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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/23 12:45:23
Subject: Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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Fixture of Dakka
CL VI Store in at the Cyber Center of Excellence
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RiTides wrote:Or, projects shouldn't make super limited rewards people have to rush to pledge for! In this one, you could pledge day 1 at a discount, but not know what you're getting.
Malifaux's current KS is even more extreme, week 1 pledge bonus, week 2 bonus, and now a possible bonus figure if enough folks up their pledges.
If you want to follow the KS model of stretches and getting current backers to up pledges, you have to deal with their decreasing pledges, too. Nature of the platform, and particularly, the way it is being used (which is not bad, imo, despite this drawback).
As someone who backed out of this I can address this.
As mentioned, to get a price break we were encouraged (by a discount) to pledge early. I did so, based on the look of some of the figures. Once some information on game play was released I realized that this was not a game I was going to play. Some of the figures are fantastic, but they were not going to work with anything else I played and I don't need a ton of figures with no purpose. Had the game been more of a skirmish or similar type game vice the area and resource and advance your character type I would have bought into it. Had I known more about the game up front I would not have pledged as much as I did (I pledged for the Black Friday special and then the first two expansions and added in some extra towards future add-ins I knew were coming though I did not know what they were).
I am VERY sure someone jumped on the available Black Friday slot when it opened.
Forcing folks to pay a penalty to back out may make sense, but I submit that it will come at the cost of less pledges, especially when the project information is initially not very detailed. Also, my reasons for backing out are not the only reason people do back out. If you pledge the $300 for the all the bonuses, and then have a real life emergency (car break down, hot water heater goes out, accident or health change in self or family member, whatever...) you may darned well need the $300 plus. Grabbing a chunk of it as a penalty could cause a lot of resentment and hardship for some folks.
I'm not saying there is not merrit to having some penalty, but there sure as heck better be CLEAR and up-front terms as to how and why it is applied and what the cost to the pledger is. I suspect Amazon, who has a really good product return policy, may be reluctant to do something like that, and I also suspect that the potential cost will deter some folks from pledging or change the amount they will pledge which hurts projects.
I also submit that if you want to do something like this, you need to go the other direction too, if a project fails to deliver, or fails to deliver what it should and on time, the project should incur a penalty and backers should get at least some percentage of their money returned. If you want to force backers into not backing out, then you should also force projects to deliver according to the info they provide those backers during the kickstarter... Good for the goose/good for the gander and all that.
Jake
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/23 13:37:03
Subject: Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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Another big issue that I am quite certain would arise to penitalize backers that withdraw their pledges is that more people would wait until the last very few days/hours before deciding to join. This would mean that less stretches would be unlocked, which would also result in that less people would want to join. The more stretches, the better deal, the more people.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/23 15:11:10
Subject: Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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I've seen a picture of the pheonix armor bits, and it is basically a small sprue's worth, with options, which is pretty cool. Will all the "armors" be like that? I'd be more interested at that point. Are the kings men multipart models with any options, or a single monopose figure?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/23 15:18:53
Subject: Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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[DCM]
Dankhold Troggoth
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kestral- I'm pretty certain from the pics that the kingsmen are monopose (perhaps even a single piece?) figures.
They would make GREAT statues painted as granite  a la the old static GW Emperor's Champion. There was a great pic of that painted as a statue with a Red Terror wrapped around it for Golden Demon that I can't find atm... with an extra 5 of the kingsmen, and the watcher and Phoenix, you could make a great diorama using them as statues ringed around an open space. It's actually what I had thought to do with the extras myself (or commission someone to do).
The armor kits obviously have a lot more options, not sure if they're all as extensive as the phoenix or not.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/23 16:19:17
Subject: Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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All the armour kits are multi-part, multipose kits (makes 2 male and 2 female figures per kit), you get them either in the box game, with the survivor package or with some of the expansions
You can also buy extras of the rawhide and phoenix armour kits (only these two at the moment).
1 kit = $25 (4 minis)
5 kits = $50 (20 minis) Note you can't mix and match, pick rawhide OR phoenix
be aware that thse figures are LARGE (35mm) and may not mix well with other fantasy ranges, check out the BOLS article for a comparison shot (not saying you don't realise this, but it's worht putting in for those not keeping up with the thread
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/12/kingdom-death-monster-preview-pt-1.html
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/23 16:43:33
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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Twisted Trueborn with Blaster
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You can also buy extra Spider Silk armor kits. Is anyone else super stoked to find out what the Sunstalker expansion is like? Adam said it's his favorite content wise, so it must be pretty sweet! The armor silhouettes look sick as well.
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Kingdom Death Fanatic. Dark Eldar: Kabal of the Fragile Breath. Dark Elves: Allegiance to the Black Crown. Also, Masons, Cygnar, and Legion of Everblight. All unnamed.
Manchu wrote:The Fragile Breath wrote: . . . something but I was distracted by the username.
Holy gak that is an awesome username. Please tell me your army is called Kabal of the Fragile Breath. Morathi's Darkest Sin has some competition here for best handle, I think. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/24 23:31:46
Subject: Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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Fafnir wrote:That's assuming you're just going for volume of plastic.
Furthermore, a kickstarter shouldn't be about "gaming the system," but actually backing a project.
It depends on how/who you're doing this with. For example, my wife plays games with me and is learning to paint. Even though I buy most of the toys in this genre, she also buys her own figures, dice, boardgames etc from time to time. If I were all over this KS and she were as well (and paying $300-odd herself), there should be no issues with both of us going in, even though we're at the same address and a couple. She went in on Kings of War and Judge Dredd herself, after all.. Probably a more common scenario - if two brothers sharing a house went in individually, there should also be no issue.
And hell, two pledges of $300 each is hardly "gaming the system" anyway - it's a ton of money... if people wanted to go down this route I could summon Zwei and a conversation about "pre-orders on Kickstarter"... Automatically Appended Next Post: grefven wrote:Another big issue that I am quite certain would arise to penitalize backers that withdraw their pledges is that more people would wait until the last very few days/hours before deciding to join. This would mean that less stretches would be unlocked, which would also result in that less people would want to join. The more stretches, the better deal, the more people.
I certainly wouldn't be pledging before the 11th hour. On anything.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/24 23:48:28
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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[MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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I've read all the wish lists and I've thought long and hard about a holiday gift for everyone that has been sharing these last few weeks with me and this crazy campaign.
Tomorrow I will be posting the details, for now you'll just have to look at the box!
If you are pledging on someone else's behalf, Anna made this cute little e-card that you are free to use. Just right click on it and select "save-as", feel free to email or print it out.

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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/25 00:02:51
Subject: Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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My Christmas Wish is for a well-laid out pictograph map of what you get in the base game and Survivor. Like the ones Unca McVey made.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/25 00:36:20
Subject: Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Let's be nice for Christmas. ~ Manchu
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/25 00:55:52
Subject: Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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[DCM]
Dankhold Troggoth
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On Christmas eve, Coldfire? Probably want to edit that out.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/25 01:49:38
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
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Yeah! You...
MONSTER.
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Desubot wrote:Why isnt Slut Wars: The Sexpocalypse a real game dammit.
"It's easier to change the rules than to get good at the game." |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/25 05:31:41
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Christmas is the season of giving though
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I RIDE FOR DOOMTHUMBS! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/25 15:13:37
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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To be fair though, Scipio is a bit of a Rain Cloud at times... but we still love him!
Merry Christmas all!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/25 16:20:27
Subject: Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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Fixture of Dakka
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800k hit!
Merry Christmas everyone!
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Black Bases and Grey Plastic Forever:My quaint little hobby blog.
40k- The Kumunga Swarm (more)
Count Mortimer’s Private Security Force/Excavation Team  (building)
Kabal of the Grieving Widow (less)
Plus other games- miniature and cardboard both. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/25 18:44:29
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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Mutating Changebringer
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And a Christmas gift from Kingdom Death;
Thank you Gift!
Update #35 · Dec. 25, 2012 · 25 comments
I gotta admit, trying to figure out a gift for everyone was really tough! I've been reading wish lists, creating spreadsheets and getting totally overwhelmed!
I was working on my laptop, hanging out with everyone while they cooked for today's party when finally a really simple thought struck me. I thought, why don't I get a little more personal and give everyone something that means a lot to me.
My gift to you friends, family, fans, backers and supporters is the single piece of all of Kingdom Death that is the most significant to me. The Twilight Knight. Anyone that pledges their support at any level that includes physical goods being shipped to you, will get a plastic Twilight Knight.
The Twilight Knight was the very first character and the first imagined part of Kingdom Death. To me, he is the main character, the potential protagonist of hundreds of stories ( ell ending in death naturally ) and the thankless hero to many. He stands toe to toe with nightmares and stares into the incomprehensible depths that would instantly drive a normal man to insanity. What is to me, so special about the Twilight Knight is that he isn't really special. He is not a force of nature, nor a super powered human, magically fueled by an entity for any reason. He is a man who's had his poor brain scrambled, given a weird sword and a cloak made from barely understood nightmares ( his cloak is basically a watcher clock tho it would be very hard to explain the details of this quickly ) and sent out to try and preserve the little shreds of mankind he comes across. To me he represents some of the great sacrifices one would have to make in order to even have the slightest chance of survival.
Taking the character to concept art and finally a sculpted incarnation, was a very long winded task! It took a Months to find a artist I was both excited about and was willing to work with me. For anyone else out there who wants to put a project together.. one of the hardest parts is the start. Once I had the artwork, I had to find another artist a sculptor and oh man… the poor twilight knight was sculpted a total of 4 times. I am not talking about variations on him, I mean the very same character!
The first time was with Eli Livingston a Brooklyn based sculptor whom I can't even remember how we got in contact with each other. He does sculpting stuff mostly for movies and while he never sculpted a miniature, he was excited about giving it a try. 9 months later I had a figure I was well, not satisfied with. I thanked him, paid him for his time and moved on. The second person to sculpt the Twilight Knight was a young sculpted named Domenico Ambrosecchia , he sculpted the alternate twilight knight thats included in the gift of death gift box. I quite like it, but I know it could not be the final version of the character. I and been chatting on and off with Michael Bigard aka MIKH. He was very kind and loved the early Kingdom Death concept art. He enthusiastically provided me with a lot of sculptors to contact and some friendly advice. i talked him into sculpting a Twilight Knight which as well… been sitting unfinished for many years now. Mikh told me that he was having some troubles as an artist and was unsure if he could finish in any sort of timely fashion he offered his apologizes to myself and the project.
So while I can totally understand what happened… I was left with no final Twilight Knight! I approached Yannick Hennabo with the project, a french sculptor that does a lot of work with Mike McvVey and Infinity miniatures. This was our first project together and honestly, I was willing to just give it a shot. Worst case scenario I would just have him commissioned again. However, Yannick's sculpted incarnation of the character, took my breath away. I was floored, enchanted and just electrified with excitement.
Due to a shipping mishap, the Knights Sword was broken and part of it lost in the mail. The caster made a new one and well… It was ok. When I finally had the resin figure assembled and in my hands I kept eyeing the sword. Over the course of a few more months… I just couldn't take it anymore. The minor imperfection in the newly made sword blossomed into a full blown concept of his weapon. Why did it look the way it does? Its supposed to be a very important blade and really its always feel by the wayside. The artist's job was to focus on the character, his weapon was always a second thought. This showed thru in the sculpting stage and when the "imperfect" sword was lost, I decide that it was the perfect opportunity to revisit the sword and treat it as its own character.
I worked with the artist and we created a much better realized version of the Twilight Sword. A long and heavy signature weapon, requiring both strength and finesse to wield properly. It's emblem-less hilt and the strange parchment wrapped around the blade grip. To me, it was the perfect envisioning of the weapon and Thomas David agreed to sculpt it for him.
Finally this project after nearly 4 years of work and several different artists was complete. No other character has such a long story that affected so many people. His pinup incarnation has proven to be the most popular miniature in the Kingdom Death range and now I fondly gift to you the character she was based on. The Twilight Knight, a character & sculpture that means a tremendous amount to me personally.
Thank you SO VERY MUCH for being part of this kickstarter and happy holidays!
Now for the biggest update image EVER!

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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/25 19:01:02
Subject: Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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[DCM]
Dankhold Troggoth
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Perfect! That is my favorite model of his. I consider it and the Flower Knight to be true masterpieces.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/25 19:02:30
Subject: Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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Pretty cool gift, and very cool story - and a welcome addition to the Kingdom Death Kickstarter!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/25 19:59:38
Subject: Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Superb
and really good to see the evlution of KD involved in it
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/26 09:34:50
Subject: Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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Dakka Veteran
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A perfect Christmas gift. It would have been even more cool had the Twilight Pinup been added as an optional miniature. :p
Adam's favourite miniature together with the fan's favourite miniature. A perfect combination.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/26 09:47:03
Subject: Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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grefven wrote:A perfect Christmas gift. It would have been even more cool had the Twilight Pinup been added as an optional miniature. :p
Adam's favourite miniature together with the fan's favourite miniature. A perfect combination. 
She may arrive in time, I am sure
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/26 10:04:09
Subject: Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Fafnir wrote:Sounds like a pretty silly reason to pull out, but whatever. It's Kickstarter. This is Dakka. The combination creates irrational behaviour in a number of our members.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/26 12:18:55
Subject: Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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Renegade Inquisitor with a Bound Daemon
Tied and gagged in the back of your car
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All this great news right on the heels of me finishing painting up my resin Twilight Knight (pictures sometime... Maybe...). Kind of disappointed for myself, but the Twilight Knight is a truly amazing sculpt, and I'm glad more people will be getting it.
Only downside I'm seeing is that my knight never came with a certificate of authenticity(weird), so I can't flaunt my knight's legitness above others. His paintjob will have to do that for me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/26 15:20:17
Subject: Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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There is a great Fan Made Calculator made by Jamie who calls it the Death Toll
http://kdm.host56.com/
Give it a try (on the PC Chrome and Firefox work great, IE9 does not)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/26 16:35:50
Subject: Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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I know it is Holiday Week, but I was kind of hoping for a quick update on what the details are for the $800K goal, and what is next!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/26 16:54:21
Subject: Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
The best State-Texas
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Alpharius wrote:I know it is Holiday Week, but I was kind of hoping for a quick update on what the details are for the $800K goal, and what is next! 
Looks like the Sunstalker Infant, from the picture.
I'm curious to see the Armor made from it.
I wonder if the King is going to be revealed at 1mil?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/26 17:07:19
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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Twisted Trueborn with Blaster
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Nah, it's too tall to be an infant, the infant model looks short and stubby (as it should), this one seems much more sleek. Adam confirmed it's *at least 1,000 years old. I know I've been referring to it as an ancient Sunstalker, which I may continue to do, as it has a nice ring to it!
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Kingdom Death Fanatic. Dark Eldar: Kabal of the Fragile Breath. Dark Elves: Allegiance to the Black Crown. Also, Masons, Cygnar, and Legion of Everblight. All unnamed.
Manchu wrote:The Fragile Breath wrote: . . . something but I was distracted by the username.
Holy gak that is an awesome username. Please tell me your army is called Kabal of the Fragile Breath. Morathi's Darkest Sin has some competition here for best handle, I think. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/26 17:17:03
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
The best State-Texas
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The Fragile Breath wrote:Nah, it's too tall to be an infant, the infant model looks short and stubby (as it should), this one seems much more sleek. Adam confirmed it's *at least 1,000 years old. I know I've been referring to it as an ancient Sunstalker, which I may continue to do, as it has a nice ring to it!
Looking closer, you may be right. I'm interested to see it revealed none the less!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/26 18:13:03
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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Fixture of Dakka
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interesting post by Ed from Trollforged on his KS update:
Hey everyone I wanted you to see a few samples we cast last week for us and also other possible clients. These are samples mind you quickly rushed but gives everyone the idea how these will work and look when finished. It also shows how planning can prevent a lot of issues in the casting process. I picked a very delicate sculpt from Kingdom Death (Hope Adam does not mind), and a very thick odd shaped base. This shows you more how everything will look. My sculpts are being done with the process in mind directly and will be some of the best around because of this.
Full update here: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/131182444/assimilation-alien-host/posts/375725
Pin Up Preacher test piece in Trollcast.
Looks very promising and I hope they can work together as it seems Ed has plans to further expand his business next year.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/26 18:26:28
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
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Aspirant Tech-Adept
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Impressive. Very impressive for being "quickly rushed".
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