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As implied, this is a discussion for how America as a whole can get jobs back. What do you believe is the right road?

As a side note, here is what Congress is doing:

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9Q4VMT81.htm

The Senate is advancing legislation to punish China for undervaluing its currency and taking away American jobs. At issue is whether the measure would boost the American economy or initiate a damaging trade war with a major trading partner.

And here is what a private businessman is doing:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/03/us-starbucks-idUSTRE7921M320111003

Starbucks Corp CEO Howard Schultz, decrying a lack of leadership in Washington, said his chain of coffee shops is helping to launch a nationwide fund designed to stimulate U.S. job creation.

Several states will also be increasing their minimum wage shortly; some argue higher rates mean being less competitive with other areas of the US and the world.

This is not difficult.
1. Invade Canada, Greenland, and Antarctica (in that order). We now own the poles baby! If you see anything alienlike in a block of ice, leave it the &*%^% alone.
2. Pump out Greenhouse gases like no tomorrow.
3. Sell grade A real estate to the rest of the post apocalypse world = profit!

Alternatively, genetically create anklosaurs and Utah raptors. Parachute them over North Korea. Video for our amusement.

IMHO i think the only thing the US gov can do to help create jobs is

1. cheeper energy
2. fewer restrictions on buisneses

Frazzled wrote:This is not difficult.
1. Invade Canada, Greenland, and Antarctica (in that order). We now own the poles baby! If you see anything alienlike in a block of ice, leave it the &*%^% alone.
2. Pump out Greenhouse gases like no tomorrow.
3. Sell grade A real estate to the rest of the post apocalypse world = profit!

Alternatively, genetically create anklosaurs and Utah raptors. Parachute them over North Korea. Video for our amusement.

Fazzled is on to something here...

ZOMBIE CAT wrote:2. fewer restrictions on buisneses

Yeah, THAT has worked SO well for us in the last ten years.

Perhaps punish companies for outsourcing?

Melissia wrote:

ZOMBIE CAT wrote:2. fewer restrictions on buisneses

Yeah, THAT has worked SO well for us in the last ten years.

If by unemployment being lower than yea, it really did.

Redistribute wealth.

No, seriously.

Jobs are based on the need for labor. When labor is needed, jobs open up. What fuels need? Consumer demand. We can try to export more goods, which will help a bit, but requires competing against much lower labor costs.

Or we can increase domestic demand for domestics services (and to a lesser extent goods).

The US can, and does, compete internationally in production, just not on stuff that can be built on cheap machinery by semi-skilled labor. Instead of trying to run headfirst into the thicket, why not invest in service industry jobs that can't be outsourced?

The problem is that services need to be consumed by the middle and working class to be a growth industry. Which means we need to put spending power in the hands of consumers to create jobs.

Some economic deregulation will help, but not the sort proposed by the political-industrial oligarchy. Jobs are created by small businesses. You know, the ones that are growing. Lowering taxes on large corporations (and their share holders) won't create jobs. Making it easier to start new small businesses will.

So, yeah, increase progressive tax rates, step in locally and on the state level to make business easier on the ground level, and allow entrepeneurism blossom.

Or, we can instead redefine how we view jobs and work, since it's pretty apparent that the country is more than able to meet all of it's production needs with high unemployment.

How about we make american business hire americans......

how does that sound...

Bring out the secret guns in energy production that they have bought up and kept locked due to oil companies pressures.

bombboy1252 wrote:How about we make american business hire americans......

how does that sound...

Well....

it sounds like you want to increase the price of food while creating millions of less than minimum wage jobs.

Illegal immigrants aren't stealing jobs that pay $35k a year with benefits, you do realize that right?

That said, ending the farce that Illegal Immigration exists because brown criminals want to steal our jobs is a good thing. We'll have real immigration reform right around the time the agriculture lobby stops being influential.

I'd get comfy.

Frazzled wrote:

Melissia wrote:

ZOMBIE CAT wrote:2. fewer restrictions on buisneses

Yeah, THAT has worked SO well for us in the last ten years.

If by unemployment being lower than yea, it really did.

No, because unemployment is higher.

Impose the same trading restrictions on China that Chnia imposes on the US for starters.

But the real issue is that you NEED a certain level of unemployment in order to avoid to high inflation, thus no country on the planet would ever want 0% unemployment.

Polonius wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:How about we make american business hire americans......

how does that sound...

Well....

it sounds like you want to increase the price of food while creating millions of less than minimum wage jobs.

Illegal immigrants aren't stealing jobs that pay $35k a year with benefits, you do realize that right?

That said, ending the farce that Illegal Immigration exists because brown criminals want to steal our jobs is a good thing. We'll have real immigration reform right around the time the agriculture lobby stops being influential.

I'd get comfy.

This is a thread about how to create jobs, never said I had to list downsides

and I wasn't JUST talking about illegel immigrants, what about the little asian kids making you're sneakers? they get paid like what, 3 cents an hour?

Pyriel- wrote:Impose the same trading restrictions on China that Chnia imposes on the US for starters.

But the real issue is that you NEED a certain level of unemployment in order to avoid to high inflation, thus no country on the planet would ever want 0% unemployment.

Not so much that, as a low level of unemployment indicates economic mobility.

But a high level of unemployment indicates stagnation...

Melissia wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Melissia wrote:

ZOMBIE CAT wrote:2. fewer restrictions on buisneses

Yeah, THAT has worked SO well for us in the last ten years.

If by unemployment being lower than yea, it really did.

No, because unemployment is higher.

In the Obama administration, yes indeed. In adminstrations that followed that belief then its an incorrect statement (Kennedy, Reagan, Clinton...)

Right, because as we know, as long as it's politically convenient, a bad economic situation develops immediately rather than slowly over time, and can be blamed on the current president, not the former, amirite?

Melissia wrote:Right, because as we know, as long as it's politically convenient, a bad economic situation develops immediately rather than slowly over time, and can be blamed on the current president, not the former, amirite?

In America....yes, that's EXACTLY how it goes

bombboy1252 wrote:
This is a thread about how to create jobs, never said I had to list downsides

and I wasn't JUST talking about illegel immigrants, what about the little asian kids making you're sneakers? they get paid like what, 3 cents an hour?

You can't fight globalization. You can try, and you will fail.

Do you know why? Commodities prices are controlled by the cheapest producer. No matter how little more it costs to make sneakers in the US, that business will eventually fail.

People will pay a premium for quality, or features, or even novelty. They will not pay a premium because it's made in the US.

Melissia wrote:Right, because as we know, as long as it's politically convenient, a bad economic situation develops immediately rather than slowly over time, and can be blamed on the current president, not the former, amirite?

Thats seems obviated by Obama who has turned blaming into a high art.




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Polonius wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:
This is a thread about how to create jobs, never said I had to list downsides

and I wasn't JUST talking about illegel immigrants, what about the little asian kids making you're sneakers? they get paid like what, 3 cents an hour?

You can't fight globalization. You can try, and you will fail.

Do you know why? Commodities prices are controlled by the cheapest producer. No matter how little more it costs to make sneakers in the US, that business will eventually fail.

People will pay a premium for quality, or features, or even novelty. They will not pay a premium because it's made in the US.

Unless of course, your nation doesn't trade with the nation that makes the cheapest sneakers.

I think the best way to get jobs is to actually manufacture our own goods, instead of buying everything from china...

bombboy1252 wrote:I think the best way to get jobs is to actually manufacture our own goods, instead of buying everything from china...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage

Not to be rude, but at least a basic understanding of economics will help in a discussion about economics.

Saying the US should manufacture it's own goods is roughly as well thought out as saying that Doctors should grow their own food.

Polonius wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:I think the best way to get jobs is to actually manufacture our own goods, instead of buying everything from china...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage

Not to be rude, but at least a basic understanding of economics will help in a discussion about economics.

Saying the US should manufacture it's own goods is roughly as well thought out as saying that Doctors should grow their own food.

Meh, I'm 16 and I listen to what my family says as they rabble about on thanksgiving/christmas...

and I'm bored in college because my class got canceled, so I was looking to head into a discussion I thought would get heated.

But a high level of unemployment indicates stagnation...

To high yes, it needs to be there but on acceptable levels.



http://www.euronews.net/business-newswires/1143037-china-warns-of-trade-war-if-us-currency-bill-passes/

This is what USA should do to get more jobs.

This is the one bill that NEEDS to pass...but even if it did I expect Ohbummer to veto it.

Perhaps you could explain on how exactly that would help.

I'm unable to access that page right now (dunno why, there's no banned pages taht I know of using my college's Wi-Fi).

Gettin rid of the Puerto Rican and Mexican illegal immigrants is a good way to start opening new jobs for Americans. Moving to Europe is also a good move as there are many open jobs here.

Repealing minimum wage laws would lead to more jobs created.

They would be low-paying jobs, but IMO it's better to have productive citizens at low-paying jobs than non-productive citizens with no jobs.

The difference may be taken up by welfare and/or private charity.

Polonius wrote:Illegal immigrants aren't stealing jobs that pay $35k a year with benefits, you do realize that right?

No, but they are taking a lot of construction jobs and devaluing the labor of the average construction worker.

Kylis wrote:Gettin rid of the Puerto Rican and Mexican illegal immigrants is a good way to start opening new jobs for Americans. Moving to Europe is also a good move as there are many open jobs here.

Puerto Rican's can't immigrate to the US, legally or iillegally.

biccat wrote:Repealing minimum wage laws would lead to more jobs created.

They would be low-paying jobs, but IMO it's better to have productive citizens at low-paying jobs than non-productive citizens with no jobs.

The difference may be taken up by welfare and/or private charity.

That's undeniable that more jobs will open up. Of course....

Polonius wrote:Illegal immigrants aren't stealing jobs that pay $35k a year with benefits, you do realize that right?

No, but they are taking a lot of construction jobs and devaluing the labor of the average construction worker.

...it would also devalue labor.

Getting rid of minimum wage laws would open up some jobs, but I think it would limit long term growth, because minimum wage jobs, much less jobs that pay less than that, keep a person stuck in poverty. You grow an economy by increasing consumer demand, not by cutting wages at the bottom.

Polonius wrote:...it would also devalue labor.

I think a lot of American labor is overvalued. Which is why there's external pressure to compete for "American jobs" like service, construction, and farming. When an employer can choose between paying a minimum wage to an American and below minimum wage to a Mexican, you get a better view of the value of that labor.

Polonius wrote:Getting rid of minimum wage laws would open up some jobs, but I think it would limit long term growth, because minimum wage jobs, much less jobs that pay less than that, keep a person stuck in poverty. You grow an economy by increasing consumer demand, not by cutting wages at the bottom.

Demand is only one part of growth, production is another. Someone who is paid $5/hour is providing a benefit to the economy. If he is paid $5/hour by the government, the money is coming from the taxpayer (eventually) and therefore must be taken out of the economy elsewhere.

Simply put, it's cheaper to pay someone $500/mo in welfare than it is to pay them $1000/mo in unemployment.

When you have an open border minimum wage is almost meaningless to anything outside of government positions.