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gorgon wrote:

I tend to agree. It didn't help that he may have been pretending to be a GW employee, etc. It would explain a lot if he was receiving some vague info second- or third-hand and was filling in the rest himself.

There's no may about it - reading that thread with him and ADB just makes him (or her, lets face it) sound... unstable! 'I'm in those meetings' 'Dude, you're not' 'I totally am' 'Most of the people in those meetings are friends of mine and were at my wedding. Why are you lieing about this?'
I mean, each to their own... but pretending to be an employee and then continuing the lie when an actual person who knows what they're talking about calls you on it? hhmm....

UltraPrime wrote:Space Hulk was 2009, not 2010.

My bad I should have said the previous 'mystery box' - in any case my point is still valid.

Grimstonefire wrote:@johnny

Funny that, I was told by Keith Robertson at games day that Steve Whitehead had already started the BC but had to stop to work on the monstrous arcana stuff???

I forget whether he said already finished or part way through, but I'm 100% certain they are at least part done sitting somewhere.

I asked him at Games Day as well, Steve said something along the lines of 'yeah, just a rough armature'... in any case the FW guys are very open about that sort of thing - at the time ghost was claiming to have seen these models FW had already shown the entire range at their Open Day, including the Bale Taurus that has only recently been released.

Kroothawk wrote:
BTW here another post by ghost21:

ghost21 wrote:

Hokiecow wrote:It doesn't sounds like a confession, but more as "I'm tired of being picked on, I'm leaving!"

n thats exactly how i meant it,

Damage has been done IMHO. Because this post now means he's realy childish at best, a lier at worst.

The guy should just do him self a favour and get out of the rumour mill business. He can still post and stuff what ever, but regardless of if he was lieing or not, he doesn't have a thick enough skin to be cut out for this.

It could be that he was a Tool Maker/Designer for GW seeing as they hired a few apprentices March last year.

It could well be that he saw the manufacturing of the sprues and maybe "invented" his rumours from there.

Kroothawk wrote:
BTW here another post by ghost21:

ghost21 wrote:

Hokiecow wrote:It doesn't sounds like a confession, but more as "I'm tired of being picked on, I'm leaving!"

n thats exactly how i meant it,

Why do i get the feeling Hokiecow and Ghost21 are in league with each other or something like that?

Because you're paranoid.

I have no idea who any of these people are.

I have about three sources that I trust for rumors. One I know irl, and two of them post on Dakka.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:Because you're paranoid.

yeah that's true.


seriously, its a problem sometimes.

alphaomega wrote:It could be that he was a Tool Maker/Designer for GW seeing as they hired a few apprentices March last year.

It could well be that he saw the manufacturing of the sprues and maybe "invented" his rumours from there.

See I was thinking along the same lines myself, so in the event what he said about the BL meeting(s) was actually true it would make no sense whatsoever for a tool/mould maker to be in that sort of meeting anyway? Or for him to expect to be informed of the discussions of such meetings.

Which begs the question of why he would want to stick firmly to saying he was there specifically, after he was challenged? It certainly does seem strange.

alphaomega wrote:It could be that he was a Tool Maker/Designer for GW seeing as they hired a few apprentices March last year.

It could well be that he saw the manufacturing of the sprues and maybe "invented" his rumours from there.

So a toolmaker apprentice was privy to high-level IP-related Black Library meetings?

I think most likely he was invited to play test for GW sometime ago, this is my guess anyway.

As for the black library thing, possibly related to someone who work in BL?

candy.man wrote:Ghost’s rumour of 3 legion codices was what caused me to doubt him (GW never does sub codices for non loyalist factions).

Really?

I'd like to introduce you to Codex: Craftworld Eldar, which was (when in print) a sub-codex for Codex: Eldar, allowing you to play as one of four (IIRC) Craftworlds.

I'd also like to introduce you to Codex: Armageddon, and Codex: Eye of Terror - while technically campaign supplements, each also included at least ne sub-list for a non-loyalist faction (Kult of Speed in C:Armageddon, and Ulthwe Strike Force and The Lost and the Damnded in Codex: EoT).

candy.man wrote:I generally take a grain of salt with all rumour posts and if anyone ever claims that one is particularly iron clad, I only have one word to say: “Summer of Fliers”.

To which I only have one thing to say - three words...

Dysartes wrote:

candy.man wrote:I generally take a grain of salt with all rumour posts and if anyone ever claims that one is particularly iron clad, I only have one word to say: “Summer of Fliers”.

To which I only have one thing to say - three words...

Awesome! Thank you, Dysartes, for bringing facts to the table.

lord_blackfang wrote:To be fair, I think most of us figured out the edition release pattern around 2008 at the latest
Tyranid 2nd wave in late 2011 didn't happen, so I don't know what you're getting at there. Neither did any flyers apart from the Razorwing, hardly a surprise since it's a Codex unit. Stickmonkey predicted a whole lot of other flyers, none of which are out yet.

He posted before Storm Raven was out. We know that the DE bomber was delayed, we will see the Harpy (probably delayed due to lawsuit not begun when stickmonkey posted) and Necron flyer(s) in 4 weeks, more ready but unreleased. We will possibly see the flyer rules in 6th edition.
Here his Necron rumours one year in advance of the release:

Necrons (September 2010)
- All Immortal based models being redone. Because Destroyers, Lords, etc. were supposedly based on the immortal "chassis" and that has been redone "bigger", its a cascade effect. However, skimmer body base not expect to change. correct
- Immortals possible move to Troops choice. correct
- New Elite options correct
- Pariahs no longer 0-1 correct-ish, if you consider the other cc elite
- Additional C'Tan correct-ish
- plastic Tomb Spyder box to make TS or variant. correct, see next month
- New fast attack MC incorrect, but new HS MS
- Pylon may make codex as heavy option wrong

I think that's not bad. 4 months later he dropped the two incorrect rumours, predited the release for Halloween and made some other predictions, some correct some not.

Grimstonefire wrote:Hmmm... Hypothetically what would Ghost's job be if he was actually at a BL meeting and not an author/ editor???

He wasn't, as ADB knows all persons in the meeting personally. And ghost21 can't even speak or write English properly (I usually edited his posts to make them readable).

The Immortal rumor strikes me as a guess. That rumor pointed to 40mm base immortals, and this did not happen. He also said destroyers would get updated to match, the did not. Also... immortals did not get bigger! The lords were not redone, the destroyers were not redone, none of it happened.

Immortals "possible" move to troops? 100% guesswork/logical estimation.

New Elite options. Duh. There were new options in every section. There always are.

Pariahs no longer 0-1, incorrect. Pariahs removed completely.

Additional C'tan, incorrect. C'tan removed entirely and replaced with "build your own shard"

Plastic tomb spyder box: This one was right, but honestly i would file it as wrong. Why? He predicted a box for the tomb spyder and variant. We are getting a box for 3 tomb spyders and wraiths, not some new unknown variant.

New fast attack MC: 100% false.

Pylon may make codex as a heavy weapon: 100% false


So in conclusion, I give him credit for zero of his necron rumors. They are all false or only extremely vaguely correct.

Hey Kroot, I mean absolutely no offense to you but most of those don't seem worth mentioning to me.

Predicting that a Codex unit that doesn't have a model yet will get one is obvious has zero meaning unless you can state the exact month or have details about the sculpt itself.

Of the Necron stuff, the plastic Tomb Spyder and the move of Immortals to Troops are the only rumours that turned out true and aren't uselessly vague. "New Elite options" is not a rumour, it's bleeding obvious. I'll bet you the next Codex to come out is going to have new Elite options, and I have no idea what the Codex is

Again, not saying he's lying, but his rumours are so vague and inaccurate that they are not at all useful. Anyone who can spot a pattern could do as well by guessing.

ph34r wrote: They are all false or only extremely vaguely correct.

That's how the future prediction game works...

I predict that Dark Angels will have several new plastic kits, some old minis converted to finecast, a new elite unit and army-wide special rules that will blow your mind.

(Didn't Luna do this a couple pages back already?)

Fun fact. Today, a new poster registered on Warseer and posted these rumours supporting ghost21 and contradicting hastings:

First time poster, although been reading The Dude's two threads on this with interest for a while, very good work sir.

The little info I have been able to gleen from my sources with GW state:

*There will only be one Codex and it will be Codex: Traitor Legions (or something to that affect) and that there will be a separate codex for renegade space marines. Whether this will just be a re-naming of the current codex for now, a White Dwarf update or what I can't say.
*The release date for the Codex is the end of the year, so we're talking November December time.
*It will NOT be the first post 6th ed codex to be released and Chaos will NOT be in the 6th ed equivilent of Black Reach. Currently that is looking like being Necrons and Space Marines although no comfirmation of this as yet.

Also I've been told that Codex: Necrons and Codex: Grey Knights were both written with 6th ed in mind.

And finally, although not related to any CSM codex there is a rumour that preferred enemy *may* get extended to include shooting attacks.

If I hear anything else I'll let you all know.

To be clear, I don't believe a word

Why do I get the feeling like I am getting trolled by Abuse Puppy? Again?

....Nevermind

He just sounds like someone who has got used to revelling in the attention and has to keep feeding that. Some info about Dreadfleet once wasn't enough.


I've seen much worse than this as a Doctor Who fan. Fandom has been burned a few times by people claiming to have copies of old missing episodes (many from the 60s have been destroyed and are permanently missing from TV archives) and have gone as far as mocking up film cans to take photos. If you people think some gamers are upset because a rumour about next year's space marines was cooked up, how do you think groups of fans feel when someone has hoaxes them into thinking they are sitting on material for their facourite TV programme unseen for decades? Upset doesn't describe it.

Haha those Dr Who fans can be SAVAGE!

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:Rumours are rumours, they aren't always true.

So true! There are so many unsubstantiated rumors on the Internet. People are so gullible.

Thanks Kroothawk for the information.

Hmmm...I'm going to share my opinion. "What!?" You exclaim, "But, sir, the internet is not for the sharing of opinions, but for the sharing of facts!" I know, I know, but I'm going to do it anyway.

Over on warseer ghost21 just posted that the tone in which he meant his confession was one of, "Well, I'm tired of being called a liar so I'm leaving."

Now, I know that he has a loyal following defending him over on warseer, but I think there are several points that people should think over.

DISCLAIMER: I am about to try logic. Since this is the internet there is a good chance that, despite how well reasoned these points are, someone will insist that the extreme outlying probability is the only one that could possibly be true. Tough, you're all wrong and I'm right.

1. Ghost can't speak English. He has the worst grammar, spelling, punctuation, and word use of almost anyone I have ever seen. The almost is because I have a 6-year-old autistic brother that is worse, but just barely. This indicates that there is no way he can be anywhere near the top of the corporate ladder, or even in games development. See, to have a job that requires reading and writing you have to be able to read and write. I assume Ghost can read, but he has proven that he can't write.

2. Ghost claimed to be in BL meetings that ADB called him on. Ghost wasn't there; therefore, the information he claimed to have could not have been had by him. I am more inclined to believe an author that goes by his real name on an anonymous forum than a proven liar.

3. Ghost's rumors haven't proven to be true. See Kroothawk's summary of his Necron rumours.

In total, I think it is safe to say that no matter how Ghost meant his little tantrum the rumor community would be better off without him.

Darthslowe wrote:Over on warseer ghost21 just posted that the tone in which he meant his confession was one of, "Well, I'm tired of being called a liar so I'm leaving."

Now, I know that he has a loyal following defending him over on warseer, but I think there are several points that people should think over.

THey weren't defending him as in saying he's not lying. They're saying don't turn ourselves into a lynchmob. Whether he made them up or not, just accept the fact that he isn't posting rumours anymore (for good or ill) and move on. It's not worth getting riled up and starting a hate campaign against him, which some posters there were basically trying to do.

ph34r wrote:The Immortal rumor strikes me as a guess. That rumor pointed to 40mm base immortals, and this did not happen. He also said destroyers would get updated to match, the did not. Also... immortals did not get bigger! The lords were not redone, the destroyers were not redone, none of it happened.

Immortals "possible" move to troops? 100% guesswork/logical estimation.

New Elite options. Duh. There were new options in every section. There always are.

Pariahs no longer 0-1, incorrect. Pariahs removed completely.

Additional C'tan, incorrect. C'tan removed entirely and replaced with "build your own shard"

Plastic tomb spyder box: This one was right, but honestly i would file it as wrong. Why? He predicted a box for the tomb spyder and variant. We are getting a box for 3 tomb spyders and wraiths, not some new unknown variant.

New fast attack MC: 100% false.

Pylon may make codex as a heavy weapon: 100% false


So in conclusion, I give him credit for zero of his necron rumors. They are all false or only extremely vaguely correct.

Even a blind man can land a hit in the game of wack a mole when tried enough times, as accurate as someone's rumor record.

The ghost21 dude come off as a teenager with a slight disorder of some sorts. I guess he's in it for the attention fix he gets from the rumour cravers.

gorgon wrote:
I tend to agree. It didn't help that he may have been pretending to be a GW employee, etc. It would explain a lot if he was receiving some vague info second- or third-hand and was filling in the rest himself.

I don't think he's necessarily lying about it. I just think whatever his position at GW is, it might not be a significant one.

Darthslowe wrote:...
DISCLAIMER: I am about to try logic. Since this is the internet there is a good chance that, despite how well reasoned these points are, someone will insist that the extreme outlying probability is the only one that could possibly be true. Tough, you're all wrong and I'm right.

1. Ghost can't speak English. He has the worst grammar, spelling, punctuation, and word use of almost anyone I have ever seen. The almost is because I have a 6-year-old autistic brother that is worse, but just barely. This indicates that there is no way he can be anywhere near the top of the corporate ladder, or even in games development. See, to have a job that requires reading and writing you have to be able to read and write. I assume Ghost can read, but he has proven that he can't write.

2. Ghost claimed to be in BL meetings that ADB called him on. Ghost wasn't there; therefore, the information he claimed to have could not have been had by him. I am more inclined to believe an author that goes by his real name on an anonymous forum than a proven liar.

3. Ghost's rumors haven't proven to be true. See Kroothawk's summary of his Necron rumours.

In total, I think it is safe to say that no matter how Ghost meant his little tantrum the rumor community would be better off without him.

My theory he's the Janitor.

I think its funny you refrence Kroothawk because here's what he said...

Kroothawk wrote:Here his Necron rumours one year in advance of the release:

Necrons (September 2010)
- All Immortal based models being redone. Because Destroyers, Lords, etc. were supposedly based on the immortal "chassis" and that has been redone "bigger", its a cascade effect. However, skimmer body base not expect to change. correct
- Immortals possible move to Troops choice. correct
- New Elite options correct
- Pariahs no longer 0-1 correct-ish, if you consider the other cc elite
- Additional C'Tan correct-ish
- plastic Tomb Spyder box to make TS or variant. correct, see next month
- New fast attack MC incorrect, but new HS MS
- Pylon may make codex as heavy option wrong

I think that's not bad. 4 months later he dropped the two incorrect rumours, predited the release for Halloween and made some other predictions, some correct some not.

Are his rumors fuzzy?-Yes, they didn't turn out exactly how they said they would, but he's always been insistent that what he hears or sees is rather early on. Is that an excuse or is it an explanation?-I don't know. Even if he's making this up, I think its close enough to what's happened to take note, to be sceptical, and to have fun discussing it.

aka_mythos wrote:
My theory he's the Janitor.

Is he mild-mannered

Yes. With a +2 mop of stealthiness.

Why would someone make up rumors for a company they are not employed by? Seriously, if people would direct this kind of energy at something more constructive, we may actually solve some of the problems of the world..LOL.