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2010/01/20 06:50:28
Subject: Are GW products charged at Premium Pricing?
It's a fair point. Loius Vuitton purses or Sony TVs are only going to be so expensive if middle-class Americans are going to buy them.
Sony is not a premium seller. Bang and ollafson is. Sony is just on the higher end of general consumer electronics. Brands like Haier and Vizio are bargain brands, their existence does not necessarily imply that sony overprices (indeed, their profit margins are not particularly high. They make and sell expensive tv's, they just don't sell regular tv's expensively).
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2010/01/20 06:52:13
Subject: Are GW products charged at Premium Pricing?
I believe Forge World functions using the premium pricing strategy. In this case, they sell things at a premium price over the regular citadel miniatures offering. People actually do value Forge World stuff more because of the cost of getting it. It has some serious nerd chic much like paying more for a designer handbag.
I would want to see forge worlds operating costs before making any assumption about their business model. Custom high quality small scale resin casting is not cheap to do.
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2010/01/20 06:53:58
Subject: Are GW products charged at Premium Pricing?
Kanluwen wrote:What? This isn't about "fairness between Privateer Press and Games Workshop's pricings". This is about Games Workshop utilizing a price scam.
The proof we've got so far:
Fact:
Games Workshop's prices are not out of line compared to Privateer Press(their closest competitor).
Fact:
No evidence can be brought forward showing that Games Workshop prices their stuff outside of anything other than what people will pay for it.
How is this hard to understand?
Overpricing != Premium Pricing.
Lol i dont even understand your point anymore kan .
Who ever said anything about price scams and calling GW price not fair?
Do you even read what you post anymore?
Lunahound wrote:No shuma , there is no "set ups" its easier for me to ask and reply bit by bit because past experiences i have find people misinterpret my sentence on purpose (granted its my own fault that i cannot present
long well written statements , for this i do acknowledge and apologize sincerely ) to the point that its impossible to back track and clear up the misunderstanding.
This way , we are 100% sure what each other is talking about , sounds fair? No set up , no tricks?
K so , basically what i wanted to say , to the PP you mentioned earlier , why i dont think its fair to use PP to compare GW's pricings
Say if GW is charging premium pricing
PP then follows charges similar pricing for similar products.
GW wont automatically raise their price to make it "premium" just for the sake for been premium.
Because customers are already at the threshold.
Lunahound wrote: K so , basically what i wanted to say , to the PP you mentioned earlier , why i dont think its fair to use PP to compare GW's pricings
Say if GW is charging premium pricing
PP then follows charges similar pricing for similar products.
GW wont automatically raise their price to make it "premium" just for the sake for been premium.
Because customers are already at the threshold.
LunaHound wrote: K so , basically what i wanted to say , to the PP you mentioned earlier , why i dont think its fair to use PP to compare GW's pricings
By the by, the general tone of the thread has been that "premium pricing is an evil, evil scam!111!!". Hence the "pricing scam" comment.
2010/01/20 06:57:16
Subject: Are GW products charged at Premium Pricing?
Kanluwen wrote:
Do you even read what you post anymore?
By the by, the general tone of the thread has been that "premium pricing is an evil, evil scam!111!!". Hence the "pricing scam" comment.
Actually , thats what you assume. And i dont think you should assume , nor do i like replying to people that assumes , because assumption
of how another person thinks is often wrong.
And to be specific , i dont think GW is evil , nor do i find their pricing to be evil.
Find me anywhere on forum that i think GW is behaving outside what a profit seeking company do , and i will get out of dakka forever.
If not dont put words in other's mouth. No one ever said anything about price scams.
Premium pricing is how you get morons to buy a $2000 hand bag. There's nothing nefarious about it.
I think it's pretty conclusive that GW does not engage in premium pricing.
Incidentally, I just finished putting together a GW WFB Woodelf Glade Rider. Cool miniature. I bought it to use in Warmachine/Hordes because the PP's cavalry are 4-5 times the cost of GW's.
Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better.
2010/01/20 07:02:24
Subject: Are GW products charged at Premium Pricing?
Kanluwen wrote:
Do you even read what you post anymore?
By the by, the general tone of the thread has been that "premium pricing is an evil, evil scam!111!!". Hence the "pricing scam" comment.
Actually , thats what you assume. And i dont think you should assume , nor do i like replying to people that assumes , because assumption
of how another person thinks is often wrong.
And to be specific , i dont think GW is evil , nor do i find their pricing to be evil.
Find me anywhere on forum that i think GW is behaving outside what a profit seeking company do , and i will get out of dakka forever.
If not dont put words in other's mouth. No one ever said anything about price scams.
Nobody's putting words in your mouth. The "general tone" of a thread means the overall feeling that can be garnered from the posts. People feeling "ripped off" by their purchases from GW can easily be equated with a scam.
As for the other parts...
Anytime a new GW product is released. That's when you act as if they're behaving "outside what a profit seeking company would do".
2010/01/20 07:03:38
Subject: Are GW products charged at Premium Pricing?
frozenwastes wrote:Premium pricing is how you get morons to buy a $2000 hand bag.
Yeah, it's like that.
Except I wouldn't call their customers morons.
I'll say this one more time. I'm going to make it bold and I'll hit caps lock.
WORTH AND MATERIAL COST ARE NOT ENTWINED. WORTH AND MANUFACTURING COST ARE NOT ENTWINED. WORTH AND QUALITY ARE NOT ENTWINED. WORTH IS A PRODUCT OF COST, WANT, NEED, AND ENVY. A 2000$ HANDBAG IS A 2000$ HANDBAG BECAUSE IT IS A 2000$ HANDBAG. IT IS WORTH ITTO THE PERSON SPENDING THE MONEY BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU GET TO HAVE. IT IS A VISIBLE FORM OF OSTENTATION AND SUPERIORITY. LUXURY ITEMS HAVE NO INHERENT VALUE BEYOND WHAT THEY ARE WORTH SOCIALLY OR PERSONALLY. A 2000$ HANDBAG IS WORTH A HELL OF A LOT SOCIALLY.
*cough*
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2010/01/20 07:09:12
Subject: Are GW products charged at Premium Pricing?
Kanluwen wrote:
Nobody's putting words in your mouth. The "general tone" of a thread means the overall feeling that can be garnered from the posts. People feeling "ripped off" by their purchases from GW can easily be equated with a scam.
Perhaps thats how only you feel , atleast i dont feel that way. And i dont think its really relevant to rely so heavily on how you feel about the tone.
to the point that you need to protest so much about it.
Kanluwen wrote:As for the other parts... Anytime a new GW product is released. That's when you act as if they're behaving "outside what a profit seeking company would do".
Im sorry that you feel that way , but if all you have are your loyal feeling towards GW and cant stomach anything thats not a praise towards
GW product ( people voicing opinions to why they might not like this new product ) then , i dont know what actions i can do that will satisfy you.
But anyway, maybe we can get more traction off of talking about FW. Don't the stock per orders? That alone seems like it would make them more expensive. Low volume usually results in higher price even when there is a stable inventory.
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ShumaGorath wrote:WORTH AND MATERIAL COST ARE NOT ENTWINED. WORTH AND MANUFACTURING COST ARE NOT ENTWINED. WORTH AND QUALITY ARE NOT ENTWINED. WORTH IS A PRODUCT OF COST, WANT, NEED, AND ENVY. A 2000$ HANDBAG IS A 2000$ HANDBAG BECAUSE IT IS A 2000$ HANDBAG. IT IS WORTH ITTO THE PERSON SPENDING THE MONEY BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU GET TO HAVE. IT IS A VISIBLE FORM OF OSTENTATION AND SUPERIORITY. LUXURY ITEMS HAVE NO INHERENT VALUE BEYOND WHAT THEY ARE WORTH SOCIALLY OR PERSONALLY. A 2000$ HANDBAG IS WORTH A HELL OF A LOT SOCIALLY.
I KNOW ALL OF THIS ALREADY AND CANNOT FATHOM WHY YOU ARE WRITING IN ALL CAPS. THE SUBJECT IS WHETHER A $2000 HANDBAG IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF PREMIUM PRICING.
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There's voicing an opinion about not liking the product--
And then there's ridiculous and pointless complaining.
Guess which one yours usually fall under, along with the vast majority of posts in those same threads?
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Manchu wrote:But anyway, maybe we can get more traction off of talking about FW. Don't the stock per orders? That alone seems like it would make them more expensive. Low volume usually results in higher price even when there is a stable inventory.
Forge World's actually a tricky subject to tackle, to be honest.
They keep a large stock of their more popular products(Krieg, Battlesuits, Elysians, SM/IG Conversion kits, stuff like that). Then you've got things like the Imperial Fortress and the Manta(which are cast to order).
And then even trickier, you've got the Titans and superheavy fliers--which fall somewhere between the more popular products and the cast to order.
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2010/01/20 07:16:19
Subject: Are GW products charged at Premium Pricing?
Manchu wrote:But anyway, maybe we can get more traction off of talking about FW. Don't the stock per orders? That alone seems like it would make them more expensive. Low volume usually results in higher price even when there is a stable inventory.
High prices don't necessitate premium pricing though. I would argue that without seeing the profit margins they make in comparison to their own competition (custom modeling, historical, and pop culture modeling) we can't really venture a guess there.
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ShumaGorath wrote:WORTH AND MATERIAL COST ARE NOT ENTWINED. WORTH AND MANUFACTURING COST ARE NOT ENTWINED. WORTH AND QUALITY ARE NOT ENTWINED. WORTH IS A PRODUCT OF COST, WANT, NEED, AND ENVY. A 2000$ HANDBAG IS A 2000$ HANDBAG BECAUSE IT IS A 2000$ HANDBAG. IT IS WORTH ITTO THE PERSON SPENDING THE MONEY BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU GET TO HAVE. IT IS A VISIBLE FORM OF OSTENTATION AND SUPERIORITY. LUXURY ITEMS HAVE NO INHERENT VALUE BEYOND WHAT THEY ARE WORTH SOCIALLY OR PERSONALLY. A 2000$ HANDBAG IS WORTH A HELL OF A LOT SOCIALLY.
I KNOW ALL OF THIS ALREADY AND CANNOT FATHOM WHY YOU ARE WRITING IN ALL CAPS. THE SUBJECT IS WHETHER A $2000 HANDBAG IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF PREMIUM PRICING.
SORRY, I GUESS I WAS RESPONDING MORE GENERALLY TO EVERYONE IN THE THREAD. DON'T TAKE THAT AS BEING DIRECTED AT YOU, I ACTUALLY REALIZED BEFORE POSTING THAT WE WERE IN AGREEMENT. I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE QUOTED SOMETHING ELSE.
LOUD NOISES.
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2010/01/20 07:20:56
Subject: Are GW products charged at Premium Pricing?
Manchu wrote:But you still have far, far less DKOK available to sell than Cadians, right?
I don't know their exact stock levels, to be honest. And it's only gone downhill since Apocalypse and the Vraks book releases.
But yeah, I'd figure they keep maybe 100k of the DKOK kits in stock at any given time, and expect that level to last them a year versus the absurd amount of Cadians GW can probably pump out.
2010/01/20 07:23:06
Subject: Are GW products charged at Premium Pricing?
Kanluwen wrote:There's voicing an opinion about not liking the product--
And then there's ridiculous and pointless complaining.
Guess which one yours usually fall under, along with the vast majority of posts in those same threads?
Has there ever EVER been a single time i call GW out without giving a valid reason to
why i dont like that certain product?
Or is there ever EVER been a single time that i accuse GW of doing anything another profiting company doesnt do?
Like i said , you are only grasping at something that doesnt exist , and might i add you might be a tiny bit biased towards
giving the illusion to what you think you grasped.
Kanluwen wrote:There's voicing an opinion about not liking the product-- And then there's ridiculous and pointless complaining.
Guess which one yours usually fall under, along with the vast majority of posts in those same threads?
Has there ever EVER been a single time i call GW out without giving a valid reason to why i dont like that certain product?
Or is there ever EVER been a single time that i accuse GW of doing anything another profiting company doesnt do?
Like i said , you are only grasping at something that doesnt exist , and might i add you might be a tiny bit biased towards giving the illusion to what you think you grasped.
I'm not going to bother to find examples, primarily because it's late and I reeeeeaaaaaalllllllyyyy don't care, but I see you as someone that dislikes games workshop rather strongly. And I've noticed you tend to be quick to exclaim the virtues of other companies over the overpriced semi illiterate money grubbing games workshop guys. Like I said though, not gonna back that up, primarily because I don't feel like going on an easter hunt to prove cognitive dissonance on a forum dedicated to tiny plastic men ever in my life.
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2010/01/20 07:31:40
Subject: Are GW products charged at Premium Pricing?
ShumaGorath wrote:High prices don't necessitate premium pricing though. I would argue that without seeing the profit margins they make in comparison to their own competition (custom modeling, historical, and pop culture modeling) we can't really venture a guess there.
Yes, you are right. Earlier, Frozenwastes posited that FW was in competition with GW. What do you think about that? Or do you think that GW pretending that competitors don't exist doesn't factor in and FW is competing against other resin model companies whether they know it or not.
ShumaGorath wrote:SORRY, I GUESS I WAS RESPONDING MORE GENERALLY TO EVERYONE IN THE THREAD. DON'T TAKE THAT AS BEING DIRECTED AT YOU, I ACTUALLY REALIZED BEFORE POSTING THAT WE WERE IN AGREEMENT. I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE QUOTED SOMETHING ELSE.
NO WORRIES.
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ShumaGorath wrote:I'm not going to bother to find examples, primarily because it's late and I reeeeeaaaaaalllllllyyyy don't care, but I see you as someone that dislikes games workshop rather strongly. And I've noticed you tend to be quick to exclaim the virtues of other companies over the overpriced semi illiterate money grubbing games workshop guys. Like I said though, not gonna back that up, primarily because I don't feel like going on an easter hunt to prove cognitive dissonance on a forum dedicated to tiny plastic men ever in my life.
To make it easier for you shuma , i'll tell you the ONE thing i dont like about GW , here it is:
I dont like their discrepancy in the reasons they give in explaining things.
It can be anything from pricing to rules .
I think if they dont know the answer , they should just say they dont know , because if they give you reason for one thing
and later contradicts it , one has to wonder why it was given in the first place.
Thats all there is to it shuma , why else do you think i have GW products for? ( i mean im not a genie or anything )
Yep, "morons" shows a value judgement on my part. And that's a-okay. They can think I'm a moron for spending money on plastic toy soldiers and I can think they're morons for spending thousands on designer clothing. We both buy what we want and think what we want. Win-win.
Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better.
2010/01/20 09:03:15
Subject: Are GW products charged at Premium Pricing?
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