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First Codex Release Preview article: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/31/youre-gonna-need-more-miracle-dice-as-these-new-rules-make-the-adepta-sororitas-holier-than-ever/
Celestians and Melee Weapons Preview article: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/06/01/the-adepta-sororitas-latest-reinforcements-just-love-whacking-things-with-giant-maces/
Crusade Rules article: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/06/02/elevate-a-sister-of-battle-to-living-saint-status-with-the-crusade-rules-in-codex-adepta-sororitas/
Order Convictions: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/06/04/faithful-serenity-pure-rage-or-just-plain-ol-fire-pick-the-holy-order-thats-perfect-for-your-adepta-sororitas/

Lots of details available on the Warhammer Fest Online Day 2 (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/04/warhammer-fest-online-day-2-warhammer-40000/)
Here's what we know about the confirmed new Codex:
The Adepta Sororitas are getting their biggest and best codex ever – a whopping 128 pages that bring their lore right up to date. This sacred tome comes complete with over 35 datasheets and a suite of Crusade rules that breathe life into the Sisters of Battle on the tabletop.

The codex also introduces rules for Hymns of Battle – inspirational verses sung by the Dogmata that venerate the God-Emperor – and Minoris convictions that give you the option to represent an Order Militant of your own creation on the battlefield.
Also, Miracle Dice are here to stay with minor rules tweaks. This marks it as the first time the Acts of Faith mechanic survived transition to a new "codex".

The Battle Sister Bulletin is back:
  • Celestian Sacresants: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/04/12/take-the-fight-to-the-heretics-with-the-elite-melee-specialists-of-the-adepta-sororitas/
  • Aestred Thurga: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/04/26/this-battle-sister-has-it-all-faith-a-sword-and-an-absolutely-massive-banner/
  • Morvenn Vahl: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/10/this-high-lord-of-terra-prefers-the-battlefield-to-the-boardroom/
  • Battle Hymns of the Adepta Sororitas: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/24/the-adepta-sororitas-are-singing-their-way-to-galactic-domination-with-these-hymns-of-battle/

  • The New Models
    Morvenn Vahl, Abbess Sanctorum of the Adepta Sororitas
    Spoiler:
    Aestred Thurga, Reliquant at Arms, and Agathae Dolan, Hagiolater
    Spoiler:
    The Dogmata:
    Spoiler:
    The Palatine:
    Spoiler:
    The Paragon Warsuit:
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    The Castigator:
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    The Celestian Sacresants
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    Datasheet Revisions
    The Triumph of Saint Katherine:
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    The Exorcist:
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    Takeaways from the two simplified datasheets:

    The Triumph of Saint Katherine lost 4 attacks at each damage tier. However, it currently has the Sword of Saint Katherine that is limited to 4 attacks each time the unit fought. Change that to 4 bonus attacks with it each time the unit fights and we have no real change to the stats of the model.

    The Exorcist has changed quite a bit.
  • Stat Block has been adjusted to match the Predator exactly (-1 S/T/W, +1 Ld, with same damage tiers)[/list\[list]Exorcist Missile Launcher: Has lost a point of AP. Is now effectively a multi-shot Krak Missile Launcher
  • Exorcist Conflagration Rockets: Lost a point of AP but gained a point of damage. This gives them the same S/AP/D as the Heavy Bolter. Useful for fast rolling

  • This message was edited 12 times. Last update was at 2021/06/04 13:44:31


     
       
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    There's some traction with the idea that the Exorcist shifts in role from the only ranged tank hunter to an artillery piece, though we won't know for sure until the full data sheet is seen.

    But more importantly, the missiles shoot straight up!
       
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    Not a complete fan of a revision, but I understand why.

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    cant they leave our poor exorcist missiles alone.. they used to be the same AP as melta weapons..

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    Apparently not. At least now we can expect both weapon options to be a much closer, if not equal, points value. It wouldn't be too shabby at 165 points for the Exorcist Missile Launcher.
       
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     warmaster21 wrote:
    cant they leave our poor exorcist missiles alone.. they used to be the same AP as melta weapons..


    I thought they always counted as hitting the side armour? To represent the weaker armour most vehicles have on their top.
       
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    Not terribly happy to hear about the changes to the Exorcist. I was considering getting two more of them so I could run three in a list because I like them better than Retributors (even though competitively Rets are much better). Now I'll have to reconsider.

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    cody.d. wrote:
    I thought they always counted as hitting the side armour? To represent the weaker armour most vehicles have on their top.
    They were actually described as melta missiles in the fluff. Never had any indirect or top hitting ability unless you count the odd 'draw line of sight from the barrels, but barrels are not a target' situation in early editions.
    Though the original (mid 3e) exorcist was a BS 3, AV 11, krak-missile armed rhino.

    It may be cheap and/or indirect (or melta weapons may become impractically expensive again) but AP -2 and T7 isn't going to cut it as a direct fire tank destroyer, and AP -2 also takes it out of the running for shooting at some elite infantry to some degree.
       
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     ZergSmasher wrote:
    Not terribly happy to hear about the changes to the Exorcist. I was considering getting two more of them so I could run three in a list because I like them better than Retributors (even though competitively Rets are much better). Now I'll have to reconsider.


    Retributors are a big question mark currently - if they get changed to only carry what's in the box (like is happening with most new Codexes), then they'll be much harder to use effectively.
       
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     Asmodai wrote:
    Retributors are a big question mark currently - if they get changed to only carry what's in the box (like is happening with most new Codexes), then they'll be much harder to use effectively.
    Two meltas under the current rules aren't too bad but they lean on a lot of other stuff - cherubs, stratagems, move and shoot, and the current implementation of faith (which never seems to survive an edition change).
       
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    A.T. wrote:
    .. and the current implementation of faith (which never seems to survive an edition change).


    This.

    Given how central this is to Sisters currently, most speculations are kinda moot until we see the new Acts of Faith system.

    Not only has GW been doing widely different things with this in the past, but also all other 9th Ed. Codexes have seen Necron REAP, Drukhari Power from Pain, Death Guard Disgustingly Resilient/Inexorable Advance, even Marine AtsknF, etc.. been re-written.

    And the current Acts of Faith system seems to be getting quite some flak.

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    Sisters of Battle rumors?

    Come on folks, April Fools was last week!

     
       
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     Kid_Kyoto wrote:
    Sisters of Battle rumors?

    Come on folks, April Fools was last week!


    Not really.

    GW released the #new40k video last July with previews for models that would've been the Q3/Q4 Codex releases for 2020 in a "normal year".




    It included the Death Guard Lord of Virulence, Lelith, the AdMech Marshall or whatever it's called, along with the Palatine and an Ork.

    Of course there is no 100% certainty, but it seems highly plausible that with Death Guard, Drukhari and AdMech out/confirmed, Sisters and Orks will be the next two (especially since both also have seen further model-previews).

    The only wrinkle is Bel'akor, who might either lead a Daemons Codex or be a Campaign-book-rules-addition.

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    Not really.

    GW released the #new40k video last July with previews for models that would've been the Q3/Q4 Codex releases for 2020 in a "normal year".
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    Sunny Side Up wrote:

    Of course there is no 100% certainty, but it seems highly plausible that with Death Guard, Drukhari and AdMech out/confirmed, Sisters and Orks will be the next two (especially since both also have seen further model-previews).



    and new style boxes have been confirmed. Have they done yet any without accompanying codex?

    I was big disbeliever for new codex this soon because it didn't seem neccessary but then again GW doesn't release codexes based on which needs it most so guess not too surprising.

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    I wish the Exorcist finally becomes an artillery piece.

    I'm fine with the new profiles (vehicle and weapons) if the cost is adapted or if it can actually fire without LOS. Either outcomes are good for the sisters.

    I guess GW is waiting for the right time to release the new codex / units. It's certainly more a question of having everything from China related to the releases than anything else. Oh, and the pandemic too.


    I feel like the impact will be similar to the new Lumineth, in the end. Meaning at first sight a big deal, but on second sight it's more about giving more variety to lists than really overpowering the army.

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    Please no new codex! I just bought the BRB for 9th. Now you want me to buy another one when 10th drops???
       
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    I really hope they don't change too much. The sisters codex is quite good as is, with a few minor tweaks needed to level out the Orders. Fundamental changes are not needed.
    As for the exorcist, I'm ok with a debuff if the points match. It's will going to see play in my lists as its one of the best plastic kits i've put together, and looks amazing (unlike the new Tonka tank).
       
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     Asmodai wrote:
     ZergSmasher wrote:
    Not terribly happy to hear about the changes to the Exorcist. I was considering getting two more of them so I could run three in a list because I like them better than Retributors (even though competitively Rets are much better). Now I'll have to reconsider.


    Retributors are a big question mark currently - if they get changed to only carry what's in the box (like is happening with most new Codexes), then they'll be much harder to use effectively.
    This has only happened to a handful of units in each released codex. None of those were heavy weapon units like Retributors, only mainline units like Plague Marines, Deathshroud Terminators, and Wyches. It notably didn't happen to Drukhari Scourges that only have 1 copy of each weapon in the kit. I don't think we have anything to worry about here.
       
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    Remember this is GW we're talking about. The reason they're nerfing the Exorcist is because they want us to buy the Castigator instead. I expect the same will happen with Penitent Engines, because they'll want us to buy a bunch of Paragon Warsuits instead of just using what we purchased last year.

    They'll nerf whatever was most popular last time around (Retributors?) and buff whatever was least popular (Arcos? Repentia?)

    That's how it works.

     
       
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    TBH, unless they decide to give 2 wounds to all sisters, I don't really see them changing that much. Tweaks here and there for sure (change a bit the rules of the orders so that Bloody Rose doesn't look that appealing in comparison), but the core ? I mean, they won't change the weapon profiles that much, most of them are already used by the rest of the Imperium and we know Space Marines' weapon profiles, don't we. We already use them with the V8 codex anyway (which is why they're still very good in the current V9 meta).

    What is left for change are the "sister specific weapons", and I have no doubt the Castigator's main cannon will have a fancy new name allowing a different profile or something.

    Can live with retributors having more "defined" weapon options (yeah, 4 multi meltas in the same unit are definitely overpowered). But I believe they'll still be sisters wielding the same core imperium heavy weapons like before. Maybe less interesting if you can't optimize like a dirty dog, but hey game balance can be a very mean god.

    I'm more excited to see what they will have as Crusade special options after seeing what they did with the others V9 codexes. Heh.

    I guess they can change the miracle dice mechanism or sacred rites table into something completely different, but I expect it will still be "miracle/faith" focused. I'm more "afraid" if they do like necrons : a lot of small rules that give small situational bonuses (yeah, they matter but it's a lot to remember during a game that isn't lacking in that field already !).

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    My biggest hopes: greater parity between Orders, warlord traits, and relics, minimal penalties for mixing Orders, and some really good army specific secondary objectives and special scenarios. If they can nail that, I'll deal with whatever needs and points adjustments come along with it.

       
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     MacPhail wrote:
    My biggest hopes: greater parity between Orders, warlord traits, and relics, minimal penalties for mixing Orders, and some really good army specific secondary objectives and special scenarios. If they can nail that, I'll deal with whatever needs and points adjustments come along with it.


    Yeah. Probably this.

    +1 attack on the charge is just an insanely powerful rule that is way to imbalanced to be an armywide chapter trait (not to mention a non-chapter trait rule an army get's on top for nothing). But that isn't a Sisters-specific issue, really.
       
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    minimal penalties for mixing Orders,

    Not me. I want severe penalties for mixing any <trait> (order, kultur, chapter, hivefleet, legion, whatever).

    The cherry-picking and unit/keyword wombo-combos need to stop. Multi-subfaction task forces are really rare and should come with a hefty price, not just be free list-tailoring powerups.


     Casbyness wrote:
    Remember this is GW we're talking about. The reason they're nerfing the Exorcist is because they want us to buy the Castigator instead. I expect the same will happen with Penitent Engines, because they'll want us to buy a bunch of Paragon Warsuits instead of just using what we purchased last year.

    They'll nerf whatever was most popular last time around (Retributors?) and buff whatever was least popular (Arcos? Repentia?)

    That's how it works.


    Yep. Its why those Gladiators just flew off the shelves, and every necron player is just chomping at the bit to get Flayed Ones. New is just better and old bad things are suddenly amazing. And primaris as a whole took about three iterations to become even basically viable.

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    You wanna give sisters two wounds? They are already dominating the meta. What possible justification could there be for 2W sisters? Power Armor? Better Make Custodes 6Ws base.
       
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    FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
    You wanna give sisters two wounds? They are already dominating the meta. What possible justification could there be for 2W sisters? Power Armor? Better Make Custodes 6Ws base.


    I think the idea was that we are not going to see too many big changes. The two wounds was saying nothing crazy like that is going to happen.
       
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    Yep, like Necrosis said.

    Now I'm sure the Parangons will have more than one wound per model, but that's entirely another matter !

    And yes, I agree GW doesn't always make awesome profiles for their new miniatures. That's why I'm not that concerned about the "sister Leman Russ"...I mean, Castigator.

    If we have more "balanced" main orders and maybe even some custom traits for making your own order, it will be good enough for changes. With new relics and command traits, of course. And stratagems.

    But since the sister book was already made late in the V8, I'm pretty willing to bet it will be still be used as core basis for the V9. What we saw with the profiles of the new exorcist and Triumph of Saint Katherine comfort me in that matter : tweaks, but I don't expect huge overhauls that change everything completely.
       
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    I don't think there is going to be a ton of Sisters changes. They really just need to adjust the Orders and a few of their stratagems with some points to bring them into balance.

    I kind of expect the Exorcist may become an non-LOS arty piece. Could explain the stats nerf, and I would expect the points to go up for that bonus.

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    Sunny Side Up wrote:
     MacPhail wrote:
    My biggest hopes: greater parity between Orders, warlord traits, and relics, minimal penalties for mixing Orders, and some really good army specific secondary objectives and special scenarios. If they can nail that, I'll deal with whatever needs and points adjustments come along with it.


    Yeah. Probably this.

    +1 attack on the charge is just an insanely powerful rule that is way to imbalanced to be an armywide chapter trait (not to mention a non-chapter trait rule an army get's on top for nothing). But that isn't a Sisters-specific issue, really.

    LOL you ain't serious are you?

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     vipoid wrote:
    Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

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    Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
    Sunny Side Up wrote:
     MacPhail wrote:
    My biggest hopes: greater parity between Orders, warlord traits, and relics, minimal penalties for mixing Orders, and some really good army specific secondary objectives and special scenarios. If they can nail that, I'll deal with whatever needs and points adjustments come along with it.


    Yeah. Probably this.

    +1 attack on the charge is just an insanely powerful rule that is way to imbalanced to be an armywide chapter trait (not to mention a non-chapter trait rule an army get's on top for nothing). But that isn't a Sisters-specific issue, really.

    LOL you ain't serious are you?


    Gotta agree with Slayer Fan here, +1A on the charge is not negligible but hardly a game breaking rule. By that logic World Eaters is broken and we barely see them on the competitive side of tournaments outside of Red Butcher Terminators in Chaos Soup.
       
     
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