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Looks like Warhammer Community let slip an image for Looncurse a day early. It can be seen in the Age of Sigmar N&R thread.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
That image is definitely a new Sylvaneth hero vs Loonboss on Squig!
Automatically Appended Next Post: I like to run really durable characters/combos, so I theorized out how I would do Fyreslayers;
-Runefather on 'Droth (General - Iron Will, Trait - Coal-Heart)
-Runesmiter on 'Droth (Artifact - Salamander Cloak, Trait - Ash-Horn, Prayer - Prayer of Ash)
-Battlesmith (Artifact - Nulnsidian Icon)
-Auric Hearthguard x10
The 'Droth characters move around in a 'V' with the battlesmith & aurics behind them. The whole blob is +1 to saves and ignores spells on a 4+. It needs a battalion somewhere in the army for the extra artifact & trait.
The battlesmith has a 3+ save, look out sir and the aurics intercept damage for him on a 4+. The runefather is a 2+ re-roll 1s and reduces rend on incoming attacks by 1. The runesmiter is a 3+ re-roll 1s, a 5+ FnP, and his prayer grants a further +1 to saves.
Not saying this is broken (920 points and needs a battalion somewhere), just a fun theory-craft for running a really durable character blob.
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The warscrolls for the chaos lord on foot and daemonic mount is STILL UP. Found them through google, it's the first two links GRAB THEM NOW.
If you are playing with friends, I think they would be more than happy to let you use the warscrolls/old points or perhaps people can convert their own lords. I already downloaded them.
TBH I did not actually use them back when I played Slaanesh because I found the StD versions to better do what I wanted. I am more disappointed by loss of theme and options.
NinthMusketeer wrote: TBH I did not actually use them back when I played Slaanesh because I found the StD versions to better do what I wanted. I am more disappointed by loss of theme and options.
Yeah it sucks(still salty, but warscroll recovery eased it), but the nice thing about the command abilities of those two lords is that they affect ALL mortal units. Honestly I will miss the mounted lord, but hey they might be working on a plastic version, could be the reason why they removed our lords.
GW keep mentioning warcry so maybe we might get something through that?
auticus wrote: Warcry is for Warcry though. Something being available for Warcry is not the same aa being usable in AOS proper.
It really depends though on what the long term plan for Warcry is. We've already seen new furies within Warcry which suggests that even if its a stand alone game some or all of its components might well be mainstream. Ergo that its rather like a collection of 4 duel army boxes themed around Chaos mortals. It could also be half and half; some models being mainstream others being like Shadspire releases.
I think the biggest issue with hoping for Warcry to remedy things is scale.
I bought the Shadespire skeletons because they are really cool models and because they were the only new Death models since the release of Age of Sigmar. I had no plans to play Shadespire anytime soon, and since they got a warscroll for AoS you'd think everything worked out just fine. But let's be honest, how far are you going to get with seven skeletons in a game like Age of Sigmar?
I wouldn't particularly enjoy building, painting or playing a unit of 20 or 30 Marauders made up of (probably minor variations of) the same 6 to 8 models. It's better than nothing. The kits will likely be great for the game they are designed for. But upscaling to army size is not something I expect them to achieve in any satisfactory way.
I think of Darkoath the same way. I have the Godsworn Hunt along with both Darkoath characters, all lovely models in their own right. But you can't make an army of that. The Warcry models may have weapon options, at best with with entire arm and head swaps, and that alone will give them an edge over the available Darkoath models. But since they show a lot of skin they'll be pretty much monopose with little variation (not to mention that GW makes many models that could be designed to be multipose monopose for no good reason).
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
timetowaste85 wrote: Looks like they also cut out the mounted Herald as well. It only exists on foot or chariot.
It was just an upgrade option on the foot herald warscroll that you had to pay points for even if you didn't take.
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Automatically Appended Next Post: I like to run really durable characters/combos, so I theorized out how I would do Fyreslayers;
-Runefather on 'Droth (General - Iron Will, Trait - Coal-Heart)
-Runesmiter on 'Droth (Artifact - Salamander Cloak, Trait - Ash-Horn, Prayer - Prayer of Ash)
-Battlesmith (Artifact - Nulnsidian Icon)
-Auric Hearthguard x10
The 'Droth characters move around in a 'V' with the battlesmith & aurics behind them. The whole blob is +1 to saves and ignores spells on a 4+. It needs a battalion somewhere in the army for the extra artifact & trait.
The battlesmith has a 3+ save, look out sir and the aurics intercept damage for him on a 4+. The runefather is a 2+ re-roll 1s and reduces rend on incoming attacks by 1. The runesmiter is a 3+ re-roll 1s, a 5+ FnP, and his prayer grants a further +1 to saves.
Not saying this is broken (920 points and needs a battalion somewhere), just a fun theory-craft for running a really durable character blob.
Try a gryfyred lodge it lets you take 2 extra relics though you must take the set trait and ability, but thats not that much of a bother as it seems designed for character blobs.
auticus wrote: Until we know for sure, warcry is its own thing. Necromunda has yet to be injected into 40k proper as well and thats our closest comparison.
Not really since Necromunda Gangs are not really part of any faction what so ever. The closest you could get would be putting them in Imperial Guard, but even then it would require quite a be reworking to make them fit into the lore since if they were recruited they'd be stripped of their ganger features and given a generic uniform, equipment and rank.
Warcry is using models that are clearly directly usable in a Chaos army within AoS without any modification of lore or aesthetic design of the army. Heck we've got furies appearing and they are a core model already within the range (though the new ones blow the old ones out of the water by miles)
Ok. When they release warcry and give rules for aos ill reconsider my stance. Until then, them robbing slaanesh of mortal followers and going the additional mile of preventing you from using the slaves to darkness models by making the synergy keyword hedonist instead of slaanesh, unlike the other three chaos gods, was a step too far for those of us that are here for the mortal followers of chaos.
Its been almost FOUR years now since aos release and the missing factions. I wish i could fathom the continuous kicking of the bee hive. They had to know what excluding mortals was going to do reaction wise.
The what if warcry speculation does little to allay that. No one knows anything about warcry.
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Yeah the rules for the new terrain piece are nifty and very Slaaneshi. I certainly like them.
Automatically Appended Next Post: In other news, squig lovers rejoice! Not only a box set but a great new character model that exudes the same mania all the other new squigs do. I think the only complaint would be it not being available sooner. We know why, but on the upside I would think it's worth waiting a few months in exchange for what is essentially start collecting: squigs.
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I'm hoping something was missed and that things that join a SLAANESH army gain hedonist, otherwise the book is merely called Daemons of Slaanesh as the mortals aren't too keen and going BoC is cute, but has to dip daemons to get some extra benefit.
Nearly 3k+ points of Slaanesh (AoS)
2500 points of Ironjawz
Too many points of Space Marines.
So I have just finished going through the crunch of the battletome in detail, I think it is both better and worse than it initially seems.
The good; this battletome is clearly designed with counter-play in mind. It has an answer for just about every gimmick, a way to counter just about every build. But it struggles to bring all of that at once, forcing builds to choose what they will bring and if it is worth giving up a more conventionally effective option. Going along with the complexity of counter play is units which are mostly straightforward with what they do, meaning the army does not become over-complex to the point of being a pain to play in the practical sense.
The warscrolls have seen some redesign that rounds the army out well. Seeker chariots work conventionally with the added Slaanesh flavor of retreating and charging while hellmowers now function in a 'get stuck in' role that makes them different, and the exalted chariot is the expensive option that does both. Hellstriders now act as less speedy but more durable cavalry and are a straightforward combat unit instead of being really complex in their use.
However, there is an issue I see in the KoS. Up front it seems fine; powerful with a point cost which reflects that. But it has a really strong ability to generate summon points, meaning an army bringing several does not suffer from the low model count that normally counteracts a behemoth-heavy build. They also have the ability to heal a strong amount just from weapon options, and can use spells/artifacts to boost that. This means their summon point generation capacity goes up more in addition to giving them staying power. Combined with bringing in new units I can see keeper-based builds having both strong offense and potent win-by-attrition ability. It is very dangerous from a balance perspective to have an army which does both of these things, and I will be interested if we start to see triple-keeper builds rise to the top of the pack.
Great video from Vince Venturella regarding the AoS preview Q+A. Quite a few details that weren’t in the WHC article:
Noteworthy details for those that can’t/won’t watch the 50 minute vid(in no particular order, going off memory after watching):
1000 point tourney is more indepth then just base AoS rules at 1000 points. Its not just half sized armies.
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At least 1 more Battletome coming for each Grand Alliancethis year - Huge news!
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Mercenary rules are not just for narrative play. Its a small narratively driven list of units that are balanced(pointswise) for Matched play. But they were clear its not soup. They expect it not to be a big hit in matched play.
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Tourney Templates to guide TOs will be in GHB. Thats awesome, just for the sake of uniformity, and to help anyone who is on the fence about running a tourney.
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They showed the GHB points calculator.
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Warcry models aren’t monopose! Didn’t think they were, but I was worried.
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More non-human races will be part of the Chaos warbands.
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More warbands will be added from non-chaos factions. Thats in addition to the non-chaos warband symbols we saw that will have rules at launch.
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Chaos Warbands will most likely have “Slaves to Darkness” keyword in AoS.
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Organized play kits will be sent out, like in Warhammer Underworlds.
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Developer mentioned that Archaon isn’t idle while Nagash and Sigmar have their Soul War. Make of that what you will.
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Looncurse stocking issue was a miscalculation in how much they thought they would sell. Didn’t say they’d re-release it, just that they understood the frustration and will endeavor to not make that mistake with new boxed sets moving forward.
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Looking into selling just cards for Underworlds
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AoS all factions supported in 2 years is the goal. Schedule is laid out to accomplish that goal, with one caveat: Faction formats may change. Combined factions, re-imagined factions.
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They know that unsupported factions are holding back a portion of the growth of AoS, so its a serious issue to them.
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Last bit is Contrast paints, which I tuned out at. I’d rather wait for hands on experience. If there is anything pertinent to AoS after he talks about Contrast paints, put it in the thread!
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"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
Does this year General's Handbook'll come in two separated books that you have to buy? Because in the warhammer article the pitched battle profiles are another book. Or phampleft.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
Galas wrote: Does this year General's Handbook'll come in two separated books that you have to buy? Because in the warhammer article the pitched battle profiles are another book. Or phampleft.
No, single combined purchase. Reason stated was that there will be stuff that carries over from the main GHB book, and they don’t want those discarded. VV used the 2017 GHB as an example, it has useful stuff that isn’t in 18.
My purely unsubstantiated hope with the separate pamphlet is that it will see revisions, additions and re-releases multiple times a year to adjust points in a more timely manner. I’d happily drop a $5 or $10 on updated points quarterly pamphlet.
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"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
Thanks for the bullet points nels! Sounds great on a lot of fronts. How far into the vid do they show the GHB points calculator? If it is just a formula... Well the fan comps that based points solely off formula died off, and for good reason. It would explain a lot.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Thanks for the bullet points nels! Sounds great on a lot of fronts. How far into the vid do they show the GHB points calculator? If it is just a formula... Well the fan comps that based points solely off formula died off, and for good reason. It would explain a lot.
VV starts talkiing about the points calculator at around 3;30 into the vid. I kind of glossed over it, as that stuff bores me.
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"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
NinthMusketeer wrote: Thanks for the bullet points nels! Sounds great on a lot of fronts. How far into the vid do they show the GHB points calculator? If it is just a formula... Well the fan comps that based points solely off formula died off, and for good reason. It would explain a lot.
VV starts talkiing about the points calculator at around 3;30 into the vid. I kind of glossed over it, as that stuff bores me.
Ah, thanks again.
The process he described had an initial formula modified by playtesting, which is good. But I started to get suspicious; it sounded like they gave the impression of going through a lot of iterations and a very deep point-calculating process which I simply cannot reconcile with the results.
You know when Daughters of Khaine came out it reminded me that AoS doesn't really have a vampire faction as such. In fact the vampires its got are sort of to the side of things right now in the game side of things; all rolled in with impressive skeleton models. Heck even the Black Coach has basically been stolen by the bed-sheet ghosts.
So a new updated vampire force would be really neat to see.
That or a return of an undead faction with a distinct north-eastern African influence and constructs.
Overread wrote: You know when Daughters of Khaine came out it reminded me that AoS doesn't really have a vampire faction as such.
Soulblight is actually its own thing with traits, abilities and artefacts but it has indeed been sidelined by Legions. I'm also hoping for a new take on them.
4000+
6000+ Order. Unity. Obedience.
Thousand Sons 4000+
