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 Strg Alt wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I reckon they might embiggen them slightly, yes. The old Marine bikes are from mid-2nd edition, only slightly edited sometime in the '00s, when the torso changed from a one-piece to a standard three-part affair with a ball and socket join in the waist. That it hasn't been retired by now rather suggests that the unit itself is really unpopular (Ravenwing possibly notwithstanding, but those guys have their own kit now), so I wouldn't hold my breath for any heresy bikers either.

40K battlefield is way too small for bikes to shine. You would need to play Epic and take a bike company to get most out of them.

Honestly, it's even worse for transports, and vehicles make the game devolve fastly into something more like a parking lot than a battlefield.

Simply put, the current scale of the minis doesn't really work well for the kind of game they want it to be.

 Strg Alt wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I reckon they might embiggen them slightly, yes. The old Marine bikes are from mid-2nd edition, only slightly edited sometime in the '00s, when the torso changed from a one-piece to a standard three-part affair with a ball and socket join in the waist. That it hasn't been retired by now rather suggests that the unit itself is really unpopular (Ravenwing possibly notwithstanding, but those guys have their own kit now), so I wouldn't hold my breath for any heresy bikers either.

40K battlefield is way too small for bikes to shine. You would need to play Epic and take a bike company to get most out of them.

Its also way too small for titans, aircraft, artillery, or even medium to large vehicles. Bikes are fine.

A plastic spatha bike kit would be much appreciated. Building the FW ones is a real pain, using the SM scout bike base with a bunch of resin addons. They could even throw in an attack bike sidepod to the kit if they were feeling generous

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Why is everything resin a no go?

Resin is fine. The problem is when talking about GW then resin = FW, or even worse resin = finecast.

FW is expensive, has to be ordered online, for many people it means international shipping, terrible quality control, and frankly recently the actual quality has been poor (I've received FW models with 3D print lines and supports still visible, which to me is utterly unacceptable for the premium product FW pretends to be).

I actually think the MkVI shoulder pads probably should have been done out of resin instead of two piece, but I'll be quite clear in saying that by "resin" I do NOT mean "FW" nor "finecast".

Seconded.

Resin is an awesome material for modelling. Can be, if handled propperly, used for a slew of things, is durable and often if propperly done lighter than plastic (which is a boon if you intend to carry around a horde of models)

The core issue is that FW resin is FW resin, not quite failcast but frankly if the chances are better for quality resin-products if you go to chinacasts or russia casts, or if you really want to be shocked to actual model companies then we have a bit of a (and i mean that very ironically) qualty -price relation issue.

Personal exemple, i own the old R&H command, enforcers and 2 stubber teams, i cleaned all these models and had to bend some very delicate parts, i also had the upgrade sprue for unit commands including an icon that was so full and bad that i couldn't use it.
Compare that to say the 70 Anvil industry models i ordered including a slew of weapons and other assorted bits, i cleaned maybee 5 minutes, had no moldlines and could use all the models as intended.

Thirded.

Having handled a fair amount of resin miniatures, mostly for smaller-scale skirmish type games, resin is a very good model for miniatures, as long as it's not being handled by GW or FW.

MoD_Legion wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Why is everything resin a no go?

If I had to guess, at least for the average joe:
The cost, the quality of the casts (mold slip, bubbles, shrinkage), ease of working with the material.

Exactly this, for me. Just way too much for what is - more often than not - additional hassle.

I have to jump on the anti-FW resin train. The stuff I have received has been generally poor quality and needed a ton of work to make serviceable. For the price of the product it should be top notch. Only thing I ever have received from FW that didn't have some sort of defect were 1 Squad of DKoK Engineers (out of nearly 1k points of DKoK), and a few packs of upgrade heads/shoulders. Needless to say I won't buy anything other than upgrades from them, and I really have to like them to do that.

Many other resin miniatures I have dealt with were fantastic. Anvil, Artel W, and many others make miniatures that are amazing quality out of resin. FW should really take note.

 Sabotage! wrote:
I have to jump on the anti-FW resin train. The stuff I have received has been generally poor quality and needed a ton of work to make serviceable. For the price of the product it should be top notch. Only thing I ever have received from FW that didn't have some sort of defect were 1 Squad of DKoK Engineers (out of nearly 1k points of DKoK), and a few packs of upgrade heads/shoulders. Needless to say I won't buy anything other than upgrades from them, and I really have to like them to do that.

Many other resin miniatures I have dealt with were fantastic. Anvil, Artel W, and many others make miniatures that are amazing quality out of resin. FW should really take note.

I recently bit the bullet on a malcador, which is probably my best painted model now, anyways in the gallery of mine there are two pics which show the parts with moldblocks still attached on it...
i required no gak a saw and sandpaper to remove that huge moldblock off the main body which was placed diagonally on the main body...
considering what resin is, that is very annoying..

The newer material is a lot better quality, however, it only seems to be getting used on newer sculpts.

It's just really annoying FW demands premium price for an overall largely inferior product

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
I have to jump on the anti-FW resin train. The stuff I have received has been generally poor quality and needed a ton of work to make serviceable. For the price of the product it should be top notch. Only thing I ever have received from FW that didn't have some sort of defect were 1 Squad of DKoK Engineers (out of nearly 1k points of DKoK), and a few packs of upgrade heads/shoulders. Needless to say I won't buy anything other than upgrades from them, and I really have to like them to do that.

Many other resin miniatures I have dealt with were fantastic. Anvil, Artel W, and many others make miniatures that are amazing quality out of resin. FW should really take note.

I recently bit the bullet on a malcador, which is probably my best painted model now, anyways in the gallery of mine there are two pics which show the parts with moldblocks still attached on it...
i required no gak a saw and sandpaper to remove that huge moldblock off the main body which was placed diagonally on the main body...
considering what resin is, that is very annoying..

Ugh, that is horrible. Looking at it that picture gave me chills! If it’s any consolation the finished tank looks great!

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
I have to jump on the anti-FW resin train. The stuff I have received has been generally poor quality and needed a ton of work to make serviceable. For the price of the product it should be top notch. Only thing I ever have received from FW that didn't have some sort of defect were 1 Squad of DKoK Engineers (out of nearly 1k points of DKoK), and a few packs of upgrade heads/shoulders. Needless to say I won't buy anything other than upgrades from them, and I really have to like them to do that.

Many other resin miniatures I have dealt with were fantastic. Anvil, Artel W, and many others make miniatures that are amazing quality out of resin. FW should really take note.

I recently bit the bullet on a malcador, which is probably my best painted model now, anyways in the gallery of mine there are two pics which show the parts with moldblocks still attached on it...
i required no gak a saw and sandpaper to remove that huge moldblock off the main body which was placed diagonally on the main body...
considering what resin is, that is very annoying..

That doesn't look like much of an issue, couple of seconds with a hack saw and looks like it's in a location where the track unit will cover it, so only need to be filed\sanded to be flat enough to not get in the way of that piece. That's just what I'd expect for a large resin piece like that.

Friendly reminder that a good resin printer costs about as much as two small FW vehicles.

I printed a Sabre tankette and a Vultarax Stratos-Automata this weekend, so there's my money back on the printer.

friendly reminder, it's a joke to seriously suggest 3D printers as a solution to anything other than you wanting to pirate crap.

 Kanluwen wrote:
friendly reminder, it's a joke to seriously suggest 3D printers as a solution to anything other than you wanting to pirate crap.

To paraphrase an older quote;

Piracy doesn't hurt Games Workshop but I sure wish it did.

Made the mistake of getting a FW Sicaran a couple years back. Warpage, drippage, mould lines, and excessive gate material. Clean-up took me a few days, and even being patient, dewarping and doing my utter best, it's still got warpage issues and looks like its been through WW3. Needless to say, no more GW resin for me.

Recently 3D printed a Sicaran and had it together in an hour with no muss or fuss. I'd go so far to say if GW had a plastic kit for the Sicaran instead of resin, I would have gotten it in a heartbeat - in fact, I'm planning to get the Kratos next time I get a paycheck.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
friendly reminder, it's a joke to seriously suggest 3D printers as a solution to anything other than you wanting to pirate crap.

To paraphrase an older quote;

Piracy doesn't hurt Games Workshop but I sure wish it did.

Intellectual property is the most absurd concept to ever exist and piracy isn't a real crime except for the most abused of shill house wives - but I wish it was, so it would ruin GW.

I never understood how piracy lost sales. 99% of the people pirating something wouldn't pay the retail price or even the ebay price for it which is why they're pirating it in the first place.

Toofast wrote:
I never understood how piracy lost sales. 99% of the people pirating something wouldn't pay the retail price or even the ebay price for it which is why they're pirating it in the first place.

Cool, so then why do they pirate/3D print it?

FWs Quality has increased siginificantly since the Dkok range. I have the 30K DG Contemptor, many DG conversion kits and Lotr Orks. They're all on par with the best Resin models on the market (so WGE or ArtelW for me).
The price is insane, though, that is true. And that the price applies to older, often problematic kits as well, makes it even worse.

 Kanluwen wrote:
friendly reminder, it's a joke to seriously suggest 3D printers as a solution to anything other than you wanting to pirate crap.

Tell me you don't know anything about 3D printing without telling me you don't know anything about 3D printing.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Toofast wrote:
I never understood how piracy lost sales. 99% of the people pirating something wouldn't pay the retail price or even the ebay price for it which is why they're pirating it in the first place.

Cool, so then why do they pirate/3D print it?

Because they're not willing to pay the ludicrously inflated price and give money to a really gakky company?

 Kanluwen wrote:
friendly reminder, it's a joke to seriously suggest 3D printers as a solution to anything other than you wanting to pirate crap.

Neither accurate nor friendly. Remarkable.

A resin 3D printer is also an excellent way to give yourself cancer from dangerous and poorly-tested chemicals produced in nameless Chinese factories. Or a great way to start a house fire, if it's a filament printer instead. :-P

I have to assume the above post is made in a facetious tone...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I have to assume the above post is made in a facetious tone...

Some people are taking 5 year old Tom Kirby quotes that aged like milk wayyy too seriously

Yep, I am in general agreement with this thinking. I don't think it's perfect logic - there are surely cases where pirated product diminishes the sales of or otherwise devalues the official version, but I think the theory in general holds true. (this was a response to toofast).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I have to assume the above post is made in a facetious tone...

I see the standards for emoji literacy continue to plummet alongside a wider pattern of decline.

Damn, if 3D printers are so dangerous I better stop buying from ForgeWorld, I don't want to endanger their employees. Given y'know, they 3D print all their masters.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Why is everything resin a no go?

For me, it's because I am not a hobbiest. I'm primarily a gamer. Secondly, the cost is outrageous for a product that you'll likely have to spend three times as much time fixing due to warps and bubbles and so on. I typically avoid resin if at all possible.

 Kanluwen wrote:
friendly reminder, it's a joke to seriously suggest 3D printers as a solution to anything other than you wanting to pirate crap.

They hated him because he told the truth.