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 Mr_Rose wrote:

Old-Four-Arms wrote:

The Praetors (a.k.a. Kurtha Sedd and Aethon Steloc)

Oh, the push-fit ones? Good question. Imma say… £35 for the set. But AU$85 because they love HBMC so much.

pls no bully our terrain insane aussie.


but yeah, expect to get robbed for HQ's.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

Old-Four-Arms wrote:

The Praetors (a.k.a. Kurtha Sedd and Aethon Steloc)

Oh, the push-fit ones? Good question. Imma say… £35 for the set. But AU$85 because they love HBMC so much.

Weren't they £45 Direct Only last time? Probably going to at least £47.50.

Still cheaper than f.e. the Alpha legion ones....

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
As much as I dislike nitpicking about Space Marine height, I regret this digression even more now.

For anyone concerned about the matter of the new Corvus being too hench, I suggest purchasing some Mk6 Tactical Podiums, as seen here:



See? Everyone's happy and the Lieutenant can still be told apart at 400 paces, to the delight of enemy snipers everywhere.

tacticool rock strikes again to remove incompetent officers via enemy sniper.
Saves your own mens bullets and wastes your enemies.
Not reccomended for competent personell.

 Slinky wrote:
Are you Alpharius? Am I?

Here's a WIP of my first 5 Mk VI Alpha Legion marines:

Sweet!

Hope mine turn out as well.

The main question is, is it priced ok?

So far, f.e. the deimos rhino is cheaper over here than the old SM / CSM rhino, and has more options.
If that thing is priced well i can see getting another 1-2 for the single one in my boxset-

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

EDIT: Huh, I only see five... is the sixth Alpharion (see, because they're two, Alpharius/Omegon ), up to their usual shenanigans?

The sixth is taking the picture bro

Just so happens that the object he is taking the pictures with looks eerily similar like an explosive.

Or they are both alpha legionaires , which have been noted to be larger than "normal" marines?

Which in turn would mean your force is infiltrated

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Why is everything resin a no go?

Resin is fine. The problem is when talking about GW then resin = FW, or even worse resin = finecast.

FW is expensive, has to be ordered online, for many people it means international shipping, terrible quality control, and frankly recently the actual quality has been poor (I've received FW models with 3D print lines and supports still visible, which to me is utterly unacceptable for the premium product FW pretends to be).

I actually think the MkVI shoulder pads probably should have been done out of resin instead of two piece, but I'll be quite clear in saying that by "resin" I do NOT mean "FW" nor "finecast".

Seconded.

Resin is an awesome material for modelling. Can be, if handled propperly, used for a slew of things, is durable and often if propperly done lighter than plastic (which is a boon if you intend to carry around a horde of models)

The core issue is that FW resin is FW resin, not quite failcast but frankly if the chances are better for quality resin-products if you go to chinacasts or russia casts, or if you really want to be shocked to actual model companies then we have a bit of a (and i mean that very ironically) qualty -price relation issue.

Personal exemple, i own the old R&H command, enforcers and 2 stubber teams, i cleaned all these models and had to bend some very delicate parts, i also had the upgrade sprue for unit commands including an icon that was so full and bad that i couldn't use it.
Compare that to say the 70 Anvil industry models i ordered including a slew of weapons and other assorted bits, i cleaned maybee 5 minutes, had no moldlines and could use all the models as intended.

 Sabotage! wrote:
I have to jump on the anti-FW resin train. The stuff I have received has been generally poor quality and needed a ton of work to make serviceable. For the price of the product it should be top notch. Only thing I ever have received from FW that didn't have some sort of defect were 1 Squad of DKoK Engineers (out of nearly 1k points of DKoK), and a few packs of upgrade heads/shoulders. Needless to say I won't buy anything other than upgrades from them, and I really have to like them to do that.

Many other resin miniatures I have dealt with were fantastic. Anvil, Artel W, and many others make miniatures that are amazing quality out of resin. FW should really take note.

I recently bit the bullet on a malcador, which is probably my best painted model now, anyways in the gallery of mine there are two pics which show the parts with moldblocks still attached on it...
i required no gak a saw and sandpaper to remove that huge moldblock off the main body which was placed diagonally on the main body...
considering what resin is, that is very annoying..

Sabotage! wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
I have to jump on the anti-FW resin train. The stuff I have received has been generally poor quality and needed a ton of work to make serviceable. For the price of the product it should be top notch. Only thing I ever have received from FW that didn't have some sort of defect were 1 Squad of DKoK Engineers (out of nearly 1k points of DKoK), and a few packs of upgrade heads/shoulders. Needless to say I won't buy anything other than upgrades from them, and I really have to like them to do that.

Many other resin miniatures I have dealt with were fantastic. Anvil, Artel W, and many others make miniatures that are amazing quality out of resin. FW should really take note.

I recently bit the bullet on a malcador, which is probably my best painted model now, anyways in the gallery of mine there are two pics which show the parts with moldblocks still attached on it...
i required no gak a saw and sandpaper to remove that huge moldblock off the main body which was placed diagonally on the main body...
considering what resin is, that is very annoying..

Ugh, that is horrible. Looking at it that picture gave me chills! If it’s any consolation the finished tank looks great!

That wasn't even the worst part actually, still hate to saw resin for the whole dust aspect.

Tavis75 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
I have to jump on the anti-FW resin train. The stuff I have received has been generally poor quality and needed a ton of work to make serviceable. For the price of the product it should be top notch. Only thing I ever have received from FW that didn't have some sort of defect were 1 Squad of DKoK Engineers (out of nearly 1k points of DKoK), and a few packs of upgrade heads/shoulders. Needless to say I won't buy anything other than upgrades from them, and I really have to like them to do that.

Many other resin miniatures I have dealt with were fantastic. Anvil, Artel W, and many others make miniatures that are amazing quality out of resin. FW should really take note.

I recently bit the bullet on a malcador, which is probably my best painted model now, anyways in the gallery of mine there are two pics which show the parts with moldblocks still attached on it...
i required no gak a saw and sandpaper to remove that huge moldblock off the main body which was placed diagonally on the main body...
considering what resin is, that is very annoying..

That doesn't look like much of an issue, couple of seconds with a hack saw and looks like it's in a location where the track unit will cover it, so only need to be filed\sanded to be flat enough to not get in the way of that piece. That's just what I'd expect for a large resin piece like that.

Oh absolutely but for the price they demand for "rest of the world" category i could expect them to atleast remove that block no?

Alas the worst was fiting the sides into the body, since they were bent but the cake took the tracks, you just get a sprue full off em, and not one schematics to explain to you how much of them you need.

I absolutly think i will need 2-3. Depending of course on the pricetag.

Still waiting on the Predator... or autocannon heavy weapons.
Personally i found it always wierd that there was a melee leviathan but that's just me.

tneva82 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Still waiting on the Predator... or autocannon heavy weapons.
Personally i found it always wierd that there was a melee leviathan but that's just me.

Well at least it's on walker designed for cramped narrow areas.

TBF, the contemptor is already larger than the box dread and the Leviathan beats the Deredo ontop of the others... (sans rocket battery on the deredo), i don't buy it.

but that is just nitpicking.

Still waiting on contemptors aswell. But it's nice to know that we will get predators, heavy weapons, Contemptors and Leviathans which are atleast dual varieties.

the only core things missing then would be Recon Marines, Assault marines (dual kit hopefully), and upgrade sprues for mortalis options there? Oh and breachers but those could just be a shieldpack.

tneva82 wrote:
Just wish we had some idea of release day!

Might be my first new(as in not 2nd handed) 40k model(rather than AOS) in about a year. My all dread blood angels drooling over these

Not the contemptors? They seem more flexible to me

I kinda forgot the Proteus and dreadclaw for the core things that are missing and would be nice to have..

Btw there was the rumor going around that predators would come in batches, is that still likely or are we looking at 1/ box?

tneva82 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Just wish we had some idea of release day!

Might be my first new(as in not 2nd handed) 40k model(rather than AOS) in about a year. My all dread blood angels drooling over these

Not the contemptors? They seem more flexible to me

I kinda forgot the Proteus and dreadclaw for the core things that are missing and would be nice to have..

Btw there was the rumor going around that predators would come in batches, is that still likely or are we looking at 1/ box?

I already HAVE those

Though the new GT pack put bit of a curveball to my all dread list. As in I can't field these or relic contemptors or even have warlord trait...

But want...more...DREADNOUGHTS!

Dreadnought fever is a serious condition, it is a natural mutation from Kanfever, leading to symptoms such as:
- empty wallet.
- empty fridge
- death through pile of shame avalanche.
- Wife taking the kids and leaving.
- Pile of grey shame.

please consider asking a professional for help.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The pricing on loose weapon sprues is so outrageous they can't possibly be seen as a positive.

Compared to them not being available at all, though?

No, not even then. GW prices are already stupid high as it is, we don't really need DLC on top of it.

Particularly DLC that they only sell direct with no possible discounts.

TBF, compared to say Havocs or Devastators (which players tend to want equip with the same weapons for specialisation reasons), ironically the Weapon sprues are cheaper.

F.e. full lascannon havoc squads requires me to buy 2 havoc squads at 50 CHF each. so 100 for "1 full" squad (nvm reaper chaincannons.)
for that i can get 20 69 CHF mark VI and a sprue of special weapons/ heavy weapons at 37.50. for 6.5 CHF more.
If i want 15 Havocs with lascannons then the math gets even more lopsided.

Granted however in HH you are kinda forced to bulk buy but is that a negative?

 TalonZahn wrote:
I love watching you all do mental gymnastics to justify a company splitting bits and kits into other bits and kits.

There is ZERO reason, other than money, to split many of the kits they do.

There's no reason for 2 Leviathan kits. Just put the ranged sprue in.

And Doc, don't pretend the Ranged one and the Melee one aren't going to cost the same price. It will literally be 2 for 1.

Also, is the whole "Citation needed" some new trend you guys across the Pond have picked up and started trending?

I feel like there is a difference between the Upgrade sprues for infantry weapons and the obvious rather wierd "cut content" on the dread. There's no point cutting the melee weapon sprue or the shooty sprue from the leviathan.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Although to be fair the Mk6 sprues are some of the most stingy product GW has ever made, from the size of the sprues they look like GW crammed an infantry kit into an Aeronautica production slot or something.

I feel like some less Bolt pistol holsters and a HB / ML and PG /Flamer would've gone a long way to endear it more, since then you could feasibly also run the squad out of the box as 2 veteran squads.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Mystic Grotsnik predicts HH Wave 2 will be next weekend’s pre-orders, as that should coincide with the most common, end of the month, pay dates.

Mystic Grotsnik also predicts “one of everything” to come in around £250-£300.

Mystic grostnik ?
Can you also give us answer to the question if the rumor is accurate for the Predators to come in bundles?`



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 Gert wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
I feel like some less Bolt pistol holsters and a HB / ML and PG /Flamer would've gone a long way to endear it more, since then you could feasibly also run the squad out of the box as 2 veteran squads.

TBF the idea of the kit seems to have been to avoid that so people starting out wouldn't just run Pride of the Legion and play their HH armies like 40k Marines. It was a big problem in our group when BaC came out that almost everyone was running PotL because they built the MkIV's with Special and Heavies because they all thought HH Tacticals were the same as 40k. It made for extremely boring games where everyone basically used the exact same list despite having the potential to take different units and RoW.

I mean, fair enough from that perspective but it would've been better if that was just an option provided as a goodie for players.
Also it would've been dead easy for players to just get another box of marines and create enough special / normal dudes to stand in and make the squads modular for list building.

Grumbles.
Atleast over here the Deimos Rhino is a casual 11.50 CHF cheaper than the SoB rhino... 20 % infact...
Which is hillarious.

 flaherty wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Mystic Grotsnik predicts HH Wave 2 will be next weekend’s pre-orders, as that should coincide with the most common, end of the month, pay dates.

Mystic Grotsnik also predicts “one of everything” to come in around £250-£300.

Just an aside, are monthly pay packets the norm in the UK?

There are generally 24/26 pay periods in the US in a year, with strong movement towards paying people weekly or even following their shift in the case of hourly work at larger employers. I'm impressed with the planning prowess and patience of those of you across the pond.

monthly is normal here too, has to do with bureucracy and social systems. Makes it far easier to deduct social security pay.

If that theory would be true, then why is it so far consistently cheaper to buy HH models?

F.e. Deimos Rhinos are cheaper than normal or forbid SoB rhinos.

20 box tacs is cheaper than 2 boxes tacs, even with special upgrade box thrown in.

Doubly so when you play CSM..

BrianDavion wrote:
I'm not saying that all HH stuff is gonna be more expensive or that GW is imposing a "HH tax" they're not, and for what we GET the HH kits are pretty well priced, but rather due to larger unit sizes more points, etc HH is going to have a larger cost outlay and I do think we're OCCASIONALLY gonna get cases of sticker shock, at least until we look at the contents of "Box X" and go ......... "thats actually pretty good"

I don't know if it is fundamentally more expensive to play 2000 pts of 40k vs 3000 pts of 30k. FWIW there are already army set ups and factions in 40k that math out close enough to all resin armies from fw...
I also don't know if 3000 pts will be what the 30k community will play around with locally.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'd be happy with that price if it had all the weapons. With only 2 arms and 4 hands in the kit and the other sprue being probably 25€ standalone, it's a "think thrice" purchase for sure. Looks like Heresy affordability was only a launch day special.

Or, what could be likely, GW prices for Points and army slots, which would make dreads very efficent to build an army and by extention prices them like they price HQ... by basically going straight to lala-land.

Still waiting on that predator.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Just built the first of three Deimos Rhinos.

Man it’s pretty dinky! Fun kit to build, with not even the tracks (traditionally my least favourite bit) not being a pain in the arse.

Base plate was a pretty tight fit, but not to the point I was worried anything was gonna break. And of course I armed it with a multi-melta!

, multi melta deimos for the win.

but yes its a good kit, easy to build, interesting options and still a whole sprue of goodies

where's the ruinstorm and militia PDF?
actually?

i am sitting on a brick of space brits and would like to proceed building my militia.

oh yeah, i totally forgot that we should've had AC's as of now.

i like AC's.

SamusDrake wrote:
Cheers for that Gert and ph34r.

one exception however being dreads which are, i thnk it's fair to say, underpriced pts wise.

but that is honestly my only gripe about the books.

i like them.
they are not overly busy and still pretty easy identifyable.