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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter






Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)

sebster wrote:
Emperors Faithful wrote:Well, I don't know many cultures throughout history that have openly supported Child Porn or Bestiality.


But they existed. Both bestiality and sex with children was an accepted part of society at different times in ancient Greece.


I honestly find this hard to believe. Unless it was the rest of Greece simply taking a 'liberal' attitude to people who did this.

Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.

"Good game guys, now lets hit the showers"
 
   
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Emperors Faithful wrote:I honestly find this hard to believe. Unless it was the rest of Greece simply taking a 'liberal' attitude to people who did this.


It is quite shocking by modern standards but it was accepted. A mature man taking a young boy under his guidance was a core of Greek culture for centuries, and for much of their history is was accepted, even expected, that the relationship be sexual. Bestiality played an important role in religious ceremony, and was at times a part of wider culture - it took a prominent place in the Roman games.

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Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. 
   
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Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)

...wow. Didn't know that. And honestly, I didn't really want to.

Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.

"Good game guys, now lets hit the showers"
 
   
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SoCal, USA!

Emperors Faithful wrote:Well, I don't know many cultures throughout history that have openly supported Child Porn or Bestiality.

I thought Scotland and New Zealand were both big on sheep, no?


And really, if these weren't um, popular activities, the Book of Leviticus wouldn't have to tell people not to do it.

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Moustache-twirling Princeps





About to eat your Avatar...

Keep fething that chicken.

Wait... that wasn't Leviticus...

sebster wrote:
It is quite shocking by modern standards but it was accepted. A mature man taking a young boy under his guidance was a core of Greek culture for centuries, and for much of their history is was accepted, even expected, that the relationship be sexual. Bestiality played an important role in religious ceremony, and was at times a part of wider culture - it took a prominent place in the Roman games.


I can't imagine that sort of social acceptance being all that wide spread throughout the many cultures and societies of the world.

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I've not looked into it really, but it strikes me as being roughly comparable to human sacrifice, which was quite widespread.

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Executing Exarch






Dallas, TX

Well sebster is partially right. In Greece the relationships he described did exist but in a slightly different sense. The sexual element of the relationship did not involve anal or oral sex. Without going into graphic detail lets just say it involved the thighs...a lot....On the Roman attitude toward bestiality, and homosexuality, I don't find that to be at all accurate. It was widely considered to be offensive to call someone a homosexual, especially in the era of the Republic and early Empire. And while bestiality may have been practiced by some, namely some emperors such as Commodus, it was widely abhorred as being unnatural...

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About to eat your Avatar...

That is my understanding as well, though you probably have clearer knowledge on it.

There were many waves in both the Greek and Roman societies. As with any society, tolerance for certain behaviors, ebbed and flowed over time.

In terms of the relationships with young boys, I would imagine that 'practices' varied by household. I would not be surprised at all if the boys in many households were not merely symbols... like lawn gnomes or something . You have your fan-ladies, your grape servers, your midgets that run around serving wine, and some boys that kind of just sit there all the time. Not sure why they had them, but they had them, and they were simply part of their hired/owned personal entourage if you may.

It would be naive to say that this was always the case... but hey, it eases my mind a little bit.

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Emperors Faithful wrote:Aye, save the little ones...

It's too late for me anyway...


Oh gods, I get that picture .
   
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Dallas, TX

Emperors Faithful wrote:Well, I don't know many cultures throughout history that have openly supported Child Porn or Bestiality.
Apparently the Wal-Mart culture does....here we see the human cross-bred with the obese octopus...

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How is it they live in such harmony - the billions of stars - when most men can barely go a minute without declaring war in their minds about someone they know.
- St. Thomas Aquinas
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Alpha Legion - 15,000 pts For the Emperor!
WAAAGH! Skullhooka - 14,000 pts
Biel Tan Strikeforce - 11,000 pts
"The Eldar get no attention because the average male does not like confetti blasters, shimmer shields or sparkle lasers."
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Hey, be nice. It isn't easy having a second pair of legs growing out of your back.

Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
 
   
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Back boobs?


 
   
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Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)

JEB_Stuart wrote:
Emperors Faithful wrote:Well, I don't know many cultures throughout history that have openly supported Child Porn or Bestiality.
Apparently the Wal-Mart culture does....here we see the human cross-bred with the obese octopus...


0_0

Where can I find an Orkmoticon that's throwing up?

Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.

"Good game guys, now lets hit the showers"
 
   
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Minnesota

The Waaagh.

Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
 
   
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Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)


Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.

"Good game guys, now lets hit the showers"
 
   
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About to eat your Avatar...

Emperors Faithful wrote:


Fixed that for you.



 
   
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Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)


Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.

"Good game guys, now lets hit the showers"
 
   
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Moustache-twirling Princeps





About to eat your Avatar...

That is why there is no vomiting orkmoticon, along with other factors...


 
   
 
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