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Its a big gray area I have talked to GWAR about it he seems to think RAW that its not possible then there are some other people on the other side of the fence that say well it is.

The main proponent of it is STelek I read his argument over on his blog, its semi convincing but it still doesn't get past some major points.


Basically, The Pirahna etc... are not "transports" by clear definition even though they have a unit , also they are multiple model transports again something that is not really possible.


I dont know the people who say it cant be done are the proponents that its not written and its a big murkey area that if you do make some suppositions then yea you could probably convince some people.


Personally, I dont use it as I have no desire to argue with my opponent , Ill do it in Friendly games but not in tourneys .


If that makes sense.




About survivability of Kroot;

Two words

Positional RELAY


With 1 deepstriking Crisis suit team an this you an ensure that your Kroot squads come on Flanking on Turn 3 or later.


That's pretty much how to make them survive. Its also great for placing Objectives near the board edges etc..


Overall just flat out the number one piece of wargear every army should have is


POSITIONAL RELAY.


This doesn't mean playing Ninja Tau this thing is fantastic for all sorts of reasons.

It's a 15 point wargear item that is OPTIONAL to use.

It's just a great piece of wargear and you should have it in your army regardless of what you have.


Now on to


Pathfinders


Has anyone tried them with outflanking along with Kroot w/ Ninjaing tau?

Ie something akin to being the back up firepower to the Kroot assault w/ Reserve Hammerheads and Kroot etc.. outflanking.

Ive been heavily experimenting with this idea, my main enjoyment has been giving them a few rail rifles and emp grenades, makes those vehicles think twice about ramming, and/or assaulting walkers... unfortunately, there arent many things you can give pathfinders, and they have no real improvement over regular FW in actual combat...

rogueeyes wrote:I'm not sure about detaching the gun drones from vehicles while they are still in reserve. True that they are passengers and create a squadron when detached in battle but it is not a squadron until the drones detach. This unit is created IN BATTLE. I'm not sure if they discussed this in YMDC but if not it should be brought up.

Well, common sense would say it should be possible, but IMO since Piranha is not a transport, and drones are not in fact passengers, it is not possible as far as rules are concerned. That the drones are in some respect treated as passengers does not actually MAKE them passengers...

The argument around it is based around this :

The only specification that makes a vehicle a transport is whether it carries troops or not.

The only other restriction is that if a squad purchases a dedicated transport or one that does not use up specifically a FOC and no other unit may begin the game deployed with in it.



There actually is not a subsect of Vehicle : Transport.


What defines a Transport is if it is carrying passengers.

Now where people are getting this is the following:


In the deploying section it states a unit may be deployed with in a dedicated transport all at once or kept in reserve.

Or

If it is not a dedicated transport etc..


Basically its thus


Pirahnas carry passengers , gun drones are passengers albeit with specific rules for firing.

Something that carries passengers is a transport.


Transports can be deployed empty.


It's something like that.

Arise,......Arise,.......Arise my thread.

I summon you from beyond the grave to do my bidding once more. Mwaahahaha


@Mods-Sorry if this is Theadromancy but am trying to keep a running thread of the evolution of Tau tactics.

Question: Is it thread necromancy if it is a thread I started?


@ All Posters, It has been a while since I've posted on this thread, was working on my Fan-dex and other projects IRL but I'm wanting to get the ball rolling again.

I want this to be a running thread that focuses on the evolution and developement of Tau tacics. As new codices and even new rulesets emerge I'd like to discuss the best ways of dealing with these new challenges here in this thread.


Where I had left off, I had been developing a build that did not rely upon railguns because of their expense.

This build has been up and running since late last summer and has been working quite well. You can find some versions of the list here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/290159.page

What I would like to know is:

Have the latest codices affected your tactics and builds?

Any old tactics that have come back into style?

Has there been any new tactics or techniques emerge that are not already posted on this thread?


Thanks,
Later

Are there particular builds or tactics you are having trouble countering?

If so then pls post here for discussion.

Focusedfire, could you start a new thread and reference this thread with a link? That's really the best way to handle situations like this. (Once you do I'll chime in as well; I'm especially keen to hear about the new Blood Angel codex experiences).

Thank you.