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 pretre wrote:
Just noticed that we got a price break on sisters.

We were 12.5, we are now 12.

No. We were 12, and paying 5 for the SSV “mandatory option”. We are still 12, but the V is really an option now. And it's 10 points. So the price got actually higher.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Just noticed that we got a price break on sisters.

We were 12.5, we are now 12.

No. We were 12, and paying 10 for the SSV “mandatory option”. We are still 12, but the V is really an option now.

True. But mandatory option = default cost.

So we were 12.5. We are 12, but lost one pt of leadership and an attack. We get it back for 10 pts.

@Pretre

The power field works on any model, friend or foe, within 3" of the bearer. So it works quite well on AoC's as well

As a sidenote I'm really, really hoping that the engines went MC for us. I don't want to get my hopes up but that would make me so happy.

 Hulksmash wrote:
The power field works on any model, friend or foe, within 3" of the bearer. So it works quite well on AoC's as well

Oh wow. My bad. That is good. It doesn't work if embarked though, right?

So hide some bikes behind an immo wall?


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 Hulksmash wrote:
As a sidenote I'm really, really hoping that the engines went MC for us. I don't want to get my hopes up but that would make me so happy.

Even as MC, they would be overshadowed by Exos unless they went elite or were broken cheap.

 Hulksmash wrote:
As a sidenote I'm really, really hoping that the engines went MC for us. I don't want to get my hopes up but that would make me so happy.

I officially bet it didn't. It really seems to big of a change for a codex that really seems mostly about little adjustment and additions.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
As a sidenote I'm really, really hoping that the engines went MC for us. I don't want to get my hopes up but that would make me so happy.

I officially bet it didn't. It really seems to big of a change for a codex that really seems mostly about little adjustment and additions.

They already have a big change and that's in the first preview.

 pretre wrote:

Just noticed that we got a price break on sisters.

We were 12.5, we are now 12.

That not quite true, since 10 Sisters with a Veteran (like we before) is now 130 points. I don't know about you, but I want my Leadership 9, I usually need it. If you go with a small unit, you only need to take 2 casualties before needing to pass a morale test. The difference between 8 and 9 is pretty significant.

andrewm9 wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Just noticed that we got a price break on sisters.

We were 12.5, we are now 12.

That not quite true, since 10 Sisters with a Veteran (like we before) is now 130 points. I don't know about you, but I want my Leadership 9, I usually need it. If you go with a small unit, you only need to take 2 casualties before needing to pass a morale test. The difference between 8 and 9 is pretty significant.

Okay, price increase at 10 girls, but price break at minimum squad size. 9 is nice, but getting a lot of scoring on the table for much cheaper is even better.

Scoring was always a problem for sisters because of the cost of a minimum size squad. This helps a lot.

Also, interesting though. If they don't fix PE, I may use them to convert out a set of allied Centurions with Tig (Inquisitor) in a bastion.. Anyone got some extra PEs they want to ditch?

pretre wrote:They already have a big change and that's in the first preview.

They did ? I guess I missed it. What did they changed to PE ?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

pretre wrote:They already have a big change and that's in the first preview.

They did ? I guess I missed it. What did they changed to PE ?

No, the codex has a big change (5 girl troops). More big changes are certainly not out of the picture.

@Prete,

I totally understand your view. The WD codex for me would have been a hassle for me to legally obtain. The changes I saw plus the inconvenience helped guide me to take a break. I liked the WitchHunters codex and the changes I saw in the WD codex was jarring and was upsetting for me. I felt the change from Chapter Approved to WitchHunters was not as drastic. Faith System was not as flexible as it use to be. Canoness were really overpriced. Celestians became horrible. Heavy Flamers became prohibitively expensive. l'm hopeful that some of these issues have been fixed, at least point-wise. I look forward to playing with them again.

EDIT: Misread a sentence or two in some posts. Anyhoo math!

60 (base) + (12 x 5 = 60) (extra Sisters) + 10 (Vet Superior) = 130.

And for those interested in hordes:

Old: 245 for 20

New: 250 for 20 with VSS.

We're still looking pretty good there.

The new squad is 5 points more expensive for the same thing, not 10. Without the Superior it's 5 less than current.

We already know the Simulcrum went down as well, so I'm rather excited as point breaks on wargear might make up for this. As might extra abilities on the VSS over +1A, +1Ld.

We'll have to wait and see I think before passing full judgement.

While I like the changes to the basic BSS, I think people are jumping the gun a little on the relics. While we know what they did in the past, there's no guarantee that they'll do the same thing now. I'm hoping they well, because that would make a canoness an actual viable (though probably expensive) option. But I'm trying not to get too ahead of GW here.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
People need to redo their math on the cost of the Battle Sisters.

60 (base) + (12 x 5 = 60) (extra Sisters) + 10 (Vet Superior) = 130.

And for those interested in hordes:

Old: 245 for 20

New: 250 for 20 with VSS.

We're still looking pretty good there.

The new squad is 5 points more expensive for the same thing, not 10. Without the Superior it's 5 less than current.

We already know the Simulcrum went down as well, so I'm rather excited as point breaks on wargear might make up for this. As might extra abilities on the VSS over +1A, +1Ld.

We'll have to wait and see I think before passing full judgement.

Yeah, I was talking about base without the VSS.

Also, I'm positive that second picture (the sister with lightning eyes) is a direct trace of another piece of art. I want to say a marvel comic or something, but not 00% sure on whose it was.

 streamdragon wrote:
Also, I'm positive that second picture (the sister with lightning eyes) is a direct trace of another piece of art. I want to say a marvel comic or something, but not 00% sure on whose it was.

That seems kind of unlikely...

 streamdragon wrote:
Also, I'm positive that second picture (the sister with lightning eyes) is a direct trace of another piece of art. I want to say a marvel comic or something, but not 00% sure on whose it was.

Storm

 streamdragon wrote:
Also, I'm positive that second picture (the sister with lightning eyes) is a direct trace of another piece of art. I want to say a marvel comic or something, but not 00% sure on whose it was.

That's Ephrael Stern. From the Daemonfuge comics.

Eldercaveman wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
Also, I'm positive that second picture (the sister with lightning eyes) is a direct trace of another piece of art. I want to say a marvel comic or something, but not 00% sure on whose it was.

Storm

Link to the pic that you are saying this is traced from...?

 pretre wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
People need to redo their math on the cost of the Battle Sisters.

60 (base) + (12 x 5 = 60) (extra Sisters) + 10 (Vet Superior) = 130.

And for those interested in hordes:

Old: 245 for 20

New: 250 for 20 with VSS.

We're still looking pretty good there.

The new squad is 5 points more expensive for the same thing, not 10. Without the Superior it's 5 less than current.

We already know the Simulcrum went down as well, so I'm rather excited as point breaks on wargear might make up for this. As might extra abilities on the VSS over +1A, +1Ld.

We'll have to wait and see I think before passing full judgement.

Yeah, I was talking about base without the VSS.

Yeah, I misread the thing about points cost. I'm not upset about it if we got enough codex wide breaks. And being able to MSU the squads is a great boon, especially in lower point games or when you want 3-4 scoring units but don't want as many models on the board you can now plop down 2 units of 10 and a unit or two of 5.


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Anyone else notice that the BSS can take a special and a heavy (or 2 specials) at 5 models?

ClockworkZion wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
Also, I'm positive that second picture (the sister with lightning eyes) is a direct trace of another piece of art. I want to say a marvel comic or something, but not 00% sure on whose it was.

That's Ephrael Stern. From the Daemonfuge comics.

Which is GW owned so that's there own artwork.

pretre wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
Also, I'm positive that second picture (the sister with lightning eyes) is a direct trace of another piece of art. I want to say a marvel comic or something, but not 00% sure on whose it was.

Storm

Link to the pic that you are saying this is traced from...?

And I don't think it is traced as pointed out above, however there are some obvious inspirations taken from Xmens storm. But I have know problem with that as it is a cool piece of artwork.

Eldercaveman wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
Also, I'm positive that second picture (the sister with lightning eyes) is a direct trace of another piece of art. I want to say a marvel comic or something, but not 00% sure on whose it was.

Storm

Google is failing me, but I remember the person on the cover was also using a gun. I thought it was a guy though.

ClockworkZion wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
Also, I'm positive that second picture (the sister with lightning eyes) is a direct trace of another piece of art. I want to say a marvel comic or something, but not 00% sure on whose it was.

That's Ephrael Stern. From the Daemonfuge comics.

Which I have never read, so I would have never seen the cover.

As an amusing aside, the blog post seems to indicate that the Exorcist was created for C:WH, which is incorrect. It was a unit in the WD dex before that.


edit: I am wrong about it not being a cover.

ClockworkZion wrote:

streamdragon wrote:Also, I'm positive that second picture (the sister with lightning eyes) is a direct trace of another piece of art. I want to say a marvel comic or something, but not 00% sure on whose it was.

That's Ephrael Stern. From the Daemonfuge comics.

Yup. It's her Book III "Heretic Saint" cover, also used for the pocket book collection that combines all three volumes.

I wonder if this means we get rules for good ol' ES?

 pretre wrote:
I wonder if this means we get rules for good ol' ES?

Something like those?

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I wonder if this means we get rules for good ol' ES?

"If Ephrael Stern is in your army Eldar are treated as Battle Brothers and enemy Black Templar models gain Preferred Enemy (Ephrael Stern)"

That would be crazy. I really need to get II and Heretic Saint. I only have the big hardcover graphic.

Look again Petre, I added another one while you were posting.

Spoilers, sweetie!

Fluffwise I'd be really happy if the Sororitas' lack of a supreme leader is addressed, the last one was 'lost' in space and they're apparently not allowed to select a new leader until the fate of the former is discovered. I'm not sure why that's important to me.

I'm liking a lot of these changes.