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Simply put, this is a thread for the general utilizing of RAW in all the wrong ways.  Pick a grey area of the rules, and with a logically consistent chain of reason make the most absurd, abusive, and ridiculous rules argument ever.
Rules lawyer away and have fun.

(and yes this thread has a point, which is to serve as a reminder that most of the so called "rules lawyering" that goes on in 40k is truly mundane compared to the actual lawyering that the slack rules writing allows.)

I think my "tank shock forces you to walk off the board edge" thread was the best.

Instant Kill only working if you fail a save, if you dont take one in the first place you simply take a wound

Ordnance weapons cannot hurt anything. There are no rules telling you how to determined which models are affected by the template. The rulebook states how to determine which models are affected with a Blast template, but specifically says that the Ordnance template does not follow those rules.

Yea. I'd slap that guy...

I'll probably get burned for this, but I say that if it is possible for a unit to run off the board by failing multiple leadership and/or morale tests, then it's possible for them to run off if they are tankshocked close to the board edge.

Since the Monolith's ordinance shot doesn't give a strength for the AP1 attack under the center of the template, that specific attack doesn't have a strength value.

The space Marine commander's leadership rule applies to all marines on the board, even your opponents.

Smart missile systems don't need line of sight, and can therefore fire at models inside a transport.

Premise 1 : The most important rule is to allow your opponent to have fun.

Premise 2 : I do not have fun when I play against Necrons.

Premise 3 : Breaking a rule is cause for disqualification.

Conclusion : I always win against Necrons.

- Oaka

Posted By orchewer 08/09/2006 3:04 AM
I'll probably get burned for this, but I say that if it is possible for a unit to run off the board by failing multiple leadership and/or morale tests, then it's possible for them to run off if they are tankshocked close to the board edge.

It is possible for them to run off the board edge from tank shock, if they fail their morale check and are close to their depoyment zone table edge.

#2 for me: The interpretation of "Model's eye view" being taken literally. Note that this also requires two different forms of LOS during the game, causing further confusion.

I'd add the "magic cylinder" lunacy, but that's actually a rules misinterpretation.

Same with infinitely high vehicles and buildings for LOS purposes.

Models in a unit move at the speed of the slowest model. Therefore, all must move exactly the same distance; no 1" move with one and 5" move with another.

Posted By Antonin 08/09/2006 11:36 AM
Models in a unit move at the speed of the slowest model. Therefore, all must move exactly the same distance; no 1" move with one and 5" move with another.

That isn't an interpretation, that is a rule.

I think he meant that if you choose to move one guy in a normal squad 1", then the rest of the squad can only move 1" (as opposed to having a normal infantry model attached to a Cavalry unit, so it doesn't get Fleet or a 12" charge).

Posted By Iorek 08/09/2006 12:16 PM
I think he meant that if you choose to move one guy in a normal squad 1", then the rest of the squad can only move 1" (as opposed to having a normal infantry model attached to a Cavalry unit, so it doesn't get Fleet or a 12" charge).

 I didn't read it that way since to do it that way would be to completely ignore all of the text around that quote that explains this means maximum movements/special movements. That would also make it a misinterpretation.

Direct fire means you have no variation on firing if you have LOS with your ordinance weapon. -Supposedly this was backed up by a judge in a tournie.

Posted By snooggums 08/09/2006 12:29 PM

Posted By Iorek 08/09/2006 12:16 PM
I think he meant that if you choose to move one guy in a normal squad 1", then the rest of the squad can only move 1" (as opposed to having a normal infantry model attached to a Cavalry unit, so it doesn't get Fleet or a 12" charge).

I didn't read it that way since to do it that way would be to completely ignore all of the text around that quote that explains this means maximum movements/special movements. That would also make it a misinterpretation.

The rule does not say that all models in a unit use the same "movement mode", i.e. cavalry, etc. Yes, that would make sense; no, that isn't what they wrote.

Someone attempted to argue (possibly in jest) that Space Marine Terminators don't wear Terminator armour, because it doesn't specifically say they do in the codex.

Posted By Lewzor The Grate 08/09/2006 2:10 PM
Someone attempted to argue (possibly in jest) that Space Marine Terminators don't wear Terminator armour, because it doesn't specifically say they do in the codex.

Hmmm. You haven't lurked here much, have you?

Casualties can only be removed from range and LOS...

So Indirect fire can never kill anyone?

Or direct fire ordinance blasts that cover models out of LOS (by deviating or by design) do nothing to them...

No, I agree with you on this, Snoogums; such an idea had never even crossed my mind before.  I was just clarifying Antonin's post.

I think the craziest thing I have seen so far is the claim that Tau drones that disembark from vehicles never have to take leadership tests.

Of course, there is also the 'put everything on a 12" base' concept, so that Space Marine drop pods have nowhere to land.

-Hans

Hans said:
I think the craziest thing I have seen so far is the claim that Tau drones that disembark from vehicles never have to take leadership tests.

Although, of course, that is technically true.

Moving your opponent's units during your movement phase.

Having your Commisar join one of your opponent's units, and executing its leader when it fails a leadership check.


I think these have been cleared up in the v4 rules.

What about the Khorne champion on a 2' long ruler for a base inside a Rhino. Guaranteed first turn charge almost...

Most insane rules interpretation (not mine and my apologies if I've mangled the quote):

"...an army with two wounds has alot going for it..."

*ducks and runs*

Using any base size other than the standard for the model to your advantage is completely farcical and against the rules. The models don't count for anything, its really the base size and the height of the unit, (monstrous creatures, man-sized creatures, gretchin, etc.)

Not necessarily RAW (in fact, it's just plain wrong), but it gets old having to explaing a Tomb Spider does not block LOS to a Monolith.

Posted By BatCommander 08/10/2006 3:11 AM
Using any base size other than the standard for the model to your advantage is completely farcical and against the rules.

While I might agree with your first point, under certain circumstances, you're dead wrong on the second one.

The idea that Khorne marked units and statured DPs can infiltrate, due to the universal special rules replacing the enties in the Chaos codex. A classic case of designers intent clashing with what the rules actually say.