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Ifalna wrote:Rage levels just reached critical mass.
Login to multiplayer and spawn on top of my castle wall. Hear a ruckus and look over the edge -
Sit there wondering how the feth that even happened, its the middle of the day, there are no other mobs anywhere. Hang over the edge just enough to get a screeny, and turn around only to see another directly behind me on the castle which explodes, sending me straaaaaight on top of those 5. The crater is unreal. I don't even..
shrike wrote:Well, a few of my friends are getting it, including one who's completely addicted (enough to get him away from COD- ), so I'm definitely gonna get one.
BTW is it possible to build stuff underground? If so, I'm having soooooooo many underground passages...
and bunkers...
all around a castle...
Yeah, underground is a possibility. I've got a huge underground network of mines along with farms for trees, wheat, sugarcane, mobs, and cactus. One of us has an entirely underground base. It is MINEcraft after all.
mattyrm wrote: I will bro fist a toilet cleaner.
I will chainfist a pretentious English literature student who wears a beret.
I might do that...massive network of tunnels, with a small, normal door above ground leading down.
go through a tiny door...goes underground...another door...massive hallway, leading off in about 6 directions are passages leading to different places...lol...
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Indeed it is minecraft. But it won't be for long if they make torches limited use and don't restore the ability to make infinite fire fireplaces.
Eh, if dakka gets a server I'll think about buying. Or if there's a general consensus on where to go at any rate.
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DS:90-S++G+++M++B++I+Plotr06#+D+++A++++/eWD251R+++T(Ot)DM+ JB: I like the concept of a free Shrike roaming through the treetops of the jungle. I'm not sure that I like the idea of a real Shrike sitting on my couch eating my Skittles. corpsesarefun: Thank god I missed be nice to shrike day. greenskin lynn: because of all the skittles and soda, you basically live off sugar water, like some sort of freakish human-hummingbird hybrid.
Notch is supposedly going to add in lanterns (iron plus glowstone dust I believe) and make torches temporary, though all existing torches will become lanterns.
I'm really not sure if he is actually going through with it though.
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It would be a significant change as light would get expensive. You wouldn't be able to spam torches willy nilly to make a place mob proof. In fact to conserve what I'd almost certainly wind up doing is instead of just leaving tunnels full of torches and heading off into infinity I'd take the torches down when I finished a shaft and then blockade the entrance to it.
It would place more importance upon getting to the nether, only source of glowstone, but even Notch has said the Nether itself is boring and rather pointless. This would give it a point, but do nothing about the boring.
mattyrm wrote: I will bro fist a toilet cleaner.
I will chainfist a pretentious English literature student who wears a beret.
Melissia wrote:Notch is supposedly going to add in lanterns (iron plus glowstone dust I believe) and make torches temporary, though all existing torches will become lanterns.
I'm really not sure if he is actually going through with it though.
I thought this got debunked and instead lanterns will become an item you can carry so that you always give off light. Might be wrong though.
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One way to make the nether more interesting is to have certain ores more common there, maybe gold being more common in the netherrack thus why zombie pigmen have gold swords.
Mind you that would still require Notch make gold not useless and he seems to have a problem with that idea.
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I have chests filled with cobblestone, hundreds of iron, thousands of coal, 9 diamond and 3 gold.
What.... Why?
Gold can be used to make gold blocks, clocks and gold tools.
Gold tools are the least durable kind of tool to the point of being pretty much useless.
Also try digging in the layers between y=13 and y=17 as according to some java code jiggery pokery my mate did the distribution is biased to that region.
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Runer60000 wrote:Wait, you guys are able to connect to multiplayer? I have been unable to get back on my usual server for weeks now.
Same, I was happily playing on a server i'd found, whose residents had adopted me as a fellow non-griefing player, when all of a sudden I disconnected and am still unable to re-connect weeks on.
Being dumped on a blacklist is possible, with my ip being left off a whitelist equally possible, but i'd been on there enough times, been friendly, and even been given a house in their town, so I don't see a reason for a blacklisting to have happened.
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If you have a dynamic IP, you might have wound up with a blacklisted one. Or the server might just be down/have gotten its IP changed if the host had a dynamic IP.
Sadly, my internet is too slow to play SMP, so I haven't been able to play multiplayer since the good old days of creative. On one of the last servers I played on, I built a lifesize warlord titan attacking a spaceport, with one or two warhounds by its feet, along with a column of chimeras flanked by leman russes and baneblades. I should see if I bothered to backup that map, since I never took and screens of all of it...
corpsesarefun wrote:Gold is pretty much useless normally
Does anyone know the maximum range of a TNT cannon?
Depends on who you talk to. Conventionally you're talking about ~300 meters. Some people claim to be able to go over a kilometer due to the way the game handles the projectile entity. I haven't researched it yet but I've seen plenty of videos of cannons hitting the 300m mark.
I would love it if you could carry a lantern with you (off hand maybe?) and it give off light. Hell, I'd even love if lanterns were added and you could replace torches with them, maybe have them give off stronger light that carries farther since they'd be so expensive. Make a nice decorating touch to get rid of torches and have lanterns.
If you're having trouble finding gold and diamonds you need to answer the following questions.
1) Where are you mining?
Gold only populates 0.1% of all blocks between levels 0 and 32. Supposedly you can find it up to level 35 but from 33 to 35 the occurrences drop off sharply, sharply from 0.1% to even less, so don't waste your time over level 32.
Lapis Lazulli is even worse at 0.05% spawn rate. It occupies the same levels as gold but has a normal distribution making it most common between levels 8 and 24.
Diamonds have a spawn rate of 0.08% between levels 0 and 18. Unless you are at least that deep you will never ever find them.
Redstone has a spawn rate of 0.7% and occurs between levels 0 and 18.
Iron has a 0.5% spawn rate but it occurs from bedrock to five levels above sea level, about level 69.
Coal has a spawn rate of 1% and can be found at any altitude.
So long story short you need to dig DEEP. Knowing what I know now I wouldn't bother mining higher than level 16 just so I can maximize the haul out of the mine. I might go as high as 32 but really... feth gold. Maybe it will be useful one day but it's not right now.
2) How are you mining? With the spawn rate of these ores you are going to have to mine and expose a LOT of rock to find them. Consequently you need to maximize the efficiency of how you mine. The most efficient mining strategy is a vertical shaft mine. By digging in a grid pattern straight down you can mine only about 16% of the rock in a given volume but expose or mine out 100% of the resources in it. However this involves digging straight down and violating minecraft rule #1. So don't do it, what you gain in efficiency you'll lose in fiery lava deaths. What I've come up with is nearly as efficient but with as close to zero chance of dying in lava as I can manage. My optimal mining strategy:
By following this pattern you can expose 89% of the rock while only mining out 22% of it. Frankly given the way minecraft ore seams work you'll probably wind up with more like 95%+ of the ore in a given volume but I can only guarantee 90%. I know Melissia has her own set up and you can find others but this is the best I know of. The good news is that while you still need to see a lot of blocks to have a chance of finding things like diamonds and gold, by using this mining pattern you'll only have to dig out about 1/5 of them. The rest you'll be able to see in the tunnel walls, greatly increase the rate that you can find them.
All that being said, you're still going to have to dig out a ton of rock to find any appreciable amount of things like gold and diamonds. You just are. Which leads to the final question...
3) How much have you mined? Look at the spawn rates. Now consider how much time you've actually spent mining. Thought about it yet? Unless you've spent about 10 to 20 real world hours mining away between levels 0 and 18 you've got no real basis for comparison. Especially if you've been doing something like strip mining which is wasting a tremendous amount of time. Due to the low spawn rates of these materials and the rate at which you can dig out/expose rock you will have to mine out a ton of rock to even begin to normalize the amount of them you find. However, they're there. The game does discriminate vertically in where you can and cannot find certain ores, but it doesn't discriminate horizontally. Meaning that while you'll never find diamonds above level 18, once you do get down that low they're evenly distributed through the rock. You just have to dig it out and find them. I guarantee that once you've spent a good many hours digging around you'll have plenty of diamonds and gold and you'll be wondering why you ever cared about them in the first place.
mattyrm wrote: I will bro fist a toilet cleaner.
I will chainfist a pretentious English literature student who wears a beret.
Yeah, my own setup is just convenience and aesthetics for myself. I tried Tyyr's setup, but I just... can't get over the claustrophobia of 2x1 tunnels. 3x1 is the smallest tunnel I will dig, and I prefer 3x2.
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Melissia wrote:Yeah, my own setup is just convenience and aesthetics for myself. I tried Tyyr's setup, but I just... can't get over the claustrophobia of 2x1 tunnels. 3x1 is the smallest tunnel I will dig, and I prefer 3x2.
I know that feeling, I just get really cramped after a short while, find myself physically hunching in those 2x1 tunnels, I mostly mine in 3x2, which is wasteful, but I can relax at the same time!
getting minecraft for birthday, and by some vids on youtube it looks incredibly fun, and I've got up to the point where I'm jumping the gun and deciding stuff I'm gonna do in it. That's a good sign.
My lair's gonna be underground, complete with a pool, an armoury (where I dump my weapons), a room full of chests full of useful ore and stuff, a well, a load of crops (glass sunroof), an emergenc exit (in case I forget to put up torches and some monsters spawn inside), and a bedroom. And a portal to the underworld in a closet. And around my lair is a moat. The emergency exit runs through the pool and up a waterfall formed by the moat, so I can get outside quickly.
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Requia wrote:Ty'rs setup with 3x1 would give you 100% coverage...
Which is absolutely correct. However you're increasing the volume of stone you have to remove by 50% while increasing the volume of rock you expose by only 12.4%. Mind you that's the absolute figure, its even less of an improvement when you factor in the way ore veins work in Minecraft and that my way of doing it with 2x1 tunnels really gets you about 95% or more of the ore. You're hacking out a ton more rock for little real benefit.
Also, strip mining is not a waste of time
I've strip mined a 32x32 area all the way down to bedrock then ran out of cobblestone.
Nope, it's an absolute waste of time. The only way its not a waste of time is if you absolutely want to minimize the amount of ore you uncover. That's it.
If I may be so bold as to math you.
Our test volume will be a 32x32x64 block of stone. Roughly analogous to a 32x32 strip mine from sea level to bed rock. We will ignore the effect of caves and lava on the test and assume its solid rock top to bottom. That has a total volume of 65,536 m^3 or 65,536 blocks. We'll assume a regular distribution of ores in the volume. Finally, it's a given that the rate at which you can mine through solid rock is the same no matter what pattern you do it in.
Ok, all that aside after you strip that volume down to bedrock your haul would be (this is all in blocks, multiply by four to get usable coal, lapiz lazuli, and redstone):
Just thought of something- If I cut down enough trees, can I make a giant treehouse? that'd be so cool...
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Yes you can. Though I think wooden planks look better myself.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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I'm gonna have that as my escape route lair to hide out until day arrives...
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), so I'm definitely gonna get one.
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