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Any news of any Further releases in Hard Back Campaign Series - Last I have is IX "Crusade"

 keas66 wrote:
Any news of any Further releases in Hard Back Campaign Series - Last I have is IX "Crusade"

I was hoping for at least one final release, but it's been all quiet since Alan passed away.

Don't get me started - I Really got back into 40K in the early 2010's when Alan was releasing his Badab War series from Forge World . The genius of those Early Pre Heresy Forge World Campaign Books lay in making a rather silly over the top cartoon Universe into something super Hard , Dark and Grim . Since his Death - GW have opted for more of the Cartoon Style again and it looks more like a Childs game/universe again ...Sad

 keas66 wrote:
Don't get me started - I Really got back into 40K in the early 2010's when Alan was releasing his Badab War series from Forge World . The genius of those Early Pre Heresy Forge World Campaign Books lay in making a rather silly over the top cartoon Universe into something super Hard , Dark and Grim . Since his Death - GW have opted for more of the Cartoon Style again and it looks more like a Childs game/universe again ...Sad

40k went "dark" in 3rd. The only "cartoony" aspect is the 'Eavy Metal team simplifying their paint style to make the game more accessible to new players.

Well opinions differ I guess ( at least mine do ) - I find their entire graphical style now a lot "brighter" now both online/webpages and in white dwarf/ rulebooks . I find the main WH40K literary style also a little brighter than the Books I'm speaking of . Once can't read through say the Siege of Vraks Series and really compare the utter nihilsm and despair that comes out in those texts to anything the main WH40K rulebook authors now produce - In my opinion of course . I really only collected the Forge World Imperial Armor series and then The Horus Heresy Campaign Series as my primary interest in things WH40'ish - the mainstream WH40 stuff I picked up as well but mainly just to be a completist . Sad if they are not going to complete the Campaign Series up to the Siege of Terra - but maybe they want to keep it light , refreshing and breezy - not too many complicated words . The Golden Era of Forge World has passed ?

9th ed codexes have gotten a lot darker in the art department and don't confuse the advertisement images drawn for Warcom for being actual depictions of the setting proper.

Also, making the data sheet pages dark text on a light background so that actual humans can read them is not the same as the setting becoming “lighter.”

I'm goin to miss the Lore and Art in the bigger books. They seemed to be a cut above everything else.

Hopefully these new Black Books will at least stay on par.

So the epub version of the AoD rulebook finally released, have been reading it. I really like the difference in tone compared to 40K publications - no redundant, edgy adjectives in sight! Feels like the HH rulebook is written to adults instead of 5 year olds with zero attention span.

For anyone interested to know, the epub version has full search capability as well as comprehensive indexing. Very easy to find anything. Top marks! Now if GW could also release the Liber books as epubs, that would be great.

 tauist wrote:
Feels like the HH rulebook is written to adults instead of 5 year olds with zero attention span.

Considering who's leading Specialist Games, this is unsurprising.

A cartoony warhammer style is fine as long as the cartoon is Judge Dredd

While I agree 40k and 30k should be pretty grim, that really dark and cynical humor is essential too.

My first 40k army was Space Wolves. I really love the space wolves. But honestly, I chose them because they were the most outrageous over the top guys around and always gave me some chuckles.
In 30k, SW does nothing for me, they are just dull. A fine example of to much grit without the dark humor.

So the MTO Iron Warriors Torsos are labelled as MKII, and are actually a pack of 5 for £14.50. The Iron Warriors & Dark Angels Shoulder Pads are both labelled as MKIV, and are £14.50 for 10.

The MTO runs until 8am BST on Monday the 11th of July 2022.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Feels like the HH rulebook is written to adults instead of 5 year olds with zero attention span.

Considering who's leading Specialist Games, this is unsurprising.

Real and true.

 tauist wrote:
So the epub version of the AoD rulebook finally released, have been reading it. I really like the difference in tone compared to 40K publications - no redundant, edgy adjectives in sight! Feels like the HH rulebook is written to adults instead of 5 year olds with zero attention span.

HH was always written that way, a (biased) historical retelling of events pieced together years after the events took place.

 Fayric wrote:
A cartoony warhammer style is fine as long as the cartoon is Judge Dredd

While I agree 40k and 30k should be pretty grim, that really dark and cynical humor is essential too.

My first 40k army was Space Wolves. I really love the space wolves. But honestly, I chose them because they were the most outrageous over the top guys around and always gave me some chuckles.
In 30k, SW does nothing for me, they are just dull. A fine example of to much grit without the dark humor.

My first 40k army was also Space Wolves, but I started them in 2nd edition when they were only a little bit silly and pretty quickly got sick of the wolf-everything that came in and they started bringing packs of wolves and riding wolves and murderface showed up.

I think 30k Space Wolves were written for people like me, who aren't looking for super serious Space Wolves but also aren't into the cartoon they have become.

A bit off topic but does anyone know what part A14 (from the vehicle accessories sprue) is for?
It looks a lot like A15 which is the pintle heavy weapon mount and connects to the rim of the top hatch (A4 or A5) but it just doesn’t sit right.
Has anyone found a kit where it gets used yet or is this future proofing?

 Mr_Rose wrote:
A bit off topic but does anyone know what part A14 (from the vehicle accessories sprue) is for?
It looks a lot like A15 which is the pintle heavy weapon mount and connects to the rim of the top hatch (A4 or A5) but it just doesn’t sit right.
Has anyone found a kit where it gets used yet or is this future proofing?

According to my Kratos instructions, A14 is for the pintle MultiMelta, Heavy Bolter, and Heavy Flamer.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
A bit off topic but does anyone know what part A14 (from the vehicle accessories sprue) is for?
It looks a lot like A15 which is the pintle heavy weapon mount and connects to the rim of the top hatch (A4 or A5) but it just doesn’t sit right.
Has anyone found a kit where it gets used yet or is this future proofing?

According to my Kratos instructions, A14 is for the pintle MultiMelta, Heavy Bolter, and Heavy Flamer.

Yeah, it's for pintle mounts for copulas that don't use A4 or A5.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
A bit off topic but does anyone know what part A14 (from the vehicle accessories sprue) is for?
It looks a lot like A15 which is the pintle heavy weapon mount and connects to the rim of the top hatch (A4 or A5) but it just doesn’t sit right.
Has anyone found a kit where it gets used yet or is this future proofing?

According to my Kratos instructions, A14 is for the pintle MultiMelta, Heavy Bolter, and Heavy Flamer.

Yeah, it's for pintle mounts for copulas that don't use A4 or A5.

Ah, cool, haven’t got a Kratos yet. Thanks all.

 keas66 wrote:
Well opinions differ I guess ( at least mine do ) - I find their entire graphical style now a lot "brighter" now both online/webpages and in white dwarf/ rulebooks . I find the main WH40K literary style also a little brighter than the Books I'm speaking of . Once can't read through say the Siege of Vraks Series and really compare the utter nihilsm and despair that comes out in those texts to anything the main WH40K rulebook authors now produce - In my opinion of course . I really only collected the Forge World Imperial Armor series and then The Horus Heresy Campaign Series as my primary interest in things WH40'ish - the mainstream WH40 stuff I picked up as well but mainly just to be a completist . Sad if they are not going to complete the Campaign Series up to the Siege of Terra - but maybe they want to keep it light , refreshing and breezy - not too many complicated words . The Golden Era of Forge World has passed ?

I miss proper black and white line-art. The current stuff is overly rendered with colour, losing a lot of mood and detail. The little sketches in the current Kill Team books are a step in the right direction.

So here's a contentious topic.

Anyone want to guess whether GW will scale up stuff like bikes and speeders proportionatly with new crew, or will Mk6 sized crew be crammed in original sized seats?

I reckon they might embiggen them slightly, yes. The old Marine bikes are from mid-2nd edition, only slightly edited sometime in the '00s, when the torso changed from a one-piece to a standard three-part affair with a ball and socket join in the waist. That it hasn't been retired by now rather suggests that the unit itself is really unpopular (Ravenwing possibly notwithstanding, but those guys have their own kit now), so I wouldn't hold my breath for any heresy bikers either.

Aside from the fact that they're a reasonably old kit and don't fit scale-wise any more, does anyone have an actual grievance against the bike kit?

Would people be miffed if GW released a plastic outrider Spatha kit that was the same as the FW version?

 Snrub wrote:
Aside from the fact that they're a reasonably old kit and don't fit scale-wise any more, does anyone have an actual grievance against the bike kit?

Would people be miffed if GW released a plastic outrider Spatha kit that was the same as the FW version?

Honestly I prefer both FW kits to the plastics. I wouldn’t mind having a plastic version of either available though tbh I’d slightly prefer the recon bikes.

 Snrub wrote:
Aside from the fact that they're a reasonably old kit and don't fit scale-wise any more, does anyone have an actual grievance against the bike kit?

Would people be miffed if GW released a plastic outrider Spatha kit that was the same as the FW version?

The whole lines needs to be updone in Plastic. Anything resin is basically a no buy for me, and from what I've seen interreacting with the newcomers to the HH community with 2E, that opinion is the majority. I think if they want to make the game a mainstream success that they can make good money off of, plastic as much as possible is the only solution.

 Snrub wrote:
Aside from the fact that they're a reasonably old kit and don't fit scale-wise any more, does anyone have an actual grievance against the bike kit?

Visually, I still prefer it to the Primaris bikes, which don't look remotely functional.

But yeah, it's a basic model but holds up well for its age.

Why is everything resin a no go?

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Why is everything resin a no go?

If I had to guess, at least for the average joe:
The cost, the quality of the casts (mold slip, bubbles, shrinkage), ease of working with the material.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Why is everything resin a no go?

Resin is fine. The problem is when talking about GW then resin = FW, or even worse resin = finecast.

FW is expensive, has to be ordered online, for many people it means international shipping, terrible quality control, and frankly recently the actual quality has been poor (I've received FW models with 3D print lines and supports still visible, which to me is utterly unacceptable for the premium product FW pretends to be).

I actually think the MkVI shoulder pads probably should have been done out of resin instead of two piece, but I'll be quite clear in saying that by "resin" I do NOT mean "FW" nor "finecast".

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I reckon they might embiggen them slightly, yes. The old Marine bikes are from mid-2nd edition, only slightly edited sometime in the '00s, when the torso changed from a one-piece to a standard three-part affair with a ball and socket join in the waist. That it hasn't been retired by now rather suggests that the unit itself is really unpopular (Ravenwing possibly notwithstanding, but those guys have their own kit now), so I wouldn't hold my breath for any heresy bikers either.

40K battlefield is way too small for bikes to shine. You would need to play Epic and take a bike company to get most out of them.