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Fine...
Party pooper

lol sos man i just had to put my foot down there, but to be fair im not the one making this dex and i wont hold it against you if you ignore me and give him s6 weps

anyhoo
stormshields or equivalent? I think its fitting

Of course they'll have stormshields
And if I do str 6 power weapons, they'll be two handed and - 1 initiative
And I'll make it so you can't take it with termie armour

Hallelulagh

Yayz!

I wanna say squad size 1-11 just to be Malally but I get that you'll get some awkward number if you go 11.

i think that would be better even though most people arnt going to bother with the full 11.....


hold the funky phone

Have a thinks abouts thisssssss

If the squad numbers 11 models then one model may be upgraded to a Herald of Malal for 15pts (+1 a, +1ws)

Ws6!

This is definitely would be one of the scarier units in 40k. I'd imagine possibly for the base unit, 25-30 pts a model?

definitly

^
I agree in that price range
Chosen are 18pts (in C:CSM) so I think 20 should be aproppriet.
-Infiltrate
+1 I and Ws

your essentially buying khrne berserkers that get to keep the +1 init but loose the +1 strgth

and theyre 23...


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or are they 21? i cant remember

Ok
I still say 20
Acually, 25, I mean, we are giving them power weapons as their basic weapon

o.o no

not for 25 points

a marine is a minimum of 30 points with a power weapon

MINIMUM

and these guys are not only Marines they are ws5 i5 IC marines

Fine 30

Ok i can live with that, although they will feel incredibly overpowered, why not just give them the option of buying power weapons? make it a 15 pt unit and you can just buy the power weapons for 15, that way you can field more of them if you dont want the power weapons, if your playing against the likes of orks or kroot for instance

If they get the option of buying power weapons, I'd say drop it back down to 20.

nah the point is that the cost will be the same but it gives people the choice

Oh whoops, didn't see drop them to fifteen points apiece, just make the power sword a 15 pt option.

exactly

mm, but for 15pts, we are getting a chaos marine with BETTER leadership, Ws and I
I say 18-20. Sorry! but they are essentially Cosen -infiltrate + better Ws and I

True, *nodding*

Izez smart!

So pretty much we've agreed on this so far.

Doomed Ones

18-20 ppm

Ws5
Bs4
S4
T4
W1
I5
A2
Sv3+/5++

Unit size: 1-11

Wargear: Power Armour, Bolter, Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Frak grenades, Krak grenades

Special Rules: Independent Character

Character: If the squad numbers 11 models then one model may be upgraded to a Herald (+1 Ws, +1 A) for 15 pts.

Options:

1 in 3 models may take melta bombs for 5 points

May upgrade bolt pistol ammunition to be poisoned (4+) for __ ppm

Squad may take Terminator armor with twin linked bolter for 15 ppm

Models may replace ccw with power weapons for 15 ppm

Models may replace ccw with lightning claw for __ ppm

Models may give up bolter and ccw for pair of lightning claws for __ ppm

Squad may take jump packs for __ ppm

Squad may take bikes for __ ppm

Squads may take Stormshields for __ ppm

You need to include rules about how they are independant characters on the board but otherwise sure

Whoops, fixed

I Like that lol, a squad of independant characters that start AS a squad

hehe, cool

Thanks blackhoof

I play a "Malal" chaos marine army so I'm probably a bit biased but for me when I read this:" Malal was the embodiment of Chaos' indiscriminate and anarchic tendency toward destruction, even of itself and its own agents. The nature of Malal's/Malice's powers is parasitic, as the Renegade God grows in power only when the other Ruinous Powers do." I see Malal's nature as a very visceral description that represents an aspect present in all Chaos followers but personified by him.

When I read the description I tended to think this sounds alot like how chaos dreadnoughts and enhanced warriors play while fitting into the nature of how chaos spawn come into existence. Chaos Dreadnoughts and Chaos Spawn are those scraps of chaos made from the failures of those who serve the ruinous powers and really play into Malal's parasitic nature where upon Malal only ascends in power by climbing on the corpses of those seeking power from the other ruinous powers. Fabius Biles' enhanced warrior in much the same way represent this chaotic demand for power and Chaos' willingness to risk self destruction for more power.

The old description for Chaos Undivided said it represent not just an evenly split allegiance with the big 4 chaos gods, but could represent allegiance to Chaos in general or the allegiance to a lesser power. With that regard Malal is a lesser power, one that shuns the others. To elevate Malal from that catch all category to proper god hood, I think we should really see his followers portrayed as a variation of the most strictly undivided units. For example, his lesser daemons might just be a variation of Fury's with a more Pterodactyl shaped head. Malal's followers are thus uber-undivided and those discontent with their respective Chaos deity.

This thread jumps on the "Kaleb Daark" concept of how Malal should be represented, which I think is a bit conceptually weak. The single great warrior works as a special character not so much a theme to define a codex.

Some philosphical points:

Vladsimpaler wrote:OK. First off, Malal's whole deal is that he hates Chaos. So everyone with the Mark of Malal should have Preferred Enemy: Chaos

Malal doesn't hate Chaos, far from it. Malal's form of Chaos is the most indiscriminate. The other ruinous power's can at least find time to cooperate, Malal wouldn't make that distinction and just fight who it felt like.

If there is a story in the 40k Chaos mythos that I think best reflects the tendencies of Malal's followers and parallels the fantasy representation, such a "Kaleb Daark" I think its some of the versions of the story of Cypher and the Fallen Angels. Fighting for and agianst chaos as he chooses, after fighting a practically self destructive fight in the pursuit of power.

If I wrote a story about a follower of Malal it would be something of two brothers in arms who fought and slaughterd for Chaos and upon climbing the mountain top and demanding power from chaos, out of the ether a voice commands them to kill each other and then themself to attain an immortal form. Where upon they both die, becoming a daemon weapon and a daemon prince who are in a constant struggle for control that results in them switching between the daemonic soul possessing the sword and the daemon prince itself. It kinda reflects the notion of an Ouroboros. On the tabletop they'd be a special character with two different statlines and two different rules for the daemon weapon, where each turn you roll to see if the daemon weapon consumes the prince to regain control.

I think the nature of Malal is one where you can make the arguement that with the acception of the strictest followers a large number of Malal's followers don't necessarily realize what they're worshipping and those very few who do don't necessarily share that fact for fear of repercusions from the greater powers.