North Korea... We are going to war aren't we?

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**dogma**

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:
Does NK have sarin gas?

In all probability, yes. Or at least a significant stockpile of chemical weapons.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:
The point is still valid. NK won't shell Seoul.

Yes, its unlikely that they'll shell Seoul without provocation as they would effectively be inviting a significant retaliatory strike.

**Miguelsan**

agnosto wrote:Ask Russia, commies (and dictators) love a good military parade.

....and that girl about the 1:53 mark is probably in a concentration camp now for smiling.

The Navy guys are hard core, lose your step in the formation get stabbed on the back by the guy behind you.

On a more serious note, the problem with all this saber rattling is that sometimes governments miscalculate how far the opponent will endure the threats and then war starts, see WWI or WWII.

M.

**Stormrider**

Miguelsan wrote:
agnosto wrote:Ask Russia, commies (and dictators) love a good military parade.

....and that girl about the 1:53 mark is probably in a concentration camp now for smiling.

The Navy guys are hard core, lose your step in the formation get stabbed on the back by the guy behind you.

On a more serious note, the problem with all this saber rattling is that sometimes governments miscalculate how far the opponent will endure the threats and then war starts, see WWI or WWII.

M.

Indeed, this is eerily similar to the Franz Ferdinand assassination in it's potential international impact. There's so many countries tied up in this mess.

**ChrisWWII**

ONly, they're not tied up on opposite sides in allianced. So, this won't snowball into World War III, at worst it'll snowball into Korean War II (or, continued given that the DPRK and ROK never officially signed a treaty ending their war).

**djones520**

dogma wrote:
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:
Does NK have sarin gas?

In all probability, yes. Or at least a significant stockpile of chemical weapons.

No probability about it.

I'm not allowed to speak of any of my experience, but here is some open source information.

Under emergency conditions, the North may be capable of producing up to 20,000 tons of chemical agents a year. According to this estimate, the North is capable of producing a wide variety of chemical agents including: adamsite (DM), chloroacetophenone (CN), chlorobenzylidene malononitrile (CS), hydrogen cyanide (AC), mustard-family (H or HD), phosgene (CG and CX), sarin (GB), soman (GD), tabun (GA), and V-agents (VM and VX).

.......

North Korea is capable of producing and employing chemical weapons that virtually all the fire support systems in its inventory could deliver, including most of its artillery pieces, multiple rocket launchers (including those mounted on CHAHO-type boats), and mortars. Some bombs the Air Force employs also could deliver chemical agents, as could the FROG or the SCUD missile.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/dprk/cw.htm

The bolded part is especially important in regards to Seoul.

**dogma**

djones520 wrote:
No probability about it.

I'm not allowed to speak of any of my experience, but here is some open source information.

Well, unless your experiences included doing inventory in a DPRK chemical stockpile, there is probability about it (hence the word "may"). This is why intelligence services have method analysts.

Still, we're in basic agreement.