single model. It has the wounds to survive getting in close, a 4++ save with available stratagems, hits on 2's naturally with the chainsword or stomps (or 3's with the gauntlet), is cheaper than any other knight chassis, and no matter what it hits you with, reaper chainsword, or thunderstrike gauntlet, it's doing a flat 6 damage per strike and subsequent failed save.

Very little, if any stand alone model can stand up to a full round of hits from one. Even Morty or Magnus would have a rough go against one, in melee anyway.

Just my opinion. Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

FW index, Leviathan Dreadnoughts. They are basically tiny knights.

Custodes seem very powerful

For "all around" best single model, I am going to go with the following (non HQ or LoW)

-IG Orgyn Bodyguard with Deathmask relic (2++ save, character keyword protection, great CC damge)

-Tau Riptide

-Dark Eldar Talos

(For the record I play DE, Tau, SM and IG)

Leviathan Dreadnought, probably. It's more than halfway to a Lord of War with 20 shots of S7, AP-1, D2 hitting on 2's.

That said, it's also expensive and requires a non-RELIC partner to be fielded.

Point-for-points, it's probably some hideous melee unit with half a dozen attacks and the ability to fight twice, like Death Company, or Khorne Berzerkers.