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Thanks for the tip.

I was looking at the units from the boxed set and couldn't find them.

The app is a pretty big help, it has all the warscroll in it, and a "my battle" section where you can put the warscroll you are using that game to make it easier to reference.

Having finally gotten enough games in to get a real feel, my opinion of AoS is it is a massive disappointment, a huge missed opportunity, and overall not very well done. It is a good enough 3rd tier game, but otherwise its meh at best. I will definitely play it when I have nothing better to do so I don't consider it a total loss. The price is not good and the "starter" is pretty useless if you aren't a fan of its 2 factions.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 455_PWR wrote:
I think many aos players don't post army lists or gaming threads here on dakka because the naysayers and 8th folks seem to flood the threads with anti gw, aos fan, and aos posts. No one wants to be attacked or have their game 'bashed' just for trying to have a positive conversation about their game (and then told that they are being mean because they like or try to defend their game).

Warseer is the same. Our aos community is getting huge here in central wisconsin, but it seems like most stay off the forums for the most part (besides lurking) because of the earlier said reasons.

I would posit that, rather than there being some sort of massive negativity cloud preventing people from using forums, that there's very little reason to post army lists in a game where there's no points costs or limits and no army construction rules.

The way it used to work, you always had two dimensions that defined your army. The points level, and then the composition rules (e.g. no more than 25% rare, at least 25% troops, etc). That gave a basis for people to judge armies between each other.

With neither of these in existence, there's no way to really judge anything. How do you give army construction advice when there's no comparative basis on which to judge? At they very least you'd need to have some sort of comp system that takes the place of the old points system, or an opposing collection/army, to compare against.

Exalted. Why bother with creating a competitive list for a game that, by default, is made to shun competitiveness?

I have to be honest and admit that I couldn't stand the old Warhammer Fantasy. I found it far too complicated and the rules that emulated real-ish engagements (wheeling, formations...etc), plsu an overpowered magic system just spoiled any enjoy I had out of the game. I tried about 5 or 6 times to get into the game, even played through a full league and nothing. I also couldn't stand the Old World setting either. Then along comes Age of Sigmar and I was intrigued but put off because it didn't look like traditional fantasy. I was up there with those who wondered why space marines were in Fantasy.

However, I have played two games (wood elves vs ogres, as was) and watched another (dark elves vs ogres), plus numerous battle reports on Youtube. I actually love this game and its simplicity. It no longer feels like a chore to play and I have a much easier time of imagining an epic battle while playing. For casual players like me AoS is perfect but I can fully understand the disappointment from players who want the old complexity and power levels. GW are going to lose players but hopefully AoS will bring in new blood to the hobby and that can only be a good thing.

Against my initial negative impression of the game, aesthetics, and fluff I gave AoS a whirl or three. Even bought an overpriced book or two. Tried it at the club, with my son, even forced my father to play a game with me when I couldn't find anyone else.

Must say it's the worst game I have played in my 19 years as a gamer. It has thankfully completely died at my FLGS and I am now playing games like X-Wing and KoW with other adults, hoping to get into Armada soon. Found a cool game called Arcadia Quest that my seven year old son loves and I even find rather fun to play with him, several magnitudes more than AoS. AoS finally got me out of my GW bubble, for which I am thankful for, since I am having more fun now than I have in years.

Well, here's a bit of information that is not based on opinion. I own a game store. Since AOS I have a larger Warhammer League than I did under WFB8th. The players show up consistently and I am getting new players every week. I am selling more GW Fantasy models than I did before. Most of the old guard rage quit and moved to Kings of War. But they are only playing themselves because no new blood is going into Kings of War. No store in my area carries KOW models because they can't sell them (terrible sculpting) and the rules are free, so there is no profit to be had. Most people are playing KOW with GW models, so It is easier just to back AOS since I already am carrying the models.I think since AOS is being backed by the GW Powerhouse it will come out of this just fine. They just need to put out models for more armies.

thekingofkings wrote:Having finally gotten enough games in to get a real feel, my opinion of AoS is it is a massive disappointment, a huge missed opportunity, and overall not very well done. It is a good enough 3rd tier game, but otherwise its meh at best. I will definitely play it when I have nothing better to do so I don't consider it a total loss. The price is not good and the "starter" is pretty useless if you aren't a fan of its 2 factions.

dosiere wrote:Against my initial negative impression of the game, aesthetics, and fluff I gave AoS a whirl or three. Even bought an overpriced book or two. Tried it at the club, with my son, even forced my father to play a game with me when I couldn't find anyone else.

Must say it's the worst game I have played in my 19 years as a gamer. It has thankfully completely died at my FLGS and I am now playing games like X-Wing and KoW with other adults, hoping to get into Armada soon. Found a cool game called Arcadia Quest that my seven year old son loves and I even find rather fun to play with him, several magnitudes more than AoS. AoS finally got me out of my GW bubble, for which I am thankful for, since I am having more fun now than I have in years.

Thekingofkings and Dosiere, as someone actively growing the AoS community up by me, can you PM me a couple of the things you did not enjoy? Doesn't need to be a novel or anything, we have just embraced making tweaks to the core rules to shore up deficiencies, so anything that may set a new player off warrants my attention. Obviously not every game is for everyone, so if it is as simple as you just did not like it that's a-ok too... but as two players who actually gave the game a shot, if there specific things about the rules or the game flow that didn't jive I would love to hear your thoughts on them!

Thanks

The AoS app is totally rubbish IMO. On my iPad mini it crashes on boot if I am not connected to wi-fi...

...and unless GW stores start offering free wi-fi that means I can't use it when I game in store.

I printed my warscrolls and it's much better.

Wait the app doesn't work offline?

 jonolikespie wrote:
Wait the app doesn't work offline?

I does work, you just won't be able to download warscrolls.

 Bottle wrote:
The AoS app is totally rubbish IMO. On my iPad mini it crashes on boot if I am not connected to wi-fi...

...and unless GW stores start offering free wi-fi that means I can't use it when I game in store.

I printed my warscrolls and it's much better.

That's strange. Are you updated to the latest iOS? If not, that could always cause some problems. It works perfectly on my iPad, wifi or no. I use it all the time because it's so convenient.

 Bottle wrote:
The AoS app is totally rubbish IMO. On my iPad mini it crashes on boot if I am not connected to wi-fi...

I use printed scrolls as well...

But your issue must be an apple one, as I use Android and have had zero issues, and neither has anyone in the shop who also has android

Smellingsalts wrote:
Well, here's a bit of information that is not based on opinion. I own a game store.

Cool where the store located at.

Smellingsalts wrote:
Well, here's a bit of information that is not based on opinion. I own a game store. Since AOS I have a larger Warhammer League than I did under WFB8th. The players show up consistently and I am getting new players every week. I am selling more GW Fantasy models than I did before. Most of the old guard rage quit and moved to Kings of War. But they are only playing themselves because no new blood is going into Kings of War. No store in my area carries KOW models because they can't sell them (terrible sculpting) and the rules are free, so there is no profit to be had. Most people are playing KOW with GW models, so It is easier just to back AOS since I already am carrying the models.I think since AOS is being backed by the GW Powerhouse it will come out of this just fine. They just need to put out models for more armies.

Same thing is happening in my GW store minus the KOW, friends with the manager he said that his paints and stationary sold more than fantasy. Now with AOS there are people actually playing the game and buying stuff and a lot of new blood and Shockley his sales between 40k and aos is rather even now.

 shinros wrote:

Smellingsalts wrote:
Well, here's a bit of information that is not based on opinion. I own a game store. Since AOS I have a larger Warhammer League than I did under WFB8th. The players show up consistently and I am getting new players every week. I am selling more GW Fantasy models than I did before. Most of the old guard rage quit and moved to Kings of War. But they are only playing themselves because no new blood is going into Kings of War. No store in my area carries KOW models because they can't sell them (terrible sculpting) and the rules are free, so there is no profit to be had. Most people are playing KOW with GW models, so It is easier just to back AOS since I already am carrying the models.I think since AOS is being backed by the GW Powerhouse it will come out of this just fine. They just need to put out models for more armies.

Same thing is happening in my GW store minus the KOW, friends with the manager he said that his paints and stationary sold more than fantasy. Now with AOS there are people actually playing the game and buying stuff and a lot of new blood and Shockley his sales between 40k and aos is rather even now.

And you have stores in which the reverse has happened (like in dosiere's).

So, really, can we AT LEAST wait until January's report on this "AoS is selling awesome/like crap" debate?

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:
So, really, can we AT LEAST wait until January's report on this "AoS is selling awesome/like crap" debate?

Not sure how it will qualify as a debate even then...
If AoS is selling enough globally, GW will continue with it.
If it goes belly up, then I think it's a reasonable bet that GW will bin the fantasy medium and look at doing something else with the vacuum, or just shrinking to a sci-fi only company.

In terms of gamers, as long as you can get a satisfying game of whatever takes your fancy in your local area, then great.
If not, then maybe you need to be part of the solution and try to recruit others to it...

They won't suddenly bin such a huge investment based on the first few months of sales. Even if it sells abysmally (which I wouldn't expect) they would give it a couple of years at least.

RoperPG wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:
So, really, can we AT LEAST wait until January's report on this "AoS is selling awesome/like crap" debate?

Not sure how it will qualify as a debate even then...
If AoS is selling enough globally, GW will continue with it.
If it goes belly up, then I think it's a reasonable bet that GW will bin the fantasy medium and look at doing something else with the vacuum, or just shrinking to a sci-fi only company.

In terms of gamers, as long as you can get a satisfying game of whatever takes your fancy in your local area, then great.
If not, then maybe you need to be part of the solution and try to recruit others to it...

One of the best posts I have seen recently but your last two lines are spot-on. I have been quite the AoS cheerleader and as a result my local group has jumped into it whole-hog. Will that impact the world? Hardly, but I will definitely be able to find fun games now. Next up will be getting organized events together... a bit more daunting of a task, but completely accomplishable.

GW will continue with AoS for two to three years. It will take them a year to judge its success. If it is doing badly it will take another one to two years to do an uplift plan and see how effective that is.

If it does well then obviously GW will continue to support it beyond the three years.

RoperPG wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:
So, really, can we AT LEAST wait until January's report on this "AoS is selling awesome/like crap" debate?

Not sure how it will qualify as a debate even then...
If AoS is selling enough globally, GW will continue with it.
If it goes belly up, then I think it's a reasonable bet that GW will bin the fantasy medium and look at doing something else with the vacuum, or just shrinking to a sci-fi only company.

In terms of gamers, as long as you can get a satisfying game of whatever takes your fancy in your local area, then great.
If not, then maybe you need to be part of the solution and try to recruit others to it...

Right now there is a debate (as loosely as it can be called) because there are no hard facts yet. It's all circumstantial and pretty much d*ck-waving from both sides. We will at least need to get to January to have some inkling to it all but, as others have mentioned, they won't can it because of the first few months.

But it can give us some idea of what's going on.

I surely do hope they don't can the Fantasy medium if AoS goes belly-up. I hope they learn their lesson if it does.

Also, regarding the "being part of the solution" bit? Cute.
A good game is the solution itself. A good game doesn't fracture a previously existing player base like AoS did. But hey, that's just me.

A good game is not a solution in itself. The road to widespread adaption is paved with good games, or something similar... Every game needs people to take up the mantle and build up their local communities, or it will fail like so many good games have before.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
The AoS app is totally rubbish IMO. On my iPad mini it crashes on boot if I am not connected to wi-fi...

...and unless GW stores start offering free wi-fi that means I can't use it when I game in store.

I printed my warscrolls and it's much better.

That's strange. Are you updated to the latest iOS? If not, that could always cause some problems. It works perfectly on my iPad, wifi or no. I use it all the time because it's so convenient.

I'm iOS9 haven't got the latest 0.01 update, but this happens both on my iPhone 5 and iPad mini 1.

Not straight away. If I turned off wi-fi I can use it. But if the app is loaded as new or from background cache after being out of wi-fi for some time, it crashes after a few seconds and will constantly do so until I get back in wifi.

I have printed warscrolls and I'm in the process of making my own "armybook" as part of my AoS project , so all things considered it isn't a big pain to not have it working.

Thanks for trying to help.

Oh, that sounds like a awesome idea!

This might interest you, one fellow at the Bretonnian Round Table created his own stylized cards.

http://www.roundtable-bretonnia.org/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=87&func=view&id=163331&catid=2