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 GrimDork wrote:
Lock Down gets pretty much everything other than duplicates and bulk. If you want 20 pathfinders/veermyn/steel warriors you can get them for 20 bucks. But probably in the pledge manager too and those numbers *really* aren't needed for DZ.

I still think both a Veer-myn player and Forge Father player could do with 20. More realistically you'd want 15 Forge Father troops to cover all the options, but when you are getting 5 more for free..........

A veer-myn player is pretty much set for life with the $20 deal, a $10 Shredder deal, and then snag a Progenitor. For $7 more you could even get some elite troops.

The Pathfinders do seem excessive. Simply because those probably aren't even gonne be your main for.

 Barzam wrote:
There's a few places in California that were carrying Mantic. Not sure if that's still the case though. At the very least, I've seen Dreadball in stores. So, at least there's that.

All Central AZ game stores except for one have cleared out their Mantic stuff.
The lone holdout is only stocking one copy each of Mantic's boardgames (Deadzone and Dreadball) because they're boardgames.
It's hard for FLGSs to compete with the crazy savings that KS (and from Mantic's periodic sales and deep discount online retailers) provide backers.
A lot of backers (at least around here) flood the local secondary market with the pile they realize they're never going to touch.

Sitting happily at $101. I'm glad of all of the bitz they're cramming onto the FF, although I do wish they had introduced a similar bundle deal for jetbikes that they did for the other HIPS sprues ($10 for 2, $15 for 4, or $20 for 8)

So per Mantics comments the Asterian Battle drones are done and they have 3D prints of them looks like it didn't get far enough to include them. They are troops, troop sized and will be HIPS. Something for another day then. Oh and there are no clones that got mix up with drones.

well, i'm in for a dollar, one i see how some things actually turn out, i'll likely bump in up in the pledge manager

GrimDork wrote:
@Warboss, I don't think they have.

Earth Dragon wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Did the terrain only pledge improve at all with any stretch goals?

Normally they don't throw up those pledge levels until we've unlocked all that they need.

I think it got 3 connector sprues more it originally started with and that was it.

Thanks. Sounds like I'm still better with just waiting for a mantic website sale with free shipping mailed right away instead of pledging $1 and playing the what will shipping really be months from now lottery.

For just scenery? Probably. You're in the US, keep an eye on Miniature Market's deal of the day, they're crazy there and tend to hit things with the 50% off stick sometimes. Or at least 40%. Deal of the Day and stuff. I got a Forward Base or whatever the new one with the long tiles in it is called, for $50 bucks in their physical store. I think they were 60 bucks during their March Madness Sale too.

I thought good and hard about dropping to $1; the arguments for it, namely seeing more of what you're getting first, are such basic common sense that they're hard to argue. But at this point, with Lock down loaded with as much as it is and my experience with Mantic being as positive as it has been (I jumped on the Mantic train long after the first KOW campaign), there was little point in putting it off. It was a foregone conclusion that I'll be buying Lockdown eventually, and it's actually better for me if I break up the payments; much less of a red flag for the wife on the bank account, for one thing. So since I plan to add on acrylic doors and such later, it's good to get a chunk paid now. So yes, Earth Dragon, I was a good patriot to the end.

I expect there will be a few models I'll be disappointed in, but Mantic's success rate with me has been pretty high overall, so on balance it doesn't feel like much of a risk.

Or so I think. It'll be interesting to see if I'm proven right when all the final sculpts are revealed, or if I get my comeuppance for being a trusting fool.

There were a lot fewer backer this time around, along with a corresponding significantly lower pledge total.

The offerings were a lot more limited - necessary due to the "No Restic" promise, I guess?

I hope this isn't a sign of things to come, and that Mantic can 'figure out' how to get Warpath right.

I'd say this KS was a good example of Mantic doing it right, a small number of very high quality HIPS kits and a few metal and resin add-ons rather than a mass of restic.

It's what we all wanted to see in earlier campaigns of theirs, deadzone would have been much better off with hard plastics for the boxed game from the start, and a smaller number of better quality, more affordable minis.

gentlemen could we get a run down on everything that's going to be done in hard plastic?

Pathfinders.
Jetbikes.
Night Crawlers/Stalkers.
Shredders.
Steel Warriors/Stormrage Veterans/Drakkarim.

Plus the new scenery sprues.

I think mantic did a great job, I think smaller morecontrolled KS are a smarter idea.



from my understanding Mantic waned to do a series of small KS expansions for DZ to get most of the basic troops done. Then the warpath KS would be used to get vehicles an more exotic troops done.

Nice, will probs pick up the FF guys, I bought some ages ago but the restic and sculpts made me throw them in the bin, im willing to give mantic multiple chances

The 20 minis for $20 deals are exactly what I wanted from Mantic. At those prices, I'll even get some Veermyn just to see what I can do with them. I wonder how they'd look with Shieldwolf "croc mouth" heads...

I already have 20 HIPS Enforcers, 15 Peacekeepers and 18 Forge Guard, all still on sprue.

I can see myself picking up a horde of all the new HIPS models in the pledge manager and have a massive head start on 3 Warpath factions for about the cost of, say, one GW Knight Titan?

So, other than not getting to more plastic sprues, my main disappointment is that there doesn't seem to be any way to add-on cheap Enforcer trooper sprues. (Not Pathfinders or Peacekeepers, the basic Enforcers.)

The scenery looks good, and I may end up upgrading my pledge from Quarantine to Lockdown in the PM. Not sure, though. That mainly gets me heavily invested in the Veermyn, and I'm not so sure I want to paint and play them. But it's so much stuff for so cheap...

 Psychopomp wrote:

So, other than not getting to more plastic sprues, my main disappointment is that there doesn't seem to be any way to add-on cheap Enforcer trooper sprues. (Not Pathfinders or Peacekeepers, the basic Enforcers.)

The scenery looks good, and I may end up upgrading my pledge from Quarantine to Lockdown in the PM. Not sure, though. That mainly gets me heavily invested in the Veermyn, and I'm not so sure I want to paint and play them. But it's so much stuff for so cheap...

Well you could probably find someone to trade away the veermyn stuff with. I'm planning to trade my enforcer stuff for more Verrmyn stuff when this finally starts shipping.

Personally I went with 20 pathfinders & 6 jet bikes just as addons for a future WP enforcer army. I bought a stack of terrain first KS, and have it all built, glued and painted now, don't want to open that Pandora's box again! Really like the marauders from the first KS, got a load of them and would have bought plenty of HIPS ones to add if they were an option, but it wasn't to be this time.

So, I spaced on this KS this weekend.

Anyone willing to let me throw some money at you for some of the scenery?

 drazz wrote:
So, I spaced on this KS this weekend.

Anyone willing to let me throw some money at you for some of the scenery?

Send me a PM!

 Alpharius wrote:
I hope this isn't a sign of things to come, and that Mantic can 'figure out' how to get Warpath right.

I disagree entirely. This is the best run Mantic KS in my opinion.

a) reasonable, easy pledge level with a good amount of stuff
b) hard plastic everywhere
c) reasonable timeframe
d) not too large - no overpromising and underdelivering, no quality control nightmares
e) stretch goals allow actual production of quality items (versus tiny stretch goals of KoW1 not allowing any wiggle room)

It is fairly obvious that they will be preparing to do a KoW2-style Warpath KS. Pledge for book+crap, and army-level pledges, consisting of armies of pre-existing plastics.

This one stalled a little too hard at the beginning/middle I think for me to say it's well ran.

Mantic needs to bake in a little more value at the start. $115 + s/h for 5 pathfinders, 10 rats and 1 battlezone was way too much, and turned people off.

 judgedoug wrote:
It is fairly obvious that they will be preparing to do a KoW2-style Warpath KS. Pledge for book+crap, and army-level pledges, consisting of armies of pre-existing plastics.

I daresay they'll be looking to do a lot more than KoW2, since they'll need to fund out at a minimum 4 armies worth of hard plastic vehicles, plus new hard plastic troops for the Z'Zor and Corporation. $380k just won't be enough.

If they produce some Z'zor terrain or 'vehicles', they'll pass 400k for sure.

Unless they show some really terrible sculpts, which is a real probability.

If the plastics from Infestation are in the wild, and they're well received, then I don't think funding 6 plastic kits (4 vehicles + 2 kits for the 4th faction) will be hard to reach.

decker_cky wrote:
If the plastics from Infestation are in the wild, and they're well received, then I don't think funding 6 plastic kits (4 vehicles + 2 kits for the 4th faction) will be hard to reach.

Same, I was just saying there's no chance they're aiming for the Warpath KS to be as small as the KoW 2nd one - especially since they won't have the same amount of existing product to build day 1 starter armies with

I can imagine the first stretch for a warpath ks to be for a hardback book, zzor troop sprue, a corps sprue and some battlezones. Plus a blaine exclusive figure and dice.

I think they added a lot of stuff a bit too late, which is why I ended up doing only $1. I'd been looking at things at the start and also when it was about 72 hours out from close to get an idea of what I wanted. Checked back in the final 4 hours and there's a whole slew of new items and the 3rd party laser cut stuff to the point it was a bit overwhelming, rather than trying to sort it out under a time constraint I said feth it and tossed in $1 so I could figure it out later. When I drop a $100+ I try and plan it out and all the last minute adds didn't help in making a planned purchase. I wonder how many other people are in the same boat?