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I figured it out. Fire the elderly. Anyone over 60...no...55 will be let go and all those positions will be suddenly open. On top of that it will create new jobs that deal with the hordes of indigent old people that swarm the country. It is a bulletproof idea.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
There are some who walk until their legs fail them and they fall to the ground. I find that respectable.
Then there are those who drag themselves further. I find that admirable.
ZOMBIE CAT wrote:2. fewer restrictions on buisneses
Yeah, THAT has worked SO well for us in the last ten years.
The last ten years have been a time of the most restrictive business environment than any time since World War II. Try again.
I find that hard to believe given that lack of proper regulation is basically what caused the financial collapse a few years ago.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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Phanatik wrote:
A federal income tax is paid by a citizen of the U.S. to fund the activities of the federal government. Someone in Turkey, for instance, generally doesn't pay a federal income tax to the U.S. government because he isn't a citizen of the U.S. The fairest tax is one where all citizens pay the exact same amount, as all citizens are equally citizens. It should not matter that the amount is a smaller percentage of a successful person's income, as compared to a minimum wage employee's income. They are both equally citizens, they each get one vote.
So, you're essentially arguing that every citizen receives the same benefit from the activities of federal government, and so should pay the same amount?
If that is your point, then the counter-argument is simply that your initial assumption if flawed. This is true if we're arguing from either material benefits of federal activities, or political influence (votes).
Phanatik wrote:
Even so-called "poor" people should be required to pay some tax, because if you don't have skin in the game, you don't care as much. Also, it'd be a free ride.
Per your example, "skin in the game" would be determined by citizenship, not fiscal contribution, as any particular shift in tax policy would have the potential to impact any given citizen.
Phanatik wrote:
The next fairest tax would be the same rate, say 10%. A person 10x as successful as someone would be paying 10x the amount, whatever the rate, which is unfortunately only a start for liberals who want to punish success. They can't logically state what "fairness" is, so rates have been as high as the 90s in the past.
Of course they can, there exist a nearly unlimited amount of ways to reasonably determine fairness, its an extremely vague idea. The common one being based on a blend of ability to pay, and derived benefit.
Either way, that's all secondary, because fairness is only relevant to tax policy insofar as it can be used to rhetorically generate support for a given tax code.
Phanatik wrote:
In what warped sense of logic does it seem fair to take 90% of what a person owns?
Fairness isn't defined by logic, logic determines whether or not an argument regarding the nature of fairness is valid. The question you want to ask is "What sort of fairness allows for 90% of a person's income to be taken in taxes?"
The answer is that, even though derived benefit and ability to pay can be used to justify such a move, taxation is only about fairness insofar as rhetoric is concerned. More pressing is the concern over efficient generation of revenue for the state.
Phanatik wrote:
And for another poster: yes, liberals are socialists/marxists, if you look at the agenda of liberals today. if you consider yourself a liberal and the truth hurts, then perhaps you should re-evaluate what you think you believe.
Wait, how are you determining the agenda of liberals? According to the agenda of the Democrats? If that's the case, how do you reconcile your understanding of the liberal agenda with things like No Child Left Behind, and Medicare Part D, both passed by a GOP Administration?
Are Republicans also liberal, or is "liberal" just your tag for your own personal opposition? Because, if the latter is the case, then you should really just say your opposed to Marxism and Socialism (you shouldn't use them interchangeably either, it makes you appear to not understand what each position entails).
Phanatik wrote:
P.S. Oh, thanks for fixing the link that the website didn't activate properly. I'm not certain of my culpability in this matter. I'm certain it doesn't change my perspective.
The end code for a hyperlink on dakka is [/url] not [url/], you actually made the mistake twice. Once in that post, and again in a subsequent one.
The point being, if you're going to be a stickler regarding typos, you should at least review your own posts. I mean, there is a "preview" button.
Phanatik wrote:
Actually, this statement shows how a person is pretty disconnected from the legal/political system. you must think every decision happens in a vacuum. The U.S. 9th(?) Circuit court in California is the most overturned court in the U.S. Why? Because it has a majority of liberal activist judges that rule against the law. cases must then be sent over their heads (higher up the legal food chain) to be brought back into line with the law (reality).
So, given that you ignored the larger point of Conservative activism which would fit with your definition of the term, you reall are just using it to mean "decisions I don't like".
Good work.
Dice Monkey wrote:
Except Chilies GDP has been in constant growth since the 1980's and remains the leading economy in the region.
Since 1985, if we're being specific, which coincides with the second round of economic reforms that began returning elements of socialism to Chilean economic policy. Prior to that, performance was below the regional average.
That isn't to say that opening Chile's economy wasn't important to growing the economy, it absolutely was, rather I'm claiming that state policy cannot rely on the market alone to generate long-term growth.
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Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
Another republican blaming Obama for not getting us out of the recession, and "not doing anything" when the Republicans have stated over and over they want Obama to be a one-term president. They have admitted to being an obstructionist congress, which is essentially them voting no on anything he is behind, no matter if it is good/bad/kitties.
Like, what the feth do you want him to do? He's tried to cooperate with Republicans quite a bit (enough to make his Democratic buddies calling him a Republican) and they just say "Hell no, darkie, we need Rick Perry!"
Whatever, Obama will be reelected anyways if nobody better runs for office.
rubiksnoob wrote:Well, I think it's a little soon to start thinking about replacing him. The poor guy only kicked the bucket today.
Are you posting in the wrong thread?
Is this not the thread on how America can create a new Jobs?
Mwahahahahahaha!
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Dice Monkey wrote:It is very easy to be that way when you have populations smaller than most large cities and are sitting on top of vast natural resources
You're confusing Norway with the rest of Scandanavia. Neither Denmark nor Sweden are noted for the natural resources, but still maintain high standards or living and fairly egalitarian societies.
Except Chilies GDP has been in constant growth since the 1980's and remains the leading economy in the region.
Except, of course, the Chilean economy collapsed under Pinochet, and that economic growth in Chile only became sustainable when left wing reform began to reduce poverty in the mid 90s.
Melissia wrote:Or the fact that they are selling cars made by people making 50 dollars an hour to people making 15 dollars an hour. You do the math.
That makes no sense. To follow your logic no doctor's office in the world would be sustainable, because they're selling their services at $150 an hour to people earning $15. You need to go back and read how trade words.
Never mind that (badly mangled or not) your point was relevant to the US car industry of 1980 and that we've seen three decades of reductions in pay and conditions for automotive workers.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Secondly give no taxes to all new SMALL/MID SIZED startups. Let them grow and then in say 5 years start taxing them. This encourages growth and gives leeway for paying employees. The tax system is so that this probably would only work in 45% of all startups, but that alone would be a boost in the economy.
We need to get back to what made us so great, our in house production. Remember the motto "Made in America?" That actually used to mean something, now it means stay away, it will fall apart faster than you can afford to replace it.
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RIP Diz, We will never forget ya brother
Kilkrazy wrote:That is an admirably American way of thinking.
Why is it ethical to pay taxes that you're not required to pay? If it is ethical to pay more than you're required, how much above your tax rate is sufficiently ethical?
Those are good questions and my answer is that ethical thinking demands you consider them.
Toeing the precise line of the government law is a complete abandonment of your responsibility to think ethically. You give the government the job of doing your thinking for you.
Frazzled wrote:This is not difficult.
1. Invade Canada, Greenland, and Antarctica (in that order). We now own the poles baby! If you see anything alienlike in a block of ice, leave it the &*%^% alone.
Frazzie, turn the map 90 degrees.
Now the sunny bits you want to invade are central America, Central Africa India and South East Asia.
I don't want the sunny bits. I want the cold bits, which will be come sunny bits when the GreenhouseGeddon comes. If Al Gore says it, it must be true. I'm just thinking long term baby.
At the Houston museum there is a mockup of raptors attacking an anklosaur type dinosaur. Its really cool. Made me wonder though, iof I had a remington 870 80 million years ago, would raptors taste like chicken and TRex like coconut?
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rubiksnoob wrote:
alarmingrick wrote:
rubiksnoob wrote:Well, I think it's a little soon to start thinking about replacing him. The poor guy only kicked the bucket today.
Are you posting in the wrong thread?
Is this not the thread on how America can create a new Jobs?
Frankenstein Jobs? I like your thinking!
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Melissia wrote:Or the fact that they are selling cars made by people making 50 dollars an hour to people making 15 dollars an hour. You do the math.
That makes no sense. To follow your logic no doctor's office in the world would be sustainable, because they're selling their services at $150 an hour to people earning $15. You need to go back and read how trade words.
Never mind that (badly mangled or not) your point was relevant to the US car industry of 1980 and that we've seen three decades of reductions in pay and conditions for automotive workers.
Wrong person sebster, that wasn't me, that was his response to me lol.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
Kylis wrote:Gettin rid of the Puerto Rican and Mexican illegal immigrants is a good way to start opening new jobs for Americans. Moving to Europe is also a good move as there are many open jobs here.
I'm not sure if you're trolling, or if this is legitimate ignorance, but Puerto Ricans are American citizens, just as if they were born in Iowa or Ohio.
Additionally, the entire population of Puerto Rico is a third the population of New York City alone. If every single man, woman, and child moved from the island to the mainland it wouldn't measurably affect unemployment.
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lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
Bah, you can't consider them Puerto Ricans Americans-- CAUSE THEY MEXICAN!
*hides from angry Puerto Ricans*
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
Kilkrazy wrote:That is an admirably American way of thinking.
Why is it ethical to pay taxes that you're not required to pay? If it is ethical to pay more than you're required, how much above your tax rate is sufficiently ethical?
Those are good questions and my answer is that ethical thinking demands you consider them.
Toeing the precise line of the government law is a complete abandonment of your responsibility to think ethically. You give the government the job of doing your thinking for you.
No, you don't understand. If a CEO doesn't take advantage of a tax break, whether it is a loophole or just a break, without an actual concrete business reason to do so, he can be sued by the shareholders.
He has an actual literal legal obligation to maximize shareholder value.
Melissia wrote:Bah, you can't consider them Puerto Ricans Americans-- CAUSE THEY MEXICAN!
*hides from angry Puerto Ricans*
They're actually just a territory, Puerto Rico I mean.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Melissia wrote:Bah, you can't consider them Puerto Ricans Americans-- CAUSE THEY MEXICAN!
*hides from angry Puerto Ricans*
They're actually just a territory, Puerto Rico I mean.
Which means they are.... American Citizens. Just like Ohio or Nebraska or any other place full of "real 'murkins".
I didn't say they weren't - PR I mean. Mexico...later.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
that this probably would only work in 45% of all startups, but that alone would be a boost in the economy.
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