DreamForge-Games Getting ready for a Kickstarter project, but I would love your feedback on these...

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**RiTides**

I'm digging the new pistol on the model. Shortened barrel version definitely helps it, too.

Yeah, it's big, but it's nothing like the sword or what their heavy-weapon wielding cousins are carrying, so I think they've got it

**NoseGoblin**

sar mikael wrote:bloody hell! just do all four swords as an extra pack to buy. ill be getting those bad boys!

ChaoticMind wrote:I like 1 & 2 for sword and both versions of the new gun are great.
If possible though I think releasing all 4 swords as upgrades/options would be a great idea

Sounds good, I wont scrap the CAD file.

I just cant do it for the Kickstarter. Each weapon like this costs about $35.00 to have made and then if I put too many options in the mix, the spincaster will need to make an additional master mold at $300.00 so I need to stay as lean as possible for the Kickstarter and do a second round of add ons, bits, arms, pouches, heads, etc. later, or the Kickstarter project will have such a high funding level that I run the risk of nothing getting made.

**Grundz**

Never scrap CAD files buddy, hard drives are cheap and you never know when you can grab a chunk of something old to make something new

Any thought as to differentiating the close combat guys from the heavy weapon guys a little more? I'm not sure what parts they do/dont have in common but I think the armor itself could stand apart a little more, maybe the shield will do that!

**NoseGoblin**

Grundz wrote:Never scrap CAD files buddy, hard drives are cheap and you never know when you can grab a chunk of something old to make something new

Any thought as to differentiating the close combat guys from the heavy weapon guys a little more? I'm not sure what parts they do/dont have in common but I think the armor itself could stand apart a little more, maybe the shield will do that!

Well thats three or four requests for a shield... I was not intending on making one before we opened it up for feedback (which has been awesome btw.)

If you guys have preferences for shield shape or size, just post some pics or links so I know what your thinking.

**MagickalMemories**

I prefer the longer chambers of the first Grenade launcher. This one just looks like an oversized 6-shooter.

I'd like to reiterate my suggestion for a longer barrel on the GL and an arm option for holding it 2 handed.

Eric

**Taeken**

I like #1 and #3 for the grenade launchers. As for the swords #2 and #3. The detail on #4 is nice, but its less of a fighting weapon more of an executioners sword with the flat end.

**Vain**

The shortened barrel on #3 GL is fine and I do love #4 sword but can see that some peeps might think it overly blinged out.

**NoseGoblin**

MagickalMemories wrote:I prefer the longer chambers of the first Grenade launcher. This one just looks like an oversized 6-shooter.

I'd like to reiterate my suggestion for a longer barrel on the GL and an arm option for holding it 2 handed.

Eric

Two handed is a bit of a problem with heavily armored troops. Clearing the chest and still reaching the supporting arm far enough to grip the front of the weapon can be problematic for small arms like rifles and two handed grenade launchers.

I'll see what I can do, but these guys are meant to have one handed assault weapons. I would love to do some heavy armored troopers that are the mid ground between the HUGE weapons and the assault weapons, kind of like your standard SM but that may need to be an additional set of arms for these, released after the Kickstarter. dunno... I have to see how much of an issue it is with the clearance problems.

**Vain**

Ok, for shields...

Are these large slabs of reinforced alloys or do they have some kind of force-field attachment to help them out? Well my argument is the same either way but the latter will need some gubbins on the outside to make it look tech-like.

What I can see happening:

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Ok, so those are shields I can expect to be able to be done. Now this is what I would LOVE to see.

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**MagickalMemories**

NoseGoblin wrote:
MagickalMemories wrote:I prefer the longer chambers of the first Grenade launcher. This one just looks like an oversized 6-shooter.

I'd like to reiterate my suggestion for a longer barrel on the GL and an arm option for holding it 2 handed.

Eric

Two handed is a bit of a problem with heavily armored troops. Clearing the chest and still reaching the supporting arm far enough to grip the front of the weapon can be problematic for small arms like rifles and two handed grenade launchers.

I'll see what I can do, but these guys are meant to have one handed assault weapons. I would love to do some heavy armored troopers that are the mid ground between the HUGE weapons and the assault weapons, kind of like your standard SM but that may need to be an additional set of arms for these, released after the Kickstarter. dunno... I have to see how much of an issue it is with the clearance problems.

I definitely see the issue. There's not a lot of room to make their arms hug their chests. Would keeping the longer chamber AND extending the barrel not give enough? I was picturing a hand on top the gun, palm DOWN, as if holding it down from kicking upwards.

What about an extended support stock, kind of like the old Chewbacca Star Wars miniature or a sling shot? LOL

Eric

**NoseGoblin**

MagickalMemories wrote:
NoseGoblin wrote:
MagickalMemories wrote:I prefer the longer chambers of the first Grenade launcher. This one just looks like an oversized 6-shooter.

I'd like to reiterate my suggestion for a longer barrel on the GL and an arm option for holding it 2 handed.

Eric

Two handed is a bit of a problem with heavily armored troops. Clearing the chest and still reaching the supporting arm far enough to grip the front of the weapon can be problematic for small arms like rifles and two handed grenade launchers.

I'll see what I can do, but these guys are meant to have one handed assault weapons. I would love to do some heavy armored troopers that are the mid ground between the HUGE weapons and the assault weapons, kind of like your standard SM but that may need to be an additional set of arms for these, released after the Kickstarter. dunno... I have to see how much of an issue it is with the clearance problems.

I definitely see the issue. There's not a lot of room to make their arms hug their chests. Would keeping the longer chamber AND extending the barrel not give enough? I was picturing a hand on top the gun, palm DOWN, as if holding it down from kicking upwards.

What about an extended support stock, kind of like the old Chewbacca Star Wars miniature or a sling shot? LOL

Eric

I need time to play around with it.

The one thing I do know is the weapon cant have a stock. It creates collision problems with the chest and the arms. I had to work pretty hard to get the strumtruppen to work with rifles with stocks. If you look at DUST figs, they don't have stocks. I can tell you from experience that thats the reason why...

**RiTides**

Assault troopers don't need stocks anyway, as far as I'm concerned! They're already lugging around a Final Fantasy sized sword

(which I love!).

**Kanluwen**

NoseGoblin wrote:
MagickalMemories wrote:I prefer the longer chambers of the first Grenade launcher. This one just looks like an oversized 6-shooter.

I'd like to reiterate my suggestion for a longer barrel on the GL and an arm option for holding it 2 handed.

Eric

Two handed is a bit of a problem with heavily armored troops. Clearing the chest and still reaching the supporting arm far enough to grip the front of the weapon can be problematic for small arms like rifles and two handed grenade launchers.

I'll see what I can do, but these guys are meant to have one handed assault weapons. I would love to do some heavy armored troopers that are the mid ground between the HUGE weapons and the assault weapons, kind of like your standard SM but that may need to be an additional set of arms for these, released after the Kickstarter. dunno... I have to see how much of an issue it is with the clearance problems.

I can appreciate that you want them to have one handed assault weapons, but honestly I think that's a tad generic.

Why not have the grenade launchers be something mounted on their backpack or something like that? It'd let you do shields too, so these guys could supply their own covering fire when they assault!

**NoseGoblin**

Kanluwen wrote:
NoseGoblin wrote:
MagickalMemories wrote:I prefer the longer chambers of the first Grenade launcher. This one just looks like an oversized 6-shooter.

I'd like to reiterate my suggestion for a longer barrel on the GL and an arm option for holding it 2 handed.

Eric

Two handed is a bit of a problem with heavily armored troops. Clearing the chest and still reaching the supporting arm far enough to grip the front of the weapon can be problematic for small arms like rifles and two handed grenade launchers.

I'll see what I can do, but these guys are meant to have one handed assault weapons. I would love to do some heavy armored troopers that are the mid ground between the HUGE weapons and the assault weapons, kind of like your standard SM but that may need to be an additional set of arms for these, released after the Kickstarter. dunno... I have to see how much of an issue it is with the clearance problems.

I can appreciate that you want them to have one handed assault weapons, but honestly I think that's a tad generic.

Why not have the grenade launchers be something mounted on their backpack or something like that? It'd let you do shields too, so these guys could supply their own covering fire when they assault!

That’s not a bad suggestion. The problem I was having with the shield idea is that the way they are configured at present two hands are in use for all models. One holding a sword the other an assault weapon. so how does the shield attach? How do you wield it? I can attach it to the left arm but they would need to be small to allow for the two handed sword pose.

I am still not sure where to go with that one.

**MasterSlowPoke**

All those swords are pretty awful, honestly. They're too large and too thick.

**NoseGoblin**

MasterSlowPoke wrote:All those swords are pretty awful, honestly. They're too large and too thick.

That comes down to how thick the item needs to be to cast and survive shipping. You need a "minimum" of 1mm thickness. They look like oversize tonka toys when you blow them up to this scale. Thats a bit deceiving. when you see a real world fig, they don't look as thick.

Large, yes these are two handers so they are large.

**Kanluwen**

NoseGoblin wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
NoseGoblin wrote:
MagickalMemories wrote:I prefer the longer chambers of the first Grenade launcher. This one just looks like an oversized 6-shooter.

I'd like to reiterate my suggestion for a longer barrel on the GL and an arm option for holding it 2 handed.

Eric

Two handed is a bit of a problem with heavily armored troops. Clearing the chest and still reaching the supporting arm far enough to grip the front of the weapon can be problematic for small arms like rifles and two handed grenade launchers.

I'll see what I can do, but these guys are meant to have one handed assault weapons. I would love to do some heavy armored troopers that are the mid ground between the HUGE weapons and the assault weapons, kind of like your standard SM but that may need to be an additional set of arms for these, released after the Kickstarter. dunno... I have to see how much of an issue it is with the clearance problems.

I can appreciate that you want them to have one handed assault weapons, but honestly I think that's a tad generic.

Why not have the grenade launchers be something mounted on their backpack or something like that? It'd let you do shields too, so these guys could supply their own covering fire when they assault!

That’s not a bad suggestion. The problem I was having with the shield idea is that the way they are configured at present two hands are in use for all models. One holding a sword the other an assault weapon. so how does the shield attach? How do you wield it? I can attach it to the left arm but they would need to be small to allow for the two handed sword pose.

I am still not sure where to go with that one.

I don't think it would have to be that small for allowing the 2h poses.

But maybe have a "buckler" as the center of it on the left vambrace, and see about doing some clear-ish convex pieces to show it's an energy shield or something?

I'm sorry I keep teching your game setting up NoseGoblin!

**Marrak**

Gun 3 with the shortened chamber is by far and away my favorite.

Sword 2 is fantastic, while sword 4 links up nicely with the Titan's sword you've made previously. I like the idea of having sword 4 be an officer or squad leader's sword.

**NoseGoblin**

Hmmmm the more I think about it the more issues and problems we are creating with shields.

For the initial release, I need to hold off on the shields and deal with just the details and designs we currently have. I don't want to head down the road of re-designing everything

I need to consider not only the miniatures, but the universe I am trying to create.

Ideas I am tucking away for an expansion: Shields, other melee weapons, pack mounted launcher, one handed swords.

**RiTides**

Shields are fine to save for later, imo. Good thing to add into an "accessories pack" later

Although, if they had them now they'd be nigh-on irresistible for me!

**NoseGoblin**

RiTides wrote:Shields are fine to save for later, imo. Good thing to add into an "accessories pack" later

Although, if they had them now they'd be nigh-on irresistible for me!

I can do a mid sized shield or buckler, but when we move to full sized shields we start to have issues with the arms and poses.

I put up a buckler and see how you guys feel about it.

**inqscott**

Im ready for the kick starter what is the projected date.

**Clang**

I like the shortened grenade launcher.

A choice of swords does make sense, either simply to give customers a choice or to easily differentiate officers from troops etc. I personally don't like the blunt edge on #1 and 2 (although I realise many real world swords are only sharp on one edge) - the blunt edge is too thick for my taste. #4's 'cleaver' look is quite fun, obviously no good for stabbing but great for swinging wildly

**Vain**

NoseGoblin wrote:I put up a buckler and see how you guys feel about it.

I'll wait patiently right here then.

**Dais**

I like sword 1 and the idea of a buckler excites me.

**NoseGoblin**

Here you go... a shield. I went as large as I could with these.

The issue is how to attach them to the arms. The best way would be to have the arm and shield as a single piece but I cannot do that.

Depending on the pose, you will need to rotate the shield to get the clearance you need so as not to collide with the shoulder or the weapon they are holding. Making an extra clamp on part for the arm that would have a socket to receive the shield would be too small... I am left with very few options here. At this point the best option seems to be a peg off the back of the shield, you would need to drill out a hole in the arm or use green stuff, but that makes a blobby mess on the back of the shield.

I went with a shield designed after a German tilting shield circa 15th.c. It has a curved fluted design.

**Grundz**

Thought: rotate shield 90 degrees so eagle head faces elbow, have it attach via replacement hand (i'm assuming weapons have attached hand ah-la grey knights) and add spikey bits or claws to the "front" of it

?

**NoseGoblin**

Grundz wrote:Thought: rotate shield 90 degrees so eagle head faces elbow, have it attach via replacement hand (i'm assuming weapons have attached hand ah-la grey knights) and add spikey bits or claws to the "front" of it ?

Yep, I tried that

it collides with the grenade launcher, the drum mag is too large to allow clearance. I think the best way for me to handle this is to put an over-sized peg and cut a slightly larger than needed groove in the direction of the lower arm. This will allow a large surface area for gluing and give some slight adjustment for a tilt where needed. It should work on most of the poses and this will leave only a very small amount of trimming or filing of the groove for one or perhaps two poses.

**Mad4Minis**

Gun #3 and sword #4...I love flat tipped swords.

**Grundz**

NoseGoblin wrote:
Grundz wrote:Thought: rotate shield 90 degrees so eagle head faces elbow, have it attach via replacement hand (i'm assuming weapons have attached hand ah-la grey knights) and add spikey bits or claws to the "front" of it ?

Yep, I tried that it collides with the grenade launcher, the drum mag is too large to allow clearance. I think the best way for me to handle this is to put an over-sized peg and cut a slightly larger than needed groove in the direction of the lower arm. This will allow a large surface area for gluing and give some slight adjustment for a tilt where needed. It should work on most of the poses and this will leave only a very small amount of trimming or filing of the groove for one or perhaps two poses.

well, i mean it would be in place of the grenade launcher not in addition to it

like a lightningclaw/shield hand