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Lookin' good!

Can't tell from your pics yet, but were you planning on chamfering the barrel edges like they have it in that reference pic you're using?

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 Dynas wrote:
How heavy is that assault cannon. PVC can start to add up in weight. I might be concerned with the gun arm being able to support that.


About 2 pounds(916grams) curiously enough just about the same weight as the Sunfury Laser Blaster.


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 Jin wrote:
Lookin' good!

Can't tell from your pics yet, but were you planning on chamfering the barrel edges like they have it in that reference pic you're using?


They are chamfered but hard to tell from the images plus the barrels will receive chamfered inserts to lessen the caliber.

Now here is the 64 dollar question; are the bores in the picture round or oval?

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They are drawn at a strange angle, but are for sure oval. I think it is meant to represent a round barrel though.
   
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By the way, Blackadder - I don't know if you've seen it yet or not, but Forgeworld is about to be putting out a new Warbringer class titan. It mounts a rather large Quake Cannon which might inspire you. I believe you've said you're not a fan of large ballistic weapons for titans, and for the most part I'd agree with you, but this might change your mind.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/11/26/a-new-class-of-titanfw-homepage-post-1/
   
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Bob Lorgar wrote:
By the way, Blackadder - I don't know if you've seen it yet or not, but Forgeworld is about to be putting out a new Warbringer class titan. It mounts a rather large Quake Cannon which might inspire you. I believe you've said you're not a fan of large ballistic weapons for titans, and for the most part I'd agree with you, but this might change your mind.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/11/26/a-new-class-of-titanfw-homepage-post-1/


The first thing I noticed about this new Titan is the weapons were the same as the Reaver's which gave me the idea that the new titan was an attempt to upgrade the Reaver's appearance and hinted at the size of the new Titan which apparently is little bigger than the Reaver Class.

The thing I am bothered by is the bias that FW displays against Titans for other races and factions.

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I was just thinking about the design of any additional guns going on the upper structure of your current project.

And yes, it is supposed to be between the Reaver and Warlord in size.
   
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Not where I should be

Please forgive me Blackadder, but talking of other races, and by way of incentive, the race is on buddy...

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I am going with removable rooms to make things easier and more playable inside the beasty, just a thought with you looking upwards. Making smaller room boxes that together make the whole.

I am nowhere near your level of brilliance, and I hope you do not mind me sharing here, but thought it may give you a boost to know how much you inspire me.




 
   
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 Camkierhi wrote:
Please forgive me Blackadder, but talking of other races, and by way of incentive, the race is on buddy...


I am going with removable rooms to make things easier and more playable inside the beasty, just a thought with you looking upwards. Making smaller room boxes that together make the whole.

I am nowhere near your level of brilliance, and I hope you do not mind me sharing here, but thought it may give you a boost to know how much you inspire me.


Ha! I should have gone Orc. I agonize over a fraction of a millimeter discrepancy. The OrcK corral* motif is funtastic


*Wyatt Earp: reference OK Corral

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Wow I can’t get over the fine work you have done on this. I think you have a better supply of evergreen styrene then most hobby shops I ever visited.

Dave
   
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I think I'll Have To Add Another Barrel:

Not much going on with the model these days. I've got 3/4 of a year working on these two guns and am nowhere near finished. For example today I spent reducing the bore of the five o'clock position barrel which gratifyingly finally looks right (to me).

https://i.imgur.com/FdGlpjo.jpg


I did a quick setup of the hull to take these pictures and have something posted before Christmas.

https://i.imgur.com/xGathUi.jpg


I made the barrels extra long so I could adjust the length with a minimum of refabricating

https://i.imgur.com/kko672F.jpg


it seems I must adjust them by a ninth

https://i.imgur.com/oHB0eGA.jpg


To match the picture and the Sunfury Annihilator Turbo Laser.

Have a Happy Holiday.


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Couldn’t wait to get home to see the update, my stupid work blocks your pictures . Really great seeing the Titan beginning to take on more shape with the body and arms positioned together.

Keep up the glorious work. Merry Christmas.

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That is shaping up to be another great looking weapon!

   
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Weapons are looking gorgeous, BA. And the face is looking very scary in that last pic!
   
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A Cog Disc

The more I build this thing the more I think these are actually revolving barrels. But they are energy weapons so what is the point???

Anyway my production schedule has been compromised by the Holiday Festivities I made time today to make the Cogged backing chamber for the barrels

https://i.imgur.com/10kf0vn.jpg


You can see by the image below that it looks like the backing plate and the barrels rotate as a single piece

https://i.imgur.com/C5XZ2u6.jpg


Anyway the component is straight forward and simple to replicate thanks to the Waffle material; the Fluorescent Light Diffuser Panel.

https://i.imgur.com/fpkT8hb.jpg

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Do you not see the big square L-bracket that is between the gear and the barrels?

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Yeah no I don’t think that that barrel turns from the way that L bracket is mounted. No space for the gear.

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Alrighty then, I got some WORK I did for you. I threw up a quick and dirty 3d model in Blender, matching it as closely as I could to the picture.



As you can see, this is fairly close to the image. But, in making it, I discovered some... wonky bits.

For example...



Did you realize that the bottom arm, in order to both be as wide as the back bracket, and be as narrow as that front mounting support, has to taper, a LOT?

Also, speaking of brackets-



This is the "L-bracket" we were talking about. Note how it's between the gear and the barrels, and there doesn't appear (in the titan picture) to be any bearings or races for spinning. So unless the barrels are mounted to a central shaft with NO breech whatsoever (and there's no wear or oil streaks suggesting rotation on the plate) then they have to be stationary.

If you want the Blender file, I could put that up online as well.

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Alrighty then, I got some WORK I did for you. I threw up a quick and dirty 3d model in Blender, matching it as closely as I could to the picture.

Did you realize that the bottom arm, in order to both be as wide as the back bracket, and be as narrow as that front mounting support, has to taper, a LOT?

This is the "L-bracket" we were talking about. Note how it's between the gear and the barrels, and there doesn't appear (in the titan picture) to be any bearings or races for spinning. So unless the barrels are mounted to a central shaft with NO breech whatsoever (and there's no wear or oil streaks suggesting rotation on the plate) then they have to be stationary.

If you want the Blender file, I could put that up online as well.


Wow! This is an interesting reveal and I do appreciate the amount of work you put into these 3D drawings. Much of what you discovered is certainly worth my investigation but you cannot take the artist's work too literally otherwise the cannons' bore would be decidedly oval or elliptical and the Titan itself would have to be standing in a deep valley behind the Mountain crags in the foreground plus the suspicious perspective of the various ladders and access panel/doors visible at either end of the barrels.

While this is one of my favorite Warlord paintings I do not subscribe to an ambulatory combat vehicle several orders of magnitude larger than physically probable.

Interesting that you used Blender. I toyed with the idea of learning to use Blender but cannot find the time with my new workload. This is the first post on any forum I frequent in quite some time and so impressed was I at the magnitude of your effort I had to respond to you.

Thanks,

B

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Yeah, Blender's nice as a hobby program, because of it's free nature, and how much you can do with the single program- it's also got a lot of learning resources out there for free as well. But I will admit that it is DEEP. Like, I've been using it for almost a decade and there's still a ton I haven't even scraped the surface on.

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So about that pvc to styrene thing.

just the other night i was watching some prop maker named odin who was doing the barber-sol can from Jurassic park.

Apparently you can glue pvc to styrene using weld-on 4 cement (IIRC)

will double check later when i can but if it does then neat.

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And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!

 
   
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Eight into Five just don't go evenly;

Cogs that is. Yeah I know but that's what the image calls for. It was either eight or nine and there wasn't space for nine cogs. I could have done six but the spacing would have been too great. No matter how you slice it the revolving chamber just doesn't work. But you know I just don't care anymore. I'm tired of playing with these guns

https://i.imgur.com/M7Jc32J.jpg


Last night was the first time in three weeks I actually had time to work on this thing since New Years.

https://i.imgur.com/xMwHSlu.jpg


I've decided that the 5 barrels remain stationary and the cylinder revolves. Don't ask me how or why but dimmit that's the way it's gotta be.

https://i.imgur.com/qYlONTk.jpg


Now I've gotta adjust the barrel length and the support carriage.

https://i.imgur.com/mCUqsMZ.jpg


And get this show back on the road.

https://i.imgur.com/dOnd5s2.jpg


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It is very easy to imagine the loader/breech rotating to feed the fixed barrels. That's my story, and I'm sticking with it!

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This is what happens when the illustrator's don't try to make a working model first.

   
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Or the rotation of the gear drives some sort of massive magnetic coil that causes a helical magnetic field which guides the LASERs.

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I think that for your sanity and the ongoing progress of this project, you made the right call.
   
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Egad! I've forgotten how this thing goes together!

It's been six or so months since this Emperor Titan took a header (fortunately without sustaining much damage) and it was, at the time, inexpedient to reassemble the completed components. So this past week I've been trying to figure out HOW I BUILT THE D@MNED THING! All the body components interlock together without glue to facilitate assembly and disassembly (So I can add the interior detail when I get to it) but there are 20 to 30 major components and the sequence of how they are assembled has been trial and error. HA!

https://i.imgur.com/ErYsfTT.jpg


Anyway here is what it looked like before it toppled and we can go from there.

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Yay! He's back

What I'm really looking forward to is what you do with the top (cathedral?) level. Will you be scratching everything, or using some of GW's buildings?
   
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 War Drone wrote:
Yay! He's back

What I'm really looking forward to is what you do with the top (cathedral?) level. Will you be scratching everything, or using some of GW's buildings?


It's a good question but I won't be using GW's buildings as such but cut them up as needed as shown on the lower body and I'll tell you why.

There are many Emperor Titans made of GW's CoD and they look odd to me because the buildings are boxy and Titans are too square looking just stacking buildings above their shoulders.

Aesthetically a vehicle's superstructure should taper. Even the Box-like greaves on My own Titan taper toward the top.

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Just so you know I've been following your various projects for years. I often only come onto dakka just to check if this plog has an update.

I get the feeling that it's been a bit of a slog getting the weapons sorted but I hope you manage to get your momentum back for the rest of this incredible build!
   
 
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