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2011/01/15 12:34:51
Subject: Re:What's your rating of the Ultramarines movie?
It has a few good points, but has a lot of bad stuff. As in previous replies, I took notice of:
Spoiler:
- 1 cruiser - 1 squad. What a waste.
-They just recover the genetic seed from the first 2 casualties. I think it should be given more importance.
-DOW and DOW2 intros have way better graphics than this movie. Walking movement is awful.
-Almost no fighting.
-They didn't solved the reload issue. When they run out of bullets, they just say "it doesn't work". (Saw spanish version)
-Why they abandon the Landspeeder?
-Reused moments: when demon prince in cruiser hits SM against the column. Used with a marine and the apothecary.
-Mega agile marines, that can jump huge distances. I would like marines to be like walking tanks, no parkour fans.
-SM against Chaos... Any other enemy would have given more variety.
-Before landing, servitors mark marines with purity seals. I thought they was given by Chaplains.
-Plot is bad. Is very foreseeable. Rebel recruit becomes a hero and leads their mates to victory.
-Wielding chainsword gives command???? I thought captain gave it to the recruit just to hit the demon.
Just say that I saw Spanish version, so maybe dialogues have changed in some way. And I am an Imperial Guard commander, so my knowledge about SM can be inaccurate.
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2011/01/16 16:01:59
Subject: What's your rating of the Ultramarines movie?
i liked that there is finally a movie about our hobby, but they got many minor fluff details wrong
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2011/01/20 11:02:53
Subject: What's your rating of the Ultramarines movie?
In order to better asses the impact the movie had had on the community, an extensive survey has been created. The idea is for as many people as possible who have watched the movie to fill it in and a thorough statistical analysis will then be performed on the collected data. The results should give a pretty solid impression of how people reacted to the movie and why. The information could also prove useful in order to improve any next W40k movies, if there will be any.
I'm watching it now, and it seems pretty good.
Some points brought up kind of answer themselves if you know the fluff.
IE: "You go to battle for the first time as Ultramarines."
People complained that they didn't go through the Scout stage. But aren't scouts in most chapters (bar Space Wolves), not considered full Marines whilst they are in the Scouts? I gathered that they've just gone up from Scouts to being full Ultramarines.
2011/01/22 18:14:57
Subject: Re:What's your rating of the Ultramarines movie?
I loved about everything in the movie besides the plot (3.5).
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2011/02/13 08:20:58
Subject: What's your rating of the Ultramarines movie?
A noble effort considering that the budget wasn't big
I rate it as follows:
Plot: Meh. Not very convincing. Also very stereotyped. 2 stars.
Characters: Even more meh. Too 1 dimensional. 1 star.
Graphics: Worse than DOW. Walking was unrealistic. Bolter rounds were unrealistic. 1 1/2 stars.
Fluff-wise: SOme obvious errors. Also the marines died far too easily. Also no self respecting ultramarine captain would attempt a search and rescue with 10 marines and a land speeder. 1 1/2 stars
Overall: Nice try, but not good enough. 2 stars
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2011/02/20 00:57:17
Subject: Re:What's your rating of the Ultramarines movie?
I think they concentrated a little too hard on getting the fluff right, and maybe not enough on making the movie good. The fluff was all there, Abnett would have made sure of that, but the movie was so obviously dictated by its budget. Why on earth was an entire Company of Space Marines guarding that shrine? Why would you build a shrine on an uninhabited planet? Why did the planet have to be uninhabited? You could have said it was an agri/hive/forge world, but simply not shown any of the complex agri/hive/forge bits that would have taken up money/time. Why was the relic that AN ENTIRE COMPANY OF IMPERIAL FISTS ......
I can't get over this, one Space Marine for each one of the Imperium's million worlds, and a hundred of them guarding a holy relic that
Spoiler:
they didn't f*cking notice it was actually a daemon book. Don't they have people to check these things?
Plot = crap,
Characters/ voice acting = probably the best bit there...
Animation = good enough considering the budget limitations
Sound = awesome simply because of the chunky bolter sounds.
Give it half. 2/4. Why's this out of four instead of the normal five anyway?
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2011/02/20 01:59:06
Subject: What's your rating of the Ultramarines movie?
On the 'why weren't they scouts before this' thing:
The putting novices = scouts thing is utterly ridiculous, and I'm glad they changed that. Scout duty demands an incredibly highly trained soldier, even by SM standards. They have to be the people that are best qualified to survive and report back, one dead scout squad=losing a battle if they have critical information.
Of course, the rookies were doing scout duty anyway, so I don't know that they actually fixed much.
That said, a lot of the other fluff was bad, even from a non 40k perspective (did the armor manage to stop any shots at all?).
2011/02/20 15:41:37
Subject: Re:What's your rating of the Ultramarines movie?
Just watched the movie again, and it kinda explains one of the issues I brought up in my last post.
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The issue of 'Why, oh why do the Imperial Fists have a relic which is actually a daemon book?' Apparently the Emperor gave it to them at the founding of their Chapter/Legion. <- he says Chapter but probably means Legion. This makes sense to give a daemon book to be safeguarded from Daemons to the Chapter who specialize in defence. Still doesn't explain the entire uninhabited world bit fully (although you presumably wouldn't want a daemon weapon book on a populated world) or the entire Company guarding it (although, fair dose, it would have apparently destroyed Macragge, so it's a POWERFUL daemon weapon book). Okay, plot makes slightly more sense now. I still can't justify a Company for one book, (Chapter Honour would have stopped them from turning it over to the Grey Knights, if they even knew what it was), and I suppose, on their Fortress Monastery, it would have been just as dangerous as having it on a Hive world, with the addition of Librarians who would presumably be able to sense it/ be enticed by it.
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2011/02/21 11:45:39
Subject: What's your rating of the Ultramarines movie?
I too gave it a 3, the marines did move freely as the fluff dictates they would, they did do rites, maybe what they meant to say that this was their first battle in powered armor
I was expecting worse and would say that yes, they did seem to have a few things mixed up, maybe next time they will have read some of the better stuff and get things less muddled like chaplains do not do librarians sort of things.
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2011/02/21 18:05:58
Subject: Re:What's your rating of the Ultramarines movie?
I've just received and watched my copy, I must admit that despite reading the criticisms on here and even though I was not expecting too much I was still disappointed.
The way the Marines walked was not quite natural but it really didn't bother me. The speach at the beginning was a little confusing until I read the Comic and realised that they meant that they were on their first mission as full space marines not scouts. I was surprised at the story line as it was written by Dan Abnett (one of my favourite 40k authors) and it was really basic and linear with no side plots and a fairly poor twist!? I was so pleased to find that they had made a 40k film even the fact it was cgi animated didn't bother me but it was just too simple and really was just a bit of running and gunning with a mental need for glory! The apothacary also annoyed me as he actually came across as a coward at points!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh and I paid £25 for it which would have got me a new release blu ray, not that I begrudge them the money as I am happy to support anything that brings the 40k universe to film, but it is still a fair point that it is quite expensive when compared to other bigger budget films that are on a higher definition format.
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It was a good start into a generally obscure and fairly unexplored realm of 40k-ness.
yes, a little more time put into small details of fluff could have satisfied us geeks.
That said the plot was terrible, but to a slight extent there is only one line that such a 40k story can only really take...
The acting was good. Terence stamp's voice is almost perfect for a space marine, john hurt also to a lesser extent.
Overall it could have been better but all things considered it really isn't too bad.
What would have been a smarter route would have been to make a film out of a current black library novel. That would give you an interesting plot...maybe one of the short stories to keep it fairly short.
for me; 2.5 out of 4
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2011/02/23 02:18:07
Subject: What's your rating of the Ultramarines movie?
I gave it three and a half stars. Good graphics and Good voices. the plot was odd and some things really didn't add up with canon. The demon looked like a overgrown Bloodletter for a large portion of the movie.
Also, let's throw a powersword away and grab a chainsword instead.
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2011/02/23 07:14:58
Subject: What's your rating of the Ultramarines movie?
Did anybody seen the Russia version? I downloaded it by mistake the voice over on that on is briliant one guy doing all the voices with no voice acting space marines sound like the blood thirster its hillarious
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2011/02/27 05:24:28
Subject: What's your rating of the Ultramarines movie?
I felt that the people that did it, really had never read the fluff in depth. It was like they read an overview of the game, did a wiki look up to get info on the game specificis.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ok, this bothered me because of the lack of researched Connor did. I don't think he realized that Dan Abnett wrote the story himself. The man who has successfully published more Warhammer fluff than most people can even fathom.... the author of the Horus Heresy series, Gaunt's Ghost, Legion, ect.
I give it a 3, because of the graphics and lack of action. Dawn of War cutsceens had better graphics and action. But I still gave it a 3 because this was the first Warhammer movie, so they had to use some one as iconic as the Ultra Mar.
But yeah, that comment bugged me
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It's a border between 3 and a half and four. I voted 4 in the poll, becasue im nice
Positive things:
I think the drama and accion was good, there was plenty of suspense, which is what you expect from these types of movies. I think the voice acting and animating was very well done as well, great looking film, imo. The plot was good, i'm glad they didn't choose just a war, as that would've got boring, Dan Abnett has written to his standard it seems. The bestthing for me was not knowing who was good or bad. As one of the characters said "You can't tell who is infected by Chaos" (or something like that) and my suspisions of various characters switched throughout the film, excellent.
Bad things:
Not much in my opinion, there were a few little things, such as why the marines walked around in no cover (not that there was much) and also a few errors in the backround, and often some things were predictable. The main thing i'd mark the film down on is it's legnth, it was too short imo, a lot more action could have been put in.
So to conclude, a great start. A tense exciting movie with only a few minor downsides, hopefully we'll be seeing more of these in the future!
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I felt that the people that did it, really had never read the fluff in depth. It was like they read an overview of the game, did a wiki look up to get info on the game specificis.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ok, this bothered me because of the lack of researched Connor did. I don't think he realized that Dan Abnett wrote the story himself. The man who has successfully published more Warhammer fluff than most people can even fathom.... the author of the Horus Heresy series, Gaunt's Ghost, Legion, ect.
I give it a 3, because of the graphics and lack of action. Dawn of War cutsceens had better graphics and action. But I still gave it a 3 because this was the first Warhammer movie, so they had to use some one as iconic as the Ultra Mar.
But yeah, that comment bugged me
Dawn of war Cut-scenes had a multi-million dollar budget for less than ten minutes.
Imagine if the movie had of had a 90 million dollar budget instead of 9 million
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2011/03/11 17:54:28
Subject: Re:What's your rating of the Ultramarines movie?
I wasn't expecting that good of a movie, so it honestly surprised me...Really, my major problem was the fact there was so much suspension but it didn't deliver in the end
Why on earth was an entire Company of Space Marines guarding that shrine? Why would you build a shrine on an uninhabited planet? Why did the planet have to be uninhabited? You could have said it was an agri/hive/forge world, but simply not shown any of the complex agri/hive/forge bits that would have taken up money/time. Why was the relic that AN ENTIRE COMPANY OF IMPERIAL FISTS ......
I can't get over this, one Space Marine for each one of the Imperium's million worlds, and a hundred of them guarding a holy relic that
Spoiler:
they didn't f*cking notice it was actually a daemon book. Don't they have people to check these things?
Tell me about....It was so slowed......But what made me so furious and angry is the way they showed the chaos marines
Spoiler:
They made them slowed as orks! Chaos marines are veterans and why then they charged the squad on an open feild. How did the chaos marines die that easy/ What made me really angry is to see how the rookies owned the entire army of those black legion berzerkers! I was just laughing my ass off during the whole moveI. OH AND LET NOT GET STARTED ON THE BANNER!
I give it a 1/5 Only thing what was good was the voice acting...Everything else is complete Nurgle crap!I appreciate that they tried to do something for he fans but this is not for the fans. I wish they would have gotten a better director and they would have planned the entire thing a bit more carefully....Im sorry A LOT MORE THEN JUST CAREFULL!
2011/04/18 02:49:34
Subject: What's your rating of the Ultramarines movie?