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2012/03/01 11:29:38
Subject: Re:INFINITY - The Ongoing News and Rumors Thread
Savnock wrote:Pan-O are also a very forgiving force because they get so many special goodies and have a "boosted stat" that is core to the game (Ballistic Skill). But I and many others dislike them, because they get a bit TOO much love, to the point of being unbalanced... sort of like Marines in 40K. Plus everyone and their dog plays them.
PanO being favoured might be true but... I have Ariadna, Haqqislam, YuJing and ALEPH, and I don't have any single PanO mini
2012/03/01 13:08:08
Subject: INFINITY - The Ongoing News and Rumors Thread
I pretty much enjoy all of the different factions equally. They all have awesome stuff that I want to get ahold of and get painting.
Save for the Combined Army... I can stick to my warring human factions without an alien threat and be perfectly fine. They still have cool models though.
"-and all that time in Paris, when you were wallowing in debauchery with your doxies, tarts and pirates... you were trying to convince me you were a disgusting, swinish, lecherous, drunken sot... Well I want you to know it worked.
Well done."
2012/03/01 16:27:59
Subject: INFINITY - The Ongoing News and Rumors Thread
PanO gets a few stellar units that can easily be used for huge advantages (The Cutter, Aquila, Swiss guard and Magister Knight come to mind), but they are also a bit short on some special rules, skirmishers, quality specialists (hackers, doctors and engineers). Also, they generally have low WIP that can be exploited.
In Boxing matches, you actually get paid to take a dive and make the other guy look good.
In Warhammer 40K, you're expected to pay cash out of your pocket for the privilege of having Marines and IG trample all over your Xenos/Chaos.
2012/03/01 21:40:19
Subject: Re:INFINITY - The Ongoing News and Rumors Thread
Sephyr wrote:PanO gets a few stellar units that can easily be used for huge advantages (The Cutter, Aquila, Swiss guard and Magister Knight come to mind), but they are also a bit short on some special rules, skirmishers, quality specialists (hackers, doctors and engineers). Also, they generally have low WIP that can be exploited.
Having less options does not make them weak on specialists- their Kamau hacker beats the crud out of any other faction's cheap hackers (BTS -6!), and their Hospitaller is one of the most terrifying docs in the game- one who can not only live to reach his patients, but blow the crud out of threats on his way there.
And lower WIS is a hell of a lot less important than higher BS. While one may be able to exploit that low WIS with a lot of effort, it's really easy for PanO to exploit everyone else's lower BS- by, you know, winning at firefights all the time.
I'm not saying they're broken, but the balance is definitely in their favor, and some of the goodies they get are more optimal than anything anyone else gets (see the Aquila).
And while they may not have a ton of choice in some areas, the choices they do have are quality and leave them with very few weaknesses.
Anyways, enough kvetching from me- While unit choice is important, playstyle and skillful use of tactics are still more important. It's (mostly) not your list, it's (mostly) you.
Infinity: Way, way better than 40K and more affordable to boot!
"If you gather 250 consecutive issues of White Dwarf, and burn them atop a pyre of Citadel spray guns, legend has it Gwar will appear and answer a single rules-related question. " -Ouze
2012/03/02 00:27:39
Subject: Re:INFINITY - The Ongoing News and Rumors Thread
Savnock wrote:Pan-O are also a very forgiving force because they get so many special goodies and have a "boosted stat" that is core to the game (Ballistic Skill). But I and many others dislike them, because they get a bit TOO much love, to the point of being unbalanced... sort of like Marines in 40K. Plus everyone and their dog plays them.
Agree at a certain point. When you llok at all the troop profiles you realize that every faction has a "boosted value":
PanO BS+1
Yu jing CC +1
Ariadna PH+1
Haqqislam WIP+1
Nomads ?
Combined Army No Retreat
ALEPH lots of No Wound Incapacitation
To me this seems like, years ago, when they designed the game, they said: -"Let's boost one value of each army and that will lead to some faction gamestyle." but after years of playing, it seems to me that they were wrong in thinking that BS+1 is like CC+1 or PH +1. It is obvious that in this game BS is the most important value of all, so PanO is better than all the other factions.
Love INFINITY, by the way.
2012/03/02 01:07:09
Subject: Re:INFINITY - The Ongoing News and Rumors Thread
BobbaFett wrote:
ALEPH lots of No Wound Incapacitation
To me this seems like, years ago, when they designed the game, they said: -"Let's boost one value of each army and that will lead to some faction gamestyle." but after years of playing, it seems to me that they were wrong in thinking that BS+1 is like CC+1 or PH +1. It is obvious that in this game BS is the most important value of all, so PanO is better than all the other factions.
Love INFINITY, by the way.
I'm not sure if it is reflected in the actual game though? I don't know, maybe it is just the games I have seen and down to the players, but I reckon the CA seem to get better results. Certainly, I don't think that +1BS actually equates to that much of an advantage in the realities of a game.
@InfinityTheGame wrote:
From August 16th to August 19th you'll find Bostria and Interruptor in our booth at Gen Con Indy, alongside our partners from Battle Foam.
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2012/03/02 13:52:49
Subject: Re:INFINITY - The Ongoing News and Rumors Thread
@InfinityTheGame wrote:
From August 16th to August 19th you'll find Bostria and Interruptor in our booth at Gen Con Indy, alongside our partners from Battle Foam.
For the Infinity noobs amongst us (me included!) - huh?
Who are they, and what factions are they in?
Thanks!
2012/03/02 14:54:51
Subject: Re:INFINITY - The Ongoing News and Rumors Thread
Alpharius wrote:
For the Infinity noobs amongst us (me included!) - huh?
Who are they, and what factions are they in?
Both of them are part of the Corvus Belli company.
If i'm not wrong, Bostria is Carlos Llauguer, he has made many of the illustrations and concepts for Infinity, and is the person who did the videos and all that stuff. I think he's part of the rules development, but i'm not sure...
Interruptor is Gutier Lusquiños. He is the man who has developed all the Infinity story and universe, and he is also a rules and troops developer.
So, they are (part of) the people behind Infinity ;-)
I hope that could helps
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2012/03/02 15:26:57
Subject: INFINITY - The Ongoing News and Rumors Thread
At first I have to admit - I thought they might be new miniatures about to be unveiled, though in my defense "Interruptor" sure sounds like something the Nomads might field!
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2012/03/02 15:28:34
Subject: Re:INFINITY - The Ongoing News and Rumors Thread
Savnock wrote:Pan-O are also a very forgiving force because they get so many special goodies and have a "boosted stat" that is core to the game (Ballistic Skill). But I and many others dislike them, because they get a bit TOO much love, to the point of being unbalanced... sort of like Marines in 40K. Plus everyone and their dog plays them.
Agree at a certain point. When you llok at all the troop profiles you realize that every faction has a "boosted value":
PanO BS+1
Yu jing CC +1
Ariadna PH+1
Haqqislam WIP+1
Nomads ?
Combined Army No Retreat
ALEPH lots of No Wound Incapacitation
To me this seems like, years ago, when they designed the game, they said: -"Let's boost one value of each army and that will lead to some faction gamestyle." but after years of playing, it seems to me that they were wrong in thinking that BS+1 is like CC+1 or PH +1. It is obvious that in this game BS is the most important value of all, so PanO is better than all the other factions.
Love INFINITY, by the way.
Stats don't need to be equal for a game to be balanced. The points do that.
There is an attitude that not having an insanely optimized, one shot, six stage, omnidirectional, inevitable, mousetrap of an assassin list army somehow means that you have foolishly wasted your life building 500 points of pure, 24 karat, hand rolled, fine, cuban fail. That attitude has been shown, under laboratory conditions, to cause cancer of the fun gland.
- palaeomerus
2012/03/02 23:21:00
Subject: Re:INFINITY - The Ongoing News and Rumors Thread
Savnock wrote:Pan-O are also a very forgiving force because they get so many special goodies and have a "boosted stat" that is core to the game (Ballistic Skill). But I and many others dislike them, because they get a bit TOO much love, to the point of being unbalanced... sort of like Marines in 40K. Plus everyone and their dog plays them.
Agree at a certain point. When you llok at all the troop profiles you realize that every faction has a "boosted value":
PanO BS+1
Yu jing CC +1
Ariadna PH+1
Haqqislam WIP+1
Nomads ?
Combined Army No Retreat
ALEPH lots of No Wound Incapacitation
To me this seems like, years ago, when they designed the game, they said: -"Let's boost one value of each army and that will lead to some faction gamestyle." but after years of playing, it seems to me that they were wrong in thinking that BS+1 is like CC+1 or PH +1. It is obvious that in this game BS is the most important value of all, so PanO is better than all the other factions.
Love INFINITY, by the way.
Stats don't need to be equal for a game to be balanced. The points do that.
Except they don't. PanO troops with +1BS relative to similar troops are not more expensive. BobaFett is correct in his analysis. PanO pay the same for +1 BS that YJ pay for +1 CC, but the BS is way, way more useful.
It's a minor defect, and not that big of a deal. I love me some Infinity too. And I love uphill battles, so I won't touch Pan-O until I've got a TAG-hankerin' that can't be satisfied any other way.
Infinity: Way, way better than 40K and more affordable to boot!
"If you gather 250 consecutive issues of White Dwarf, and burn them atop a pyre of Citadel spray guns, legend has it Gwar will appear and answer a single rules-related question. " -Ouze
2012/03/03 00:49:37
Subject: Re:INFINITY - The Ongoing News and Rumors Thread
Hoarmurel wrote:If i'm not wrong, Bostria is Carlos Llauguer, he has made many of the illustrations and concepts for Infinity, and is the person who did the videos and all that stuff. I think he's part of the rules development, but i'm not sure...
Interruptor is Gutier Lusquiños. He is the man who has developed all the Infinity story and universe, and he is also a rules and troops developer.
They are the guys from this video.
The Skinny guy in black is Gutier, the writer of the books. Bostria is the other one.
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2012/03/06 21:32:09
Subject: Re:INFINITY - The Ongoing News and Rumors Thread
Vitruvian XVII wrote:Hmm i read somewhere that they're supposed to be doing a bundle deal, honestly cant remember where though. :/
They look sweet however.
Alpharius wrote:I'd be interested in hearing details of that bundle deal!
It's right here, in the previous page! LOL xD
Pacific wrote:
Erasoketa wrote:
The tokens are good as they are, if they do that basic sets so you don't have to buy what you don't need and there is a fair amount of what you need... that would be great! Too bad not all the players have the same needs :\ thanks!
Great stuff, in response to general comments about wanting a combined set, a guy from MAS made this comment:
Hi,
I just made calculations and I can tell you already that next month we may do the set you ask for. If I'm not mistaken - this set consists of 33 markers? The net retail price for those will be then around 15 euros so 2,5 x price of 12 marker sets.
Please let me know if you have any other ideas for the larger sets or re-designing the current?
Agree at a certain point. When you llok at all the troop profiles you realize that every faction has a "boosted value":
PanO BS+1
Yu jing CC +1
Ariadna PH+1
Haqqislam WIP+1
Nomads ?
Combined Army No Retreat
ALEPH lots of No Wound Incapacitation
Nomads would be "gets an extra bonus rule", as in a greater prevalence of ODDS, combat jump, infiltrate, repeaters. And ALEPH also has very high WIP pretty much across the board.
PanO may be friendlier at first, but over time the +1BS tends to cease to matter so much. When the enemy learns to air-drop a HMG behind your guys, hack your heavy infantry from behind cover or just leanrs to use cover and smoke, the added bonus might as well not be there.
PanO gets its strength, like most other factions, from the amazing units it can bring to bear. The Cutter, the Aquila HMG, Magister knights and other staples would still be picked just as often if they had 1 less BS.
But I'll agree that Yu Jing's token boost is a bit more token than the others. You'll see BS, WIP and PHYS rolls every single game. I've gone several games in a roll without seeing a CC exchange. That said, their Eniwaban, Kitsune, Hsien and Dao Fei are freaking terrifying.
In Boxing matches, you actually get paid to take a dive and make the other guy look good.
In Warhammer 40K, you're expected to pay cash out of your pocket for the privilege of having Marines and IG trample all over your Xenos/Chaos.
2012/03/12 16:35:04
Subject: Re:INFINITY - The Ongoing News and Rumors Thread
News from the Official Forums. Spanish user named Janzerker (I guess he is also in this forum).
There was an event in Barcelona and some CB staff was in it.
Janzerker wrote:Sorry for the delay in news but many of us are still recovering from the Open. It was a total blast. 26 players with 2 interchangeable lists , 13 tables , 6 mission scenarios and an outstanding VIP visiting staff: Carlos Llauger aka Bostria, Jose Luis Roig (CB's fulltime sculptor: everthing PanO, allmost all REMs and TAGs in the game and many non Yujing HIs) and also Juan Navarro (freelancer, touches regularly almost any faction but specially all non robotic Aleph's units and Nomad's Bakunin, also cool JSA units like Oniwaban or Haramakis and many hot females like Odalisques) who paid us a visit Saturday's afternoon (he's from Barcelona).
As an interesting note, PanO and Haqqislam players were half of the participants, more concretely 8 PanO and 5 Haqqislam.
The top ten winners
-1 Yurian - YuJing with ISS -2 Glaurung -Haqqislam with Generic
-3 Sir William - PanO with Generic
-4 Crave - PanO with Generic/Acontecimento
-5 Sr - PanO with NeoTerra/Acontecimento
-6 Hellois -PanO with Generic/Acontecimento
-7 Aguss -Ariadna with Generic
-8 HMG -Combined Army with Morat Agression Force
-9 Iagoblackened -PanO with Generic/Acontecimento
-10 Ivalonso -Nomads with Generic
In conclussion, all factions with exception of Aleph placed within the first 10 positions. Showing a very strong dominance of PanO (5 of 8 players! , maybe it is time to start thinking PanO is really slightly favored at current with a small advantage edge over the rest of factions). Aleph presence was weak, only two players that placed 17th and 25th. Which obviously shows the shortcomings of that faction. However Aleph players will be relieved to know the confirmation that as Bostria already had said in an english interview video, Aleph is getting the greek sectorial in the campaign book to boost that faction. Actually it's the only faction getting a new sectorial in the upcoming expansion. Linkable Myrmidons confirmed, however Achilles won't link with them (further tests have shown is completely over).
Regarding upcoming news. At moment we're awaiting for someone to show better pics of the display, which shows two of the releases for this month, more concretely, Hafza Sptifire and Merovingian Starter (3 metros, Paracommado HMG, last month's Zouave DEP and Moblot girl body with a new pair of arms wielding a rifle). The upcoming months will see a lot of resculpts and Corregidor will get some love once again. It's a good time to be Haqqislamist, specially Qapu Kalqi, which can start saving up for the upcoming two linked team boxes and a resculpted unit box coming during this year.
And finally a little spoiler here, the unknown Haqqislam unit we saw the art last time, it's called "Sekban" and is a new MI for the Qapu Kalqi.
By the way, I placed 13th with YuJing Generic/JSA, so I guess it's fine.
2012/03/12 17:24:04
Subject: Re:INFINITY - The Ongoing News and Rumors Thread
Although, I wouldn't draw the same conclusion that Pan-O are intrinsically a better force. The guy says himself that there were a lot of Pan-O players, so surely that is at least part of why they ranked well?
Ah, more stuff for my Turkish Hassassin force! I'm excited to see what's on the way.
I just picked up the Human Sphere book, and as per usual I am in love with the fluff and the excellent art.
But man oh man do they need to strangle their editor. Mistypes, little grammar screw-ups... yeah, I can roll my eyes and get through it. People miss stuff, we're only human.
But the 1/3 of a page picture on page 17 of the Armbot Peacemaker is definitely labeled the 'Pacemaker'.
"-and all that time in Paris, when you were wallowing in debauchery with your doxies, tarts and pirates... you were trying to convince me you were a disgusting, swinish, lecherous, drunken sot... Well I want you to know it worked.
Well done."
2012/03/12 18:45:16
Subject: INFINITY - The Ongoing News and Rumors Thread
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