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Yeah there has been rising tension, and I cannot believe all of the stuff that is going on in Asia.

North Korea has accused Seoul of using human shields on the island where firing from the North killed two South Korean civilians this week.

The North's state media said the South was using the deaths for propaganda.

Two marines also died in the shelling of the South's Yeonpyeong island. Their funerals were held on Saturday amid rising anger in the South.

The North has also issued a new warning on US-South Korea military exercises, set to start on Sunday.

The four days of exercises include the USS George Washington aircraft carrier and its battle group.

North Korea's official KCNA news agency said: "If the US brings its carrier to the West Sea of Korea (Yellow Sea), no-one can predict the ensuing consequences."
'Telephone notice'

The BBC's Chris Hogg in Seoul says that, coming just a few hours before the military exercises, the latest warnings and threats from North Korea are certain to anger the South further.

The two marines were killed when North Korea fired dozens of artillery shells at Yeonpyeong Island

In Seoul on Saturday, about 1,000 South Korean military veterans protested at the deaths, burning the North Korean flag and portraits of Pyongyang's leaders. The protesters shouted slogans demanding revenge and condemning the North's "atrocity".

KCNA said Seoul was using the civilian casualties for propaganda, in its words "creating the impression that the defenceless civilians were exposed to indiscriminate shelling from the North".

Pyongyang said it had been provoked by the South's military exercises, which were being carried out close to Yeonpyeong.

It said the North had sent a "telephone notice" on the morning of the shelling "to prevent the clash at the last moment" but the South continued its "provocation".

South Korea says two men in their 60s, who were working on the island, were killed by the shells.

The funeral service for the two marines who died, Seo Jeong-woo and Moon Kwang-wook, was held at a military hospital in Seongnam, close to Seoul, on Saturday and was broadcast on television nationwide.

Hundreds of government and military officials, politicians, religious leaders, activists and civilians attended. Among them were Prime Minister Kim Hwang-sik .

Officials and relatives placed white flowers on the two coffins draped in the South Korean flag. Marines sang as the coffins were carried out.

Maj Gen You Nak-jun, the head of the marine corps, said: "We'll certainly repay North Korea a thousand-fold for killing and harming our marines.

"South Korean active-duty marines and all reserve forces will engrave this anger and hostility in our bones and we will make sure we take revenge on North Korea."

South Korea's new Defence Minister Kim Kwan-jin said that tougher action was needed against the North.

"We need to deal with North Korea's provocations strongly. We need to hit back multiple times as hard."
'Top priority'

The US says Sunday's joint military drills are defensive, but are designed to deter the North from carrying out further attacks.
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North Korea: Timeline 2010

26 March: South Korean warship, Cheonan, sinks, killing 46 sailors

20 May: Panel says a North Korean torpedo sank the ship; Pyongyang denies involvement

July-September: South Korea and US hold military exercises; US places more sanctions on Pyongyang

29 September: North holds rare party congress seen as part of father-to-son succession move

29 October: Troops from North and South Korea exchange fire across the land border

12 November: North Korea shows US scientist new - undeclared - uranium enrichment facility

23 November: North shells island of Yeonpyeong, killing at least four South Koreans

The North calls the military drills an "unpardonable provocation". State media promised a "sea of fire" if North Korean territory was violated.

China said the drills would escalate tension and warned against any infractions into its exclusive economic zone, which extends 320km (200 miles) from its coast.

The US has called on China to increase its pressure on Pyongyang to prevent further incidents.

China has said its "top priority" is to keep the situation under control. Beijing has begun a series of talks in an attempt to ease the tension.

On Friday, China's Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi met the North's ambassador in person, and spoke on the phone to his US and South Korean counterparts, according to the state-run Xinhua news agency.

However, the top US military commander, Adm Mike Mullen, said he did not know "why China doesn't push harder" with Pyongyang.

In an interview with CNN due to be broadcast on Sunday but released as a transcript, Adm Mullen said Beijing appeared to mistakenly believe it could control North Korea's leader, Kim Jong-il.

"I'm not sure he is controllable," Adm Mullen said.

South Korea has increased its troop numbers on Yeonpyeong and says it will change its rules of engagement to allow it to respond more forcefully if incidents such as Tuesday's happen again.

This week's tension comes as the North is undergoing an apparent transition of power from Kim Jong-il to his young son Kim Jong-un.

This looks bad D:. What do you guys think of this, do you think we will get involved in this struggle?

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war at the point would be an overstatement. Bombing runs followed by iraq war troop levels. We won't much around much, they really do have WMD.

But I've always said we should have taken Kim out way before Hussain. Instead of looking for MWD, take out the nut who has them on display.

As a bleeding heart lefty, even I say it's time to end this war.

And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.

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There will be war on the korean peninsula in our lifetime. Whether or not it starts tomorrow or in the next couple days, I couldn't say. N. Korea makes a lot of empty threats. Ironically enough, its when they AREN'T threatening you that you have to worry (Cheonan and the artillery incident occurred without much warning at all). Either way, interesting times indeed.


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Everyone remember: Seoul is in artillery range of the DPRK. If there is war the population will be massacred. Here, look


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Seeing as they definetly have WMD we won't go to was (oh the irony).

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Keep in mind though, we have a naval battlegroup already there. If North Korea wants to try and shell Seoul, we can open up from a greater distance and silence that artiller, as can the South Koreans. If (more than likely should say "when") the cease-fire officially ends between these two, it will be an ugly and bloody fight. I do think that Jong-Il or -un will probably try to use a nuclear weapon if any of the forces push to Pyongyang. However, we (implying us and the South Koreanns) will probably have blown that place into piles of rubble A-Z, so that may or may not be an issue.

However, I could just be blowin smoke because North Korea usually pulls these kinda stunts to show the world "hey, we still exist guys, take us seriously!" Let's hope it's just another one of those situations.

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The usa wouldn't take this crap from anybody ese. It's time the world learned that having nukes won't save you from an good ole butt whoopin. If we don't more countries will think nukes are the way to do what ever the hell you want.

And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.

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Well? What would he do? Hm? I think it's pretty obvious.

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I'm sure he'd kick an ass or two - that's what Brian Boitano would do!

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CrashUSAR wrote:If North Korea wants to try and shell Seoul, we can open up from a greater distance and silence that artiller, as can the South Koreans.


Not fast enough to avert massive civilian casualties.

Almost every post-dated study of Kosovo and Desert Storm indicate that air power isn't rapidly effective against defensive positions.


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Until a nuclear nation starts killing more people than nuclear war would entail, then there really isn't any reason to do anything about such behavior that isn't connected to ego.

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Encourage Japan to go nuclear. Next move the forces stationed in South Korea to Taiwan. Both of those moves are designed to get China's attention. I don't understand where China thinks the radioactive fallout will go? They are rightthere afterall.
   
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Actually, the prevailing winds would blow nearly all the fallout away from China and onto Japan. It's one of the reasons (along with the kidnapping of various B-list actors) that Japan and NK don't get along.

Also, Japan has a severe allergy to nuclear arsenals. Something to do with them being the only country ever to get hit by them. They're incredibly unlikely to ever go nuclear.
   
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DarthDiggler wrote:Encourage Japan to go nuclear. Next move the forces stationed in South Korea to Taiwan. Both of those moves are designed to get China's attention.


Why is provoking China a good thing?


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Also, Japan has a severe allergy to nuclear arsenals. Something to do with them being the only country ever to get hit by them. They're incredibly unlikely to ever go nuclear.


That's debatable.

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Asherian Command wrote:This looks bad D:. What do you guys think of this, do you think we will get involved in this struggle?


If it ever comes to war, I could definitely see the US playing a direct supplementary role to the Republic of Korea's army, and barring any doomsday worst case scenarios, thats it. All of my Army buds that had the pleasure(or displeasure) of being stationed in Korea speak with nothing but awe and respect for ROK soldiers. Those dudes are disciplined, well trained and well equipped, backed by a patriotic population where all but the invalids and females have military training. There seems to be a perception in the US that the troops we have there are holding the line at the DMZ and if not for them, the North Koreans would swoop down and take over the poor defenseless South Koreans. We've been slowly drawing our troops to other hotspots locales because the ROK military is easily one of the top 10 to 15 in the world. Let them fight it, support them with some air power and some Spec Ops and game over North Korea.

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I'm confused about something. People keep stating that their will be a lot of casualties if the conflict is escalated to a full blown war. Casualties? In a war? I don't know, sound pretty far fetched.

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If you look at Olympia's post you can see why casualties being mentioned is a rather important issue. Just because they are a by-product of war doesn't mean they should be disregarded as 'Inevitable'.

   
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Nonsense. The US will just make the "Angry American" face, and North Korea will get so scared it'll crap itself and run into it's own Claymore - or Gaymore

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Medium of Death wrote:If you look at Olympia's post you can see why casualties being mentioned is a rather important issue. Just because they are a by-product of war doesn't mean they should be disregarded as 'Inevitable'.


When are casualties not important? When you say there will be a war and that there are going to be casualties you might as well be saying that water is wet. Hell, creating those casualties will be one of the aims of a war (not on our side, we probably won't bomb Seoul), not a deterrent.

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Ahtman wrote:I'm confused about something. People keep stating that their will be a lot of casualties if the conflict is escalated to a full blown war. Casualties? In a war? I don't know, sound pretty far fetched.


Medium of Death wrote:If you look at Olympia's post you can see why casualties being mentioned is a rather important issue. Just because they are a by-product of war doesn't mean they should be disregarded as 'Inevitable'.


Ahtman wrote:When are casualties not important? When you say there will be a war and that there are going to be casualties you might as well be saying that water is wet. Hell, creating those casualties will be one of the aims of a war (not on our side, we probably won't bomb Seoul), not a deterrent.


I think I must have mis-interpreted your initial comment. I thought you were being flippant about casualties, rather than pointing out people stating the bleeding obvious. My mistake.

   
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Having been stationed in South Korea myself, their troops are no slouches. The are trained and they actually require every male of 18 years or older that can not pay the release fee are obligatorily made to serve 2 or 3 years (I forget exactly).

It kind of reminds of that scene from 300 where the Spartans meet up with the Arcadians and Leonidas points out that he's brought more warriors then his Arcadian comrades.

N. Korea has the cannons and the range to reduce a good amount of S. Korea to rubble. Seoul would be razed to it's foundation and it won't be pretty.

There will be countless lives lost if N. Korea were to open up first...it would be near genocide numbers in the death column.

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What I find interesting is that everyone (not necessarily the above poster) seems to assume that the South Korean military culture could not possibly be reflected in North Korea.

I know there is research which states that democracies tend to field more effective soldiers, but it generally ignores the fact that democracies also tend to field a professional military, or be small nations with conscription cultures and a perceived threat.

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No, I'm clearly stating my basis on the fact that N. Korea doesn't feed it's people and that once the main force is wiped out or taken as P.O.W.'s there isn't anything to fall back on. The S. Korean on the other hand, have males with training and the supplies to take up arms if they need to.

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So does North Korea. Well, not supplies, but definitely people with military training that aren't active soldiers: the 3.5 million militiamen I referred to before.

All of whom are armed in some fashion, whereas South Korean civilians are not.

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dogma wrote:
CrashUSAR wrote:If North Korea wants to try and shell Seoul, we can open up from a greater distance and silence that artiller, as can the South Koreans.


Not fast enough to avert massive civilian casualties.

Almost every post-dated study of Kosovo and Desert Storm indicate that air power isn't rapidly effective against defensive positions.



The way things are going, the war will start on North Korean terms, meaning that Seoul is screwed either way. In any case, we have enough airpower in place to at least keep the gunners heads down until ground troops can overrun the position.


If it ever comes to war, I could definitely see the US playing a direct supplementary role to the Republic of Korea's army, and barring any doomsday worst case scenarios, thats it. All of my Army buds that had the pleasure(or displeasure) of being stationed in Korea speak with nothing but awe and respect for ROK soldiers. Those dudes are disciplined, well trained and well equipped, backed by a patriotic population where all but the invalids and females have military training. There seems to be a perception in the US that the troops we have there are holding the line at the DMZ and if not for them, the North Koreans would swoop down and take over the poor defenseless South Koreans. We've been slowly drawing our troops to other hotspots locales because the ROK military is easily one of the top 10 to 15 in the world. Let them fight it, support them with some air power and some Spec Ops and game over North Korea.


What this man said.

What I find interesting is that everyone (not necessarily the above poster) seems to assume that the South Korean military culture could not possibly be reflected in North Korea.

I know there is research which states that democracies tend to field more effective soldiers, but it generally ignores the fact that democracies also tend to field a professional military, or be small nations with conscription cultures and a perceived threat.


Well for one thing S. Korea uses MODERN (American) technology, as opposed to outdated scrapheaps and rustbuckets from 20-30 years ago. Another thing is that the South is modeled after the American military, has taken part in numerous conflicts since the Korean War, and is, in general, better positioned to engage in a modern conflict than the North. Contrast to the North that hasn't had a military engagement of any importance in 50 years, and is basically trained and equipped along the lines of re-fighting the Korean war all over again, not taking into account the 50 or so years of progress mankind has had in the art of killing eachother.

So does North Korea. Well, not supplies, but definitely people with military training that aren't active soldiers: the 3.5 million militiamen I referred to before.

All of whom are armed in some fashion, whereas South Korean civilians are not.


Do you really think the 3.5 million militiamen are going to grab their guns and shoot their cousins from across the DMZ when they are being offered free food, medical attention, and the right to do whatever they want with their lives? I doubt that...

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The way things are going, the war will start on North Korean terms, meaning that Seoul is screwed either way. In any case, we have enough airpower in place to at least keep the gunners heads down until ground troops can overrun the position.


No, we don't. If you have access to Jstore I can provide citations. If not, you're out of luck.

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Well for one thing S. Korea uses MODERN (American) technology, as opposed to outdated scrapheaps and rustbuckets from 20-30 years ago.


That has nothing to do with military culture.

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Another thing is that the South is modeled after the American military, has taken part in numerous conflicts since the Korean War, and is, in general, better positioned to engage in a modern conflict than the North.


Again, not a cultural thing.

You're talking about experience, I'm talking about determination and commitment to a military goal or ethos. They are very different things.

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Contrast to the North that hasn't had a military engagement of any importance in 50 years, and is basically trained and equipped along the lines of re-fighting the Korean war all over again, not taking into account the 50 or so years of progress mankind has had in the art of killing eachother.


Interestingly enough, deposing the North Korean regime would be very much akin to re-fighting the Korean war. Air power is more significant now, but it isn't a game breaker.

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Do you really think the 3.5 million militiamen are going to grab their guns and shoot their cousins from across the DMZ when they are being offered free food, medical attention, and the right to do whatever they want with their lives? I doubt that...


Have you not paid attention to Iraq or Afghanistan at all?

I mean, honestly dude, there were large bodies of the SK population that actively resisted the transition to democracy when their own government realized it. What do you think follows from a foreign instigation that movement?

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What I find interesting is that everyone (not necessarily the above poster) seems to assume that the South Korean military culture could not possibly be reflected in North Korea.


There are numerous studies of relative trustworthiness that suggest that the average height in the DPRK is approximately 3 inches shorter than that of the ROK. The implications are obvious, but it should, if nothing else, show just how DIFFERENT life is on either side of the DMZ.

The idea that the people on both sides should be similar is a perfectly fine starting point. It makes perfect sense. But then when the actual facts are presented, it becomes clear that despite a shared geneology and history, these are two populations that have been made as different as human effort can make them.

I'd also pass on my dad's impression of the ROK soldiers he saw in Vietnam, which is to say that he was fairly impressed by how organized, disciplined and physically LARGE they were. In short, he described them as being big, sturdy professional soldiers. Not that this changes anything, it's just that all the anecdotal references I see to ROK troops is to praise them as soldiers. It seems to me that the ROK is a nation with a military that's above the average for what a nation of its size and wealth will normally produce. This is not much of a surprise, given that they've technically been at war for the last 55-ish years.

All of whom are armed in some fashion, whereas South Korean civilians are not.


I'd be VERY suprised if the DPRK has 3.5 million armed civillians walking around every day. Stalinist regimes don't typically do well with an armed populace.

No, we don't. If you have access to Jstore I can provide citations.


We just moved a carrier into the region. A carrier air wing can keep a lot of heads down. If things were going to come to blows, I think we'd have a lot more over there before it did.

Plus, let's not forget, we've already seen B2s fly bombing raids from Missouri against Afghanistan, and back. The US is really, really good at projecting force.

I realize you've got citations, but I'd point out two things that we consistently seem to get wrong:

1) How easy it will be to win things militarily.
2) How hard it will be to manage things after victory.

There were predictions of 5000+ US casualties if we attempted an invasion of Baghdad. Nothing even REMOTELY like that occurred.

And then, after trying to keep the peace for 7 years, only then did we start to see anything approaching those thousands of casualties.

As I was saying in the other Korea thread, I don't think it's possible to overstate how good the US is at large scale military action, and how confused we are by virtually everything else.

I mean, honestly dude, there were large bodies of the SK population that actively resisted the transition to democracy when their own government realized it. What do you think follows from a foreign instigation that movement?


There's simply no comparison. Iraq has large swathes of repressed and militarized population, along with a very clannish, regional mentality, all of which adds up to insurgency.

By comparison, the ROK is a modern industrialized nation, full of people with far too much to lose, and that's really what it comes down to in the end. People fight for their clan, or if they have nothing left to lose. The ROK has neither of those pressures, even if they do have a strange tradition of having huge, colorful brawls with riot police.



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Modern Tech can only do so much.

In 1951/2? when the Chinese Army counterattacked, the Allies were simply overwhelmed by numbers. Despite the better kit.

Even if a Coalition was to invade and successfully carry out regime change there is justy going to be another drain on resources with yet another unpopular occupation.

This time the neighbours won't be a bunch of generally benign chaps mostly chuffed you got rid of a disruptive megalomaniac from the region, it will be China.
I doubt if they will be too pleased with the prospect.
I doubt if the USA will won't to risk the potential friction such an occupation would cause with a major ecomomy.

The Chinese militarily are also not as comparitively obsolete as they were 50 odd years ago.

Dogma is correct. As "Shock and Awe" proved in Iraq, there will be the capacity to overwhelm NK comms and infrastructure with airstrikes.
but of itself such tactics don't cause capitulation.

The internal politics of NK is also totally different to the split factions and tribes and previously suppressed opposition to Saddam's regime.

You have a population that will be angry with the allies for the isolation that NK has endured. They won't blame Kim Jong-il for that. They won't be welcoming an invading force with open arms.


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It was anticipated there would be street fighting
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Fortunately that never materialised. Partly because for reasons I outlined above.

It is likely to be different againt the NK
It might be like Iraq, but the Pentagon are not stupid and would not base a campaign on the premise that the NK will roll over.

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Somehow I doubt even China wants to be associated with North Korea.


That's whats strange, they totally do. There's some strange death pact that all the Communist states all seem to cling to. It's like if they admit one of the others is crazy, it might be a little like admitting they're crazy too. And that's really what Communism is all about: keeping the lie going.



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