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2014/03/15 13:30:13
Subject: Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - 2 days left! Rampage pledge = 109 minis for $150.
DaveC wrote: $50 versus $175? or are you trying to build the prison in another way?
That last update does nothing to help Frenzy but it will boost the pledge total - $30 worth of metal minis (with game rules) that are add on only looks like Frenzy doesn't get everything after all.
That's.... not real sporting of them. I'm not outraged myself, but if I were a Frenzy backer, I'd be mightily pissed. Also, $10 for a Dredd model? That's quite a bit more than either Mongoose or Foundry charge for theirs, and theirs aren't sculpted by whoever from Mantic with an 8-12 month wait...
You wonder, though.. it's a gamble between trying to get completionist Frenzy pledgers to drop even more on the bundle, versus the risk of pissing off the ones who are on the fence into dropping out (or down). Is there much ado in the comments?
Do we know it is not a Mongoose/Warlord figure? I could see the 'fans' and the Dredd being from the Warlord/Mongoose line.
Either way, I have a couple Foundry Judge Dredds, some other judges and the angel gang all painted up. No way I need another Dredd. Does everyone get the rules or is it only folks who shell out the $10?
Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
2014/03/15 13:41:44
Subject: Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - 2 days left! Rampage pledge = 109 minis for $150.
Do we know it is not a Mongoose/Warlord figure? I could see the 'fans' and the Dredd being from the Warlord/Mongoose line.
cheetor about 3 hours ago
Is the Dredd miniature a new sculpt or something from an existing range from another manufacturer?
Jason Brown about 3 hours ago
@ Mantic The Dredd figures, is it a new model or just one from the Judge Dredd range (I believe they have three versions at the moment?)
Creator Mantic Games about 3 hours ago
@ Cheetor + Jason - It a brand new sculpt - our very own Mantic DreadBall Judge Dredd
That's premium metal miniatures. I guess someone else has been casting the ones I received from Loka, DBS3 and a non-KS order I received recently....[/sarcasm]
Yeah, that's where Mantic lost my support, too.
2014/03/15 13:46:16
Subject: Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - 2 days left! Rampage pledge = 109 minis for $150.
I've gone for the Dredd mini as, having seen the Mongoose models for them, it's just got to be better than them. Anything made in the last 20 years has to be better than them.
Although, I didn't know about the Dark World creations model.
2014/03/15 13:47:38
Subject: Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - 2 days left! Rampage pledge = 109 minis for $150.
Do we know it is not a Mongoose/Warlord figure? I could see the 'fans' and the Dredd being from the Warlord/Mongoose line.
cheetor about 3 hours ago
Is the Dredd miniature a new sculpt or something from an existing range from another manufacturer?
Jason Brown about 3 hours ago
@ Mantic The Dredd figures, is it a new model or just one from the Judge Dredd range (I believe they have three versions at the moment?)
Creator Mantic Games about 3 hours ago
@ Cheetor + Jason - It a brand new sculpt - our very own Mantic DreadBall Judge Dredd
Thanks. I've clearly fallen behind.
I'll still stick with the Dredd(s) I have.
Will the rules be available to everyone?
Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
2014/03/15 13:48:10
Subject: Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - 2 days left! Rampage pledge = 109 minis for $150.
Heh. My replacement River Horse from Loka had the same warped casting issue as the original one. I didn't even ask for a whole model - just a pair of torso pieces that would fit together properly (ie, not warped). Ironically, restic would have been possible to fix up - or certainly had more chance than the metal one.
$15 premium dollars into the bin, basically.
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Compel wrote: I've gone for the Dredd mini as, having seen the Mongoose models for them, it's just got to be better than them. Anything made in the last 20 years has to be better than them.
Although, I didn't know about the Dark World creations model.
The Mongoose ones of Dredd actually aren't bad in hand. The Foundry ones are quite good. 4 quid a pop.
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Compel wrote: I've gone for the Dredd mini as, having seen the Mongoose models for them, it's just got to be better than them. Anything made in the last 20 years has to be better than them.
Although, I didn't know about the Dark World creations model.
The Foundry one is pretty good.
Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
2014/03/15 16:55:38
Subject: Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - 2 days left! Rampage pledge = 109 minis for $150.
DaveC wrote: $50 versus $175? or are you trying to build the prison in another way?
That last update does nothing to help Frenzy but it will boost the pledge total - $30 worth of metal minis (with game rules) that are add on only looks like Frenzy doesn't get everything after all.
That's.... not real sporting of them. I'm not outraged myself, but if I were a Frenzy backer, I'd be mightily pissed. Also, $10 for a Dredd model? That's quite a bit more than either Mongoose or Foundry charge for theirs, and theirs aren't sculpted by whoever from Mantic with an 8-12 month wait...
You wonder, though.. it's a gamble between trying to get completionist Frenzy pledgers to drop even more on the bundle, versus the risk of pissing off the ones who are on the fence into dropping out (or down). Is there much ado in the comments?
Someone's brought it up now but they are being shouted down because you know Frenzy is already such a good deal, they added teams to it without stretch goals, the miniatures are "premium" metal and so on.
Need to get those alt. sculpts sorted.
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2014/03/15 17:12:16
Subject: Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - 2 days left! Rampage pledge = 109 minis for $150.
and now they're saying on Facebook about the JD add on
"Frenzy was always stated to be all of the stretch goals and a great selection of add-ons - if we could of got these into plastic, they would have gone in"
(left hand please talk to right hand when designing/promoting the KS stretch goals)
2014/03/15 17:56:07
Subject: Re:Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - 2 days left! Rampage pledge = 109 minis for $150.
...As for metal, there is none planned....March 5th
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Spoiler:
@Daniel - I think the new Asterian Cyphers for Deadzone will change your mind about "thin" models :-). @K Harrison - the objection was noted, but we're a little too late on that particular sculpt. However, the figure is better in the flesh, and of course, hot water can do wonders. The benefit of the static pose on the Grogan is that it requires fewer parts on the mould, therefore meaning we can fit more on, hence more alternate poses :-). As for metal, there is none planned. No bear wizard either - we think he might be better suited to Kings of War! @Matthias - 1 card deck will cover the whole game - that's both players. @Jake Rose - the decision is still open - you're right about clear being more flexible for paint schemes, but for people who don't want to paint them the blue will look cooler. What do other people think? @Michele - fantastic question, and quite a difficult one to answer. The design process really varies quite a lot depending on the race in question, and the team of artists that we give it to. For example, the Jetari training robots in the boxed game were designed in just a single stage. We decided that we wanted some training robots, and I told one of my trusted digital sculptor to make me some. That was the entire brief, no further detail, and he nailed it first time! The Crystallans on the other hand took a few more stages. The idea came from a brainstorming session with the whole team, and actually developed out of two or three ideas that were thrown together. From there a brief of the race was written up, and I took that, added a few more details about the look of the figures, and sent it to an artist. It took a few iterations to get them just right (such as the difference between player types, and the fact that we wanted them in clear plastic played a part here - we added more icy parts than they originally had). These have then been given to a sculptor as I mentioned previously. This sculptor in particular is very creative, and often influences a design further at the sculpting stage by adding little tweaks and embellishments, such as extra texturing or tech detailing. Once done, this flows back into our living "IP Bible" and will be carried forwards into everything else we do for the race. The material and casting process do play quite a big part, but only at the sculpting stage really - they determine the pose of the figure, its size, and the way that it is cut. We generally have to find the right compromise between an exceptionally dynamic 15 piece figure and a static 1-2 piece figure, but the sculptors are experienced and know how to make the best of this :-). That was a bit long, but also a bit brief. There's so much more I could say. Maybe a more specific question next time... :-P.
Mar 5 2014 on DreadBall Xtreme - The Brutal Sci-fi Sports Board Game.
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We've not actually discussed the metal/resin thing. I would say definitely not metal.
Mar 9 2014 on DreadBall Xtreme - The Brutal Sci-fi Sports Board Game.
anyway it's happened before it's not going to change now.
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2014/03/15 18:07:12
Subject: Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - 2 days left! Rampage pledge = 109 minis for $150.
At least they let us know it was going to be metal ahead of time this go round.
It didn't bother me that much last time. As a long time GW addict I'm used to working and playing with both, but not being told till you had it kinda sucked.
2014/03/15 18:47:32
Subject: Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - 2 days left! Rampage pledge = 109 minis for $150.
...As for metal, there is none planned....March 5th
full quote
Spoiler:
@Daniel - I think the new Asterian Cyphers for Deadzone will change your mind about "thin" models :-). @K Harrison - the objection was noted, but we're a little too late on that particular sculpt. However, the figure is better in the flesh, and of course, hot water can do wonders. The benefit of the static pose on the Grogan is that it requires fewer parts on the mould, therefore meaning we can fit more on, hence more alternate poses :-). As for metal, there is none planned. No bear wizard either - we think he might be better suited to Kings of War! @Matthias - 1 card deck will cover the whole game - that's both players. @Jake Rose - the decision is still open - you're right about clear being more flexible for paint schemes, but for people who don't want to paint them the blue will look cooler. What do other people think? @Michele - fantastic question, and quite a difficult one to answer. The design process really varies quite a lot depending on the race in question, and the team of artists that we give it to. For example, the Jetari training robots in the boxed game were designed in just a single stage. We decided that we wanted some training robots, and I told one of my trusted digital sculptor to make me some. That was the entire brief, no further detail, and he nailed it first time! The Crystallans on the other hand took a few more stages. The idea came from a brainstorming session with the whole team, and actually developed out of two or three ideas that were thrown together. From there a brief of the race was written up, and I took that, added a few more details about the look of the figures, and sent it to an artist. It took a few iterations to get them just right (such as the difference between player types, and the fact that we wanted them in clear plastic played a part here - we added more icy parts than they originally had). These have then been given to a sculptor as I mentioned previously. This sculptor in particular is very creative, and often influences a design further at the sculpting stage by adding little tweaks and embellishments, such as extra texturing or tech detailing. Once done, this flows back into our living "IP Bible" and will be carried forwards into everything else we do for the race. The material and casting process do play quite a big part, but only at the sculpting stage really - they determine the pose of the figure, its size, and the way that it is cut. We generally have to find the right compromise between an exceptionally dynamic 15 piece figure and a static 1-2 piece figure, but the sculptors are experienced and know how to make the best of this :-). That was a bit long, but also a bit brief. There's so much more I could say. Maybe a more specific question next time... :-P.
Mar 5 2014 on DreadBall Xtreme - The Brutal Sci-fi Sports Board Game.
or
We've not actually discussed the metal/resin thing. I would say definitely not metal.
Mar 9 2014 on DreadBall Xtreme - The Brutal Sci-fi Sports Board Game.
anyway it's happened before it's not going to change now.
This is par for the course for Mantic, unfortunately...
2014/03/15 19:53:39
Subject: Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - Less than 30 hours left! Rampage pledge = 109 minis for $150.
Just asked Mantic on the comments if alternate sculpts for all of the teams was likely. Their response was, "hope so."
The final fate of the alternate sculpts will determine whether I consider staying in at Frenzy, or drop to Rampage, or even just a $1 pledge.
If I were them, I'd just bite the bullet and say they're going to do them, funding or no funding. Unlike another random MVP, alternate sculpts would be a meaningful investment in their own product line. 3 sculpt teams are not going to sell as well at retail.
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2014/03/15 20:57:19
Subject: Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - Less than 30 hours left! Rampage pledge = 109 minis for $150.
- Frenzy is described in the right hand column as all of the stretch goals plus add-ons. The premium figures were intended for plastic, but we'd rather give you the teams, so a few have been nominated to go into metal so you can get them if you wanted them. It was either that, or not do the teams.
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2014/03/15 21:07:09
Subject: Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - Less than 30 hours left! Rampage pledge = 109 minis for $150.
Yeah, they would have been late-game stretch goal freebies done in plastic if the campaign total was higher, but as its currently clear that that isn't going to happen, they're making them in metal as add-ons.
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2014/03/15 21:18:57
Subject: Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - Less than 30 hours left! Rampage pledge = 109 minis for $150.
scarletsquig wrote: Well, there's a new Penny Arcade KS exclusive.. $10 metal add-on.
This is just amateur hour.
Penny Arcade updates on Monday, Wednesday and Friday. People are going to go to the website on Monday, see the exclusive and feature, and then go to Kickstarter and discover the campaign has already finished. It would have made a lot more sense to put the exclusive and feature up on Friday (or earlier, hopefully with another mention on Friday), so that people coming to read the comic would find out about it in time to pledge.
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-C.S. Lewis
2014/03/15 21:28:31
Subject: Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - Less than 30 hours left! Rampage pledge = 109 minis for $150.
scarletsquig wrote: Well, they've paid for the Penny Arcade license now so not much they can do about it.
Well they could .. ya know ... make MvPs actually useful in the game. Would help.
And is there some law that Penny Arcade can't update? It's not that hard to publish gak on a webpage. It's not like they need to wait for the printing presses to open or something.
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The thing about MVPs is I look at them and think "honestly, I'm going to use this model some amount of times between none and maybe half a dozen, do I really need to buy it?"
Was Mantic heavily abused by 7th Ed Teclis as a child, I don't understand why it goes to the trouble of making all these special characters in it's various game systems then basically writes rules to stop you using them.
Ex-Mantic Rules Committees: Kings of War, Warpath
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Engineer: "Because it's a gift shop!"
2014/03/15 21:32:49
Subject: Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - Less than 30 hours left! Rampage pledge = 109 minis for $150.
I dunno what it's like with Dreadball, but Deadzone mercs are pretty much dead meat for campaigns due to the - 3 rep thing.
Then again, I also recall getting a free metal mordheim elf (aenur the twilight or something? aaages ago..)on the cover of White Dwarf that was pretty much impossible/ inadvisable to actually use as intended in the game due to some crazy rules. He did at least make a great elf ranger proxy (one of the most useful hired swords due to the post-game bonus, if I remember correctly).
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2014/03/15 21:35:07
Subject: Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - Less than 30 hours left! Rampage pledge = 109 minis for $150.
scarletsquig wrote: They've paid for the Penny Arcade license now so not much they can do about it. It didn't make much difference to the original campaign either.
Zweischneid wrote: And is there some law that Penny Arcade can't update? It's not that hard to publish gak on a webpage. It's not like they need to wait for the printing presses to open or something.
You misunderstand - the comic updates on Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Therefore, more people will come to their website on Monday, Wednesday and Friday, because they want to read the new comic.
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-C.S. Lewis
2014/03/15 21:39:30
Subject: Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - Less than 30 hours left! Rampage pledge = 109 minis for $150.
scarletsquig wrote: I dunno what it's like with Dreadball, but Deadzone mercs are pretty much dead meat for campaigns due to the - 3 rep thing.
DreadBall MvPs cannot be used in tournament or one-off games.
They are "meant" to be used through auctions in leagues.
In theory, if you have a good and lively DreadBall League of 20 players, you'll have ~ 8 to 10 (max) players will be low on points. Assuming some low-ranking players will match up, around 5 to 6 will be able to have enough MCs to bid. To make sure there is actual competition to drive up prices for MvPs to a (slightly more) balanced level, you need less than 5 MvPs.. probably around 3.
So you'll probably need one MvP for every 5 to 10 players in your League, more or less. Even than the system is clunky.
Also, MvPs that don't play for all teams obviously break the auction mechanic.
Also, MvPs that are Jacks are pointless, cause people will bid for Strikers or Guards.
So yeah, if you bid Frenzy to kit out your entire gaming club for DreadBall, you'll want some 3 or 4 MvPs.. maybe.
Also, I never managed to get a league of 20 people going for a reasonable time. But that might just be me.
You misunderstand - the comic updates on Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Therefore, more people will come to their website on Monday, Wednesday and Friday, because they want to read the new comic.
Didn't they have a Kickstarter asking for 500 Dollars for a Tweet?
They can just do a blog post, facebook, tweet it.. etc...
Not ideal, but hey. I am sure Penny Arcade can do something to earn their money, no?
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This is just amateur hour.
