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This is what I was talking about. its about .5mm on either side to allow a very slight twist. This should be enough and make it easy for everyone to fit it where they need to.





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Grundz wrote:

NoseGoblin wrote:

Grundz wrote:Thought: rotate shield 90 degrees so eagle head faces elbow, have it attach via replacement hand (i'm assuming weapons have attached hand ah-la grey knights) and add spikey bits or claws to the "front" of it ?

Yep, I tried that it collides with the grenade launcher, the drum mag is too large to allow clearance. I think the best way for me to handle this is to put an over-sized peg and cut a slightly larger than needed groove in the direction of the lower arm. This will allow a large surface area for gluing and give some slight adjustment for a tilt where needed. It should work on most of the poses and this will leave only a very small amount of trimming or filing of the groove for one or perhaps two poses.

well, i mean it would be in place of the grenade launcher not in addition to it like a lightningclaw/shield hand

I hear you. You can always mod to your hearts content but I need to focus on making it work with the weapons and poses we currently have.

The shield you showed is VERY cool. I've got nothing negative to say about it.

That said... maybe the problem is that you're limiting yourself? These aren't real shields. A real shield isn't going to block a plasma shot. These are hunks of metal with a protective charge in them. Why do they have to meet stereotypical shield designs?

If you're having a problem with the shield, you could always change the shape to something that will fit without needing to be turned every-which-way.

I like this a lot:


I like the way it cups the arm. If that doesn't work with the shield design, then why not change it's shape? I mean, if it's got a peg and we've got to drill a hole in the arm for the peg to fit, that's going to turn a LOT of people off. It's shocking how many people can't line up a drill bit.
I'd virtually guarantee that you'd lose sales over it. Maybe not many. Hell, maybe only one (not mine, though)... but sales.


Eric

MagickalMemories wrote:The shield you showed is VERY cool. I've got nothing negative to say about it.

That said... maybe the problem is that you're limiting yourself? These aren't real shields. A real shield isn't going to block a plasma shot. These are hunks of metal with a protective charge in them. Why do they have to meet stereotypical shield designs?

If you're having a problem with the shield, you could always change the shape to something that will fit without needing to be turned every-which-way.

I like this a lot:


I like the way it cups the arm. If that doesn't work with the shield design, then why not change it's shape? I mean, if it's got a peg and we've got to drill a hole in the arm for the peg to fit, that's going to turn a LOT of people off. It's shocking how many people can't line up a drill bit.
I'd virtually guarantee that you'd lose sales over it. Maybe not many. Hell, maybe only one (not mine, though)... but sales.

Eric

Its good, I tested it on the models. You should not need to drill anything, The tolerances are tight enough and there is enough surface area to glue it straight on, problem solved.

Loose sales over an optional glue on piece? Nah... its an add on, not part of the main design of the fig. If I thought I would loose sales, I would not provide it as an option, problem solved

MagickalMemories wrote:That said... maybe the problem is that you're limiting yourself? These aren't real shields. A real shield isn't going to block a plasma shot. These are hunks of metal with a protective charge in them. Why do they have to meet stereotypical shield designs?

How right you are Where I run into issues, is that the game universe (Iron Core) does not have that kind of tech level, no power shields. The closest thing Is the shield mounted on the Crusader, it acts more as a soft push and helps deflect slow moving RPG or thrown grenades. It uses the same tech that allows the Leviathans to move so it fits in the universe and the tech level.

Ah. I see.
Yeah. In that case, you definitely do need to keep to semi-realistic designs.

One thing I'm unsure about... The image you posted of the back if the sheild... was that how you are GOING TO make them, or how you CAN'T? Initially, i was thinking you were saying you could NOT do that and, instead, were going to do the post. I"m thinking now that I might've been wrong. : )

Eric

MagickalMemories wrote:Ah. I see.
Yeah. In that case, you definitely do need to keep to semi-realistic designs.

One thing I'm unsure about... The image you posted of the back if the sheild... was that how you are GOING TO make them, or how you CAN'T? Initially, i was thinking you were saying you could NOT do that and, instead, were going to do the post. I"m thinking now that I might've been wrong. : )

Eric

Ahh... sorry for the confusion. When I first made the shield I was having a hard time deciding on a means to connect them to the arm. After playing a bit, I came up with what you see and tested it on the models to make sure it works with all poses. It does so we are go for the shields with the same connector shown on the back.... it all looks good.


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The updated assault squad you created is posted on my blog... THANK YOU for all your help and input.

http://dreamforge-games.blogspot.com/2012/02/its-all-your-fault.html



Now off to make changes on the heavy weapons crew and see if I cant work or some weapons being held with both hands to fill the middle ground between the BIG guns and the assault squad.

I love these. I liked the so much I checked out your website and would like to say the leviathans are very nice. my only complant is i couldnt find a store were i could by the Sci-Fi Germans

Demented duo wrote:I love these. I liked the so much I checked out your website and would like to say the leviathans are very nice. my only complant is i couldnt find a store were i could by the Sci-Fi Germans

I should havethem up for retail sales near the end of next week; I just need to push up some shopping cart software to the website to get thing rolling.

Sweet. Any ideas on cost.

MagickalMemories wrote:I prefer the longer chambers of the first Grenade launcher. This one just looks like an oversized 6-shooter.

I'd like to reiterate my suggestion for a longer barrel on the GL and an arm option for holding it 2 handed.

Eric

I have been wanting to do a kind of standard heavy trooper, a counts as SM of sorts. I was playing with a larger grenade launcher (still WIP)




You can see here the clearance is rather limited... but its enough for me to work with....

Looks cool. If I could suggest the addition a grip or a bit of texture to the underbarrel in front of the magazine drum.

FacelessMage wrote:Looks cool. If I could suggest the addition a grip or a bit of texture to the underbarrel in front of the magazine drum.

Yep, still very much a wip... just for positioning.


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Demented duo wrote:Sweet. Any ideas on cost.

I have an idea, but nothing is set quite yet.

Very nice. I agree with adding a grip and maybe just a little bigger gun.

Just had a thought: a stock would be nice.

I don't like the shields. the shields themselves look very nice but they just don't look like they belong with the close combat guys. keep with your original vision of a hand held grenade launcher and sword it works better

the standard Heavy weapon guy looks great keep doing stuff like that. I support throwing some of these standard guys into the Heavy squads.

What do you think the squad/platoon structure will look like? will the parts be interchangeable with the 1st generation of minis you released, specifically could I equip one of my kriegsmarines with a heavy troopers grenade launcher?

one more suggestion flamethrower, I know flamethrowers migh be considered overused but with a close combat squad a flame thrower might be very useful as support

and on a side note thank you for making the tweaks and changes people ask for in this thread it's exciting to log onto each day and see what these guys might look like. I'm amazed you can respond as quickly as you have.

Perfect sizing for me.

Solid shield design is also rocking, and I am liking the stylised Eagle.

The assault squad looks ace, they've really come a long way from a promising start.

I like the longer barreled grenade launcher so far, and you're continuing to do a good job making convincing weapon 'families.' Would something like a light machinegun version fitting in somewhere between the kreigsmarine and heavy weapon machineguns work for this in-betweener squad? Maybe a mid-sized rocket launcher or something too.

Another thing that could be cool if you're still up for heavy weapons would be an even more upsized grenade launcher, along the lines of like the Mk 19.

Optional shields are a win-win! People can leave them off if they don't want them and the mount onto the arm looks perfect.

My criticism- I wish there was a more plain option, without the eagle! Or with perhaps another, slightly less pronounced logo... like a smaller eagle in the center. I.e., using just the fluting for the main design, and slightly less in-your-face than the full-on large eagle. Maybe that would be a quick change to try out?

I love the idea of the in-between trooper with the mid-sized weapon that you've posted. It just makes a ton of sense to have those guys, since every soldier wouldn't be a close-quarters fanatic or heavy weapons specialist.

Awesome how these are taking shape before our eyes and it's definitely getting me excited, and becoming something I could actually really want and use!

I love these models, and I would love the heavy weapons models as some counts as devastators. Are you going to run these as a kickstart or offer them for sale right away?

I really like everything so far. One thing I would suggest is gubbin up the front part of the Larger Grenade launcher. It is a big flat space that looks like it could be filled with something, be it...

A small styalised eagle head or
A traction plate (something like the Dakka default background's image) for the Knight to hold, or
Cooling vents/fins opposite of a handle for the left hand to grasp. something like the handle on this weapon system. (Though the Knight's handle would be horizontal rather than vertical)



This latter option might be able extend the spacing between the body and arms/gun much in the way that the Cadian Grenade Launcher arms work. If you go that way it means that it is possible to use both hands but you arent absolutely required to use the left arm as it only has a handle on it and not a lot of the GL detail.

For reference this is how the Cadian GL arms look.

warhawkstriker wrote:Are you going to run these as a kickstart or offer them for sale right away?

He's gearing up for a Kickstarter

I'm loving the new grenade launcher models. Seriously cool.

My only critique is that I'd make them different (not that there's anything *wrong* with the direction you're heading). To just put it out there - everyone reading this that plays 40K is making Space Marine comparisons. Even you've done it.
What I'd like to see is contrast; some fundamental differences between these and Space Marines. IMO, you've got that going well with the heavy weapons troopers and pretty good with the assault models. This newest post, though... it really echoes Space Marine posing. I'd suggest a few minor changes.
For example, your model has his left hand cupped under the GL (which I'm taking to be a Bolter equivalent) for support. Why not add a handle to the bottom (like, as has been said, a Cadian IG Grenade launcher) or on top, like a Space Marine Heavy Bolter:


Or perhaps a vertical grip, rather than a horizontal one:


These models are really cool looking. I'm enjoying where you're going with them and watching them form and morph right before us. It's not every day that happens.
I look forward to seeing where they go from here.

Eric

I actually really, really like the 3-part-looking smartgun arm thing that he has currently on some of the heavy weapons far more than I would a vertical or side grip

NoseGoblin wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:I prefer the longer chambers of the first Grenade launcher. This one just looks like an oversized 6-shooter.

I'd like to reiterate my suggestion for a longer barrel on the GL and an arm option for holding it 2 handed.

Eric

I have been wanting to do a kind of standard heavy trooper, a counts as SM of sorts. I was playing with a larger grenade launcher (still WIP)




You can see here the clearance is rather limited... but its enough for me to work with....

I like it. I love revolver style guns.


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Demented duo wrote:Sweet. Any ideas on cost.

Yes, cost and estimated date they can be ordered.

I really love these, when are you planning on doing your kickstarter?

Sorry about the Thread-cromancy. but I was curious as to how this was going.

FacelessMage wrote:Sorry about the Thread-cromancy. but I was curious as to how this was going.

I had to place this on hold for a short time to work on some other company priorities. I hope to get back to these very soon.

I will watch this very very closely. Loving the assault models especially!

These look promising! I look forward to seeing how they turn out when they are a physical model.

those would make some cool gk proxies

Hello,
I definaly agree with some GK proxying, the blades and the heads especially.

Regards,
Carl

What about if you made leg versions that didn't have the coat/cloth on it? I think they'd be great as 15mm small mecha suits if there was no more clothing on them.

Either way, can't wait for more updates.