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Only S3 vs tanks though. Average is a 10.

Cognis Lascannon (and it's BS2 Snapshots/Overwatch) looks to be the better anti-heavy armor

there's a whole range of Rapid Fire Haywire weapons 3/10 troops, I don't think armor is going to be a problem for this army. Actually with the amount of shots they can lay down with the rad carbines, they will do pretty well with hordes as well. This is going to be a pretty awesome shooting army. They do need something like the Mechanicum Krios Venatur

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Anyone else wondering where the Dunestalker is? I mean people have the WD but all we've seen is that one tiny image, and nothing else.

And no unit has it listed as a DT either. :/

The only thing like the term "Dunestalker" we've seen is the rule on the walkers called "Dunestrider".

I was talking about this thing:


The image came from somewhere, so the question remains: where? And can we get more (and better ones at that).

It's possible that the Dunestalker picture is from White Dwarf, as a preview of things to come.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Anyone else wondering where the Dunestalker is? I mean people have the WD but all we've seen is that one tiny image, and nothing else.

And no unit has it listed as a DT either. :/

The only thing like the term "Dunestalker" we've seen is the rule on the walkers called "Dunestrider".

I was talking about this thing:


The image came from somewhere, so the question remains: where? And can we get more (and better ones at that).

No, I get that--but as it stands we have a name("Onager Dunestalker") but no reliable confirmation that it was in fact the name of the unit despite what the datamining suggested(which was a generic error page).

I have a hard time believing that we'll get a "Dunestalker" with the special rule "Dunestrider" though.

buckero0 wrote:
there's a whole range of Rapid Fire Haywire weapons 3/10 troops, I don't think armor is going to be a problem for this army. Actually with the amount of shots they can lay down with the rad carbines, they will do pretty well with hordes as well. This is going to be a pretty awesome shooting army. They do need something like the Mechanicum Krios Venatur

I think the Dragoon isn't a bad start. With Crusader he's covering an average of 17" a turn (9" move, + average 8" run) and an average 11-13" charge means they could be hitting combat really quickly. Perfect for flank charging people.

Requizen wrote:
It's possible that the Dunestalker picture is from White Dwarf, as a preview of things to come.

I considered that, but they haven't done that for any release for the past year. The closest thing was the preview tabs on the GW site during the skaven release.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 edlowe wrote:
Kinda get the feeling this is a scouting, recon force for the main release. And the crazier heavy support and elites are coming in the next codex.

So it's like how we had Codex: Militarum Tempestus and then a bit later had Codex: Astra Militarum? I'll just wait for the full codex then thank you. I've learnt my lesson from MT.

To be fair, MT didn't have 60" rifles with Armourbane...

Haha, nah I meant purely because it was a £25 book with what boils down to just a couple of pages of rules unique to that book.

Oh no.

Harlequins and now this?!

It will be months before my Harlequins are painted.

Usually im not a fan of GW models or releases. But these are very nice. I was expecting lame steampunky things however im pretty impressed.

Some nice releases.

What I dont like though are the rules. Harlequin Codex had some munted force org chart. This book looks like its got special rule bloat. Everything has special rules (like the harlequin codex). Every unit, every gun (exaggeration) and it ends up being a bit much.

The models however are very nice. I bet the price will be excessive though.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

buckero0 wrote:
there's a whole range of Rapid Fire Haywire weapons 3/10 troops, I don't think armor is going to be a problem for this army. Actually with the amount of shots they can lay down with the rad carbines, they will do pretty well with hordes as well. This is going to be a pretty awesome shooting army. They do need something like the Mechanicum Krios Venatur

I think the Dragoon isn't a bad start. With Crusader he's covering an average of 17" a turn (9" move, + average 8" run) and an average 11-13" charge means they could be hitting combat really quickly. Perfect for flank charging people.

Or you can replace the Taser Lance with a Radium Jezzail for a 30" Heavy 2, Sniper, Rad Poisoning fast as all get out monster hunter.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Anyone else wondering where the Dunestalker is? I mean people have the WD but all we've seen is that one tiny image, and nothing else.

And no unit has it listed as a DT either. :/

The only thing like the term "Dunestalker" we've seen is the rule on the walkers called "Dunestrider".

I was talking about this thing:


The image came from somewhere, so the question remains: where? And can we get more (and better ones at that).

No, I get that--but as it stands we have a name("Onager Dunestalker") but no reliable confirmation that it was in fact the name of the unit despite what the datamining suggested(which was a generic error page).

Datamining gave is a redirect which was the importance of it, not the error page it leads you too.

So we have a name, and rumored rules for it:

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Here is a look at your Onager Dunecrawler.
Comes with an Eradication Beamer, Broad Spectrum Data-Tether, Enamatus Force Field, and searchlight. One special rule called Doctrina Imperatives.

Its a crawler, and therefore is never slowed by difficult terrain and auto passes dangerous terrain tests. It can't run.

Gun options-
Replace the Eradication Beamer with
-Twin linked heavy phosphor blaster
-Neutron Laser and Cognis Heavy Stubber
-Icarus Array

Also looking it up again, I was off with "Dunestalker". Oh well. I have forever to learn the name properly.

And since they got the "Doctrina Imperatives" rule rule well in advance of the actual leaked WD images I'm inclined to give that info some credit.


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 Swastakowey wrote:
It will be months before my Harlequins are painted.

My Yme-Loc Eldar share your Harlequin's pain.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
This pretty much sums up the walker.... and GW claims everything they create is original and they don't draw inspiration from anyone...

Given that you're at least the third person to make that comparison in this thread, I think we've all got the point by now...



Reading through the wargear page makes me giggle like a schoolgirl.

It's just disappointing that the current state of the 40k rules leaves me completely uninterested in actually picking this codex up... If 40k was actually playable, I would be all over this release.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

buckero0 wrote:
there's a whole range of Rapid Fire Haywire weapons 3/10 troops, I don't think armor is going to be a problem for this army. Actually with the amount of shots they can lay down with the rad carbines, they will do pretty well with hordes as well. This is going to be a pretty awesome shooting army. They do need something like the Mechanicum Krios Venatur

I think the Dragoon isn't a bad start. With Crusader he's covering an average of 17" a turn (9" move, + average 8" run) and an average 11-13" charge means they could be hitting combat really quickly. Perfect for flank charging people.

Or you can replace the Taser Lance with a Radium Jezzail for a 30" Heavy 2, Sniper, Rad Poisoning fast as all get out monster hunter.

Yup. Sneak around with your 9" move to keep it at max range as you go hunting.

"Oh, you brought Tervigons. How cute."

ClockworkZion wrote:
A special FOC or formations will be used to field the army if that's how the take it.

That said, these are two nice kits and pretty good sized too and we know there is at least one more big kit on the horizon. Makes me wonder how many clamshells we may get (if any).

A special FOC would make sense. I always wondered why GW didn't use FOC's more, they're a good way to differentiate armies. Skitarii are in a sense an "Elite" mechanicus force, does it really make sense for an elite army's FOC to have an elite category. I like the fact Harlequin didn't have a typical FOC. Something similar would apply if the rumors of a Deathwatch army are true, being divided up by standard FOC doesn't really make sense for an army that normally operates as separate Kill Teams where many of the teams have HQ ranked marines leading the squad.

ClockworkZion wrote:Anyone else wondering where the Dunestalker is? I mean people have the WD but all we've seen is that one tiny image, and nothing else.

And no unit has it listed as a DT either. :/

The little picture is probably a small preview shot for the next WD and GW's just holding it back until then.

what does "Doctrina Imperatives" do??

i need answers!!

I hadn't realized these were going to be real ! They look really good, not enough to get me back into the game but enough for me to pick up a box or two of the dragoons I think they'd be fun to paint and make !

PRO: I love the looks of this, it's all so mechanical and baroque. So many layers and bits and gears and pipes and hoses and... Just wow, I think I'm in love!

CON: Obviously price is going to be an issue, doubtless it will be nearly $40 for a box of five little dudes, so $80 for a full unit of ten. = No thanks. Walkers are probably going to be over $45 per as well.

HOPE: Maybe plastic SoBs will be a thing soon (restart the clock)

IRONY: Two armies with AM as shorthand? Adeptus Mechanicus and Astra Militarius or whatever they are calling Imperial Guard these days.

If I break my GW boycott for these then It will be a bare minimum in order to play other rules or small Kill Team games, I don't think I want to make an army of these dudes (yes I do, but y'know 'reasons')

xraytango wrote:
PRO: I love the looks of this, it's all so mechanical and baroque. So many layers and bits and gears and pipes and hoses and... Just wow, I think I'm in love!

CON: Obviously price is going to be an issue, doubtless it will be nearly $40 for a box of five little dudes, so $80 for a full unit of ten. = No thanks. Walkers are probably going to be over $45 per as well.

HOPE: Maybe plastic SoBs will be a thing soon (restart the clock)

IRONY: Two armies with AM as shorthand? Adeptus Mechanicus and Astra Militarius or whatever they are calling Imperial Guard these days.

If I break my GW boycott for these then It will be a bare minimum in order to play other rules or small Kill Team games, I don't think I want to make an army of these dudes (yes I do, but y'know 'reasons')

I tought it was already shown to be 40 for 10 dudes

Loving both Skitarii variants. I'm already liking the arc rifles. 24" Str.6 rapid fire haywire is just scary awesome. A unit of 10 rangers with 3 arc rifles seems like a solid unit against most anything in the game.

 pizzaguardian wrote:
what does "Doctrina Imperatives" do??

i need answers!!

My money's on something like tyranid instinctive behaviour. Probably a minor drawback to counterbalance as currently they're pretty appealing.

xraytango wrote:
HOPE: Maybe plastic SoBs will be a thing soon (restart the clock)

There is no clock, only a sundial, and as we all know it's always cloudy in England....

xraytango wrote:


IRONY: Two armies with AM as shorthand? Adeptus Mechanicus and Astra Militarius or whatever they are calling Imperial Guard these days.

Good thing the former is called Skitarii atm.

 Bull0 wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:
what does "Doctrina Imperatives" do??

i need answers!!

My money's on something like tyranid instinctive behaviour. Probably a minor drawback to counterbalance as currently they're pretty appealing.

I think so too.

Like some weird servitor rule where they may do something dumb without a certain unit nearby, or they simply fail to operate properly when moral breaks would be my guess. .

 Desubot wrote:

xraytango wrote:
PRO: I love the looks of this, it's all so mechanical and baroque. So many layers and bits and gears and pipes and hoses and... Just wow, I think I'm in love!

CON: Obviously price is going to be an issue, doubtless it will be nearly $40 for a box of five little dudes, so $80 for a full unit of ten. = No thanks. Walkers are probably going to be over $45 per as well.

HOPE: Maybe plastic SoBs will be a thing soon (restart the clock)

IRONY: Two armies with AM as shorthand? Adeptus Mechanicus and Astra Militarius or whatever they are calling Imperial Guard these days.

If I break my GW boycott for these then It will be a bare minimum in order to play other rules or small Kill Team games, I don't think I want to make an army of these dudes (yes I do, but y'know 'reasons')

I tought it was already shown to be 40 for 10 dudes

Oh I must have missed it then, sorry.

Now I have some soul searching to do...

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buckero0 wrote:

Only S3 vs tanks though. Average is a 10.

Cognis Lascannon (and it's BS2 Snapshots/Overwatch) looks to be the better anti-heavy armor

there's a whole range of Rapid Fire Haywire weapons 3/10 troops, I don't think armor is going to be a problem for this army. Actually with the amount of shots they can lay down with the rad carbines, they will do pretty well with hordes as well. This is going to be a pretty awesome shooting army. They do need something like the Mechanicum Krios Venatur

140pts gets you 10 dudes with 21 s3 ap5 rad shots and 3 s6 ap5 haywire shots, wording on rad poisoning is a little screwy but I'll assume its 3 wounds per 6.

Against marines: 14 hits, 8-9 wounds, 2-3 dead from rad carbines. Maybe 1 dead from arc rifles.
Against guard: 14 hits, 11 dead from rad carbines, 2 dead from arc rifles.
Vehicles: 2 hull points on average against any tank.

Whats interesting to me is that the cogni weapons hit at Bs2 against invisibility. With them being twin linked that isn't bad.

 Bull0 wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:
what does "Doctrina Imperatives" do??

i need answers!!

My money's on something like tyranid instinctive behaviour. Probably a minor drawback to counterbalance as currently they're pretty appealing.

They're good, but they aren't THAT good. Compare rangers with their 30" range S4 AP4 rapid fire gun to Fire Warriors with their 30" range S5 AP5 rapid fire gun. Sure, the rangers have precision shot and 6+ FNP, but they're also 2 points more each and pay a 10 point sergeant tax. The special weapons, particularly the 18" range assault 3 plasma, are super overcosted. Like, 30 points for something which 2 plasma guns do better? That's not even mentioning the horrible arquebus which is bad against everything.

Plus they have no transport that we know of so far. Don't get me wrong, this is the start of an interesting army, but it's far from good enough to need more problems.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:
what does "Doctrina Imperatives" do??

i need answers!!

My money's on something like tyranid instinctive behaviour. Probably a minor drawback to counterbalance as currently they're pretty appealing.

I think so too.

Like some weird servitor rule where they may do something dumb without a certain unit nearby, or they simply fail to operate properly when moral breaks would be my guess. .

Well i am getting 3 box each without the rules mattering, and i am only getting 3 to see if there are more stuff coming. If not i am going up to 5 per box.

 Ravenous D wrote:

buckero0 wrote:

Only S3 vs tanks though. Average is a 10.

Cognis Lascannon (and it's BS2 Snapshots/Overwatch) looks to be the better anti-heavy armor

there's a whole range of Rapid Fire Haywire weapons 3/10 troops, I don't think armor is going to be a problem for this army. Actually with the amount of shots they can lay down with the rad carbines, they will do pretty well with hordes as well. This is going to be a pretty awesome shooting army. They do need something like the Mechanicum Krios Venatur

140pts gets you 10 dudes with 21 s3 ap5 rad shots and 3 s6 ap5 haywire shots, wording on rad poisoning is a little screwy but I'll assume its 3 wounds per 6.

Against marines: 14 hits, 8-9 wounds, 2-3 dead from rad carbines. Maybe 1 dead from arc rifles.
Against guard: 14 hits, 11 dead from rad carbines, 2 dead from arc rifles.
Vehicles: 2 hull points on average against any tank.

Whats interesting to me is that the cogni weapons hit at Bs2 against invisibility. With them being twin linked that isn't bad.

I don't see how you'd get 3 wounds. It doesn't say 2 additional wounds, it says it inflicts 2 wounds on a roll of a 6. Seems pretty clear that you get 2 wounds, not +2 wounds.

Eyjio wrote:


Plus they have no transport that we know of so far. Don't get me wrong, this is the start of an interesting army, but it's far from good enough to need more problems.

They are almost certainly an army of the Imperium. They have all transports. Rhinos. Chimeras. Drop Pods. Storm Wolf. You name it.

 Ravenous D wrote:

buckero0 wrote:

Only S3 vs tanks though. Average is a 10.

Cognis Lascannon (and it's BS2 Snapshots/Overwatch) looks to be the better anti-heavy armor

there's a whole range of Rapid Fire Haywire weapons 3/10 troops, I don't think armor is going to be a problem for this army. Actually with the amount of shots they can lay down with the rad carbines, they will do pretty well with hordes as well. This is going to be a pretty awesome shooting army. They do need something like the Mechanicum Krios Venatur

140pts gets you 10 dudes with 21 s3 ap5 rad shots and 3 s6 ap5 haywire shots, wording on rad poisoning is a little screwy but I'll assume its 3 wounds per 6.

Against marines: 14 hits, 8-9 wounds, 2-3 dead from rad carbines. Maybe 1 dead from arc rifles.
Against guard: 14 hits, 11 dead from rad carbines, 2 dead from arc rifles.
Vehicles: 2 hull points on average against any tank.

Whats interesting to me is that the cogni weapons hit at Bs2 against invisibility. With them being twin linked that isn't bad.

Auto-cannons go a long way to killing Invisible nasties that way.


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Wonderwolf wrote:

Eyjio wrote:


Plus they have no transport that we know of so far. Don't get me wrong, this is the start of an interesting army, but it's far from good enough to need more problems.

They are almost certainly an army of the Imperium. They have all transports. Rhinos. Chimeras. Drop Pods. Storm Wolf. You name it.

Doubt it's going that far. Chimera and Rhino, maybe a Taurox perhaps. But even then they may only take the Dunecrawler for this book (like how Scions can only take a Taurox Prime as a DT in their own book but have more options in their main codex).

Did GW ever resolve how Rending and Armourbane interact?

Because the armourbane sniper rifle should also get rending from the sniper rule, right? If either dice can give a bonus to penetration, that seems like a viable anti-tank gun.