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Ouze wrote:

generalgrog wrote:http://internet-filter-review.toptenreviews.com/internet-pornography-statistics.html

enjoy.

GG

ps. an interesting quote from the site The pornography industry has larger revenues than Microsoft, Google, Amazon, eBay, Yahoo, Apple and Netflix combined.

Ouze wrote:
OK, so now we know where the source of this was - the Department of Made-Up Statistics. Vivid is one of the largest (probably the largest) porn studios in the world, and they pull in revenues of approx 100 million a year. Apple made nearly 7 billion in profit last quarter.

I'm not saying that the numbers they quote are accurate because I don't know for sure. But you and mellissia show a lack of the ability to read. I didn't say that Vivid made more money than apple.....I highlighted the text that the "pornographic industry" read entire thing... made more than Microsoft, Google, Amazon, eBay, Yahoo, Apple and Netflix combined.

It's possible that this is incorrect but at least try to argue honestly.

i did a quick look and the chart and it showed over 100 billion annualy from "the entire porn industry" while cbs was only 13 billion. and wasn't even in my list(for melissias benefit)

GG

generalgrog wrote:I'm not saying that the numbers they quote are accurate because I don't know for sure.

IF you paid attention at all you woudl know that the numbers are false.

generalgrog wrote:It's possible that this is incorrect]

By 100%, not that you give a damn about facts, honesty, or truth.

generalgrog wrote:i did a quick look and the chart and it showed over 100 billion annualy from "the entire porn industry" while cbs was only 13 billion. and wasn't even in my list(for melissias benefit)

Their chart listed a TOTAL income of 13 billion for the entire porn industry in the US. Try reading your own source.

Even that 13 billion is the HIGHEST estimate. Most estimates are closer to 2-5 billion.

Also you should look up the meaning of ad hominum... here for you benefit.

Argumentum ad Hominem (abusive and circumstantial): the fallacy of attacking the character or circumstances of an individual who is advancing a statement or an argument instead of trying to disprove the truth of the statement or the soundness of the argument. Often the argument is characterized simply as a personal attack.

The personal attack is also often termed an "ad personem argument": the statement or argument at issue is dropped from consideration or is ignored, and the locutor's character or circumstances are used to influence opinion.

The fallacy draws its appeal from the technique of "getting personal." The assumption is that what the locutor is saying is entirely or partially dictated by his character or special circumstances and so should be disregarded.

calling my source "bull gakkers" is an example.

GG


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Melissia wrote:

generalgrog wrote:I'm not saying that the numbers they quote are accurate because I don't know for sure.

IF you paid attention at all you woudl know that the numbers are false.

generalgrog wrote:It's possible that this is incorrect]

By 100%, not that you give a damn about facts, honesty, or truth.

generalgrog wrote:i did a quick look and the chart and it showed over 100 billion annualy from "the entire porn industry" while cbs was only 13 billion. and wasn't even in my list(for melissias benefit)

Their chart listed a TOTAL income of 13 billion for the entire porn industry in the US. Try reading your own source.

so total porn industry = only USA? again you are being purposefully obtuse. go back and look at the worldwide statistics.

GG

Melissia wrote:He got that information from a level twelve deep bullgak scan by USS Make S*** Up and her crew of professional bullgakkers.

What stuns me is that people lie so obviously.. I mean, nothing wrong with a lie you might get away with, but anyone who reads a newspaper once in a blue moon is aware that companies like Microsoft and Google turn over tens of billions annually. gak, I read a few weeks ago that Apple have more money than the US government, but GG expects me to believe that the blokes who make grunge mags rake in more?

generalgrog wrote:so total porn industry = only USA? again you are being purposefully obtuse. go back and look at the worldwide statistics.

The worldwide statistics that site provides are even less reliable. The site gives a source for none of their statements, mind you, so every single number and letter on that page are suspect to begin with (and thus bullgak from bullgakkers that just want to sell you a product), but this number is made up out of whole cloth. I have been utterly unable to find where they pulled it out of, so it's safe to assume it came from their ass.

They're marketing professionals. It's their JOB to lie to you so that they can convince you buy their product. They're already suspect to begin with, but the fact that they do not cite their sources at all makes it completely obvious taht they're lying.

Without the porn industry the internet would still be dial-up.

Melissia wrote:

generalgrog wrote:so total porn industry = only USA? again you are being purposefully obtuse. go back and look at the worldwide statistics.

The worldwide statistics that site provides are even less reliable. The site gives a source for none of their statements, mind you, so every single number and letter on that page are suspect to begin with (and thus bullgak from bullgakkers that just want to sell you a product), but this number is made up out of whole cloth. I have been utterly unable to find where they pulled it out of, so it's safe to assume it came from their ass.

They're marketing professionals. It's their JOB to lie to you so that they can convince you buy their product. They're already suspect to begin with, but the fact that they do not cite their sources at all makes it completely obvious taht they're lying.

Again you use the ad hominim. "They are selling internet software..so they must be lying". proves in your mind (I guess) that they lied.

GG

You did a quick look and it was 100 billion?

Well I did a quick look, and Microsoft made nearly 70 billion in 2011.

So even if your right (you very likely aren't) then your still wrong, because add google and apple into the equation and they kick the gak out of 100 billion with ease.

mattyrm wrote:

Melissia wrote:He got that information from a level twelve deep bullgak scan by USS Make S*** Up and her crew of professional bullgakkers.

What stuns me is that people lie so obviously.. I mean, nothing wrong with a lie you might get away with, but anyone who reads a newspaper once in a blue moon is aware that companies like Microsoft and Google turn over tens of billions annually. gak, I read a few weeks ago that Apple have more money than the US government, but GG expects me to believe that the blokes who make grunge mags rake in more?

Apple made $108,249,000,000 in 2011 according to its Securities and Exchange Commission form 10-k (found on its website here in pdf form).

According to BBC and Forbes, the porn industry globally makes ~48 billion dollars.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4305257.stm

Not that he really cares about the real numbers.

generalgrog wrote:Again you use the ad hominim.

No, I'm expressing doubt in your source because your source sucks ass. Repeating "ad hominem" ad naseum doesn't change the fact taht your source is lying to you and you believe it like the good little dupe you are, not for a moment being skeptical about a bunch of unsourced claims made by marketers who are trying to sell you a product.

By the way, I have a plot of land on the moon I can sell you. Brand new, only been used once. Yours for just fifty bucks.

To start with, I can't stand porn because of things I've written in earlier posts on this thread, but I don't care if people want to look at consenting adult porn. It's up to them what they want to look at, as long the sites are clearly marked out.
What pisses me off are tricks used like the one I ran into when I was helping my(at the time) 9 year old daughter with her homework on maps.
I typed in an address that stated the site had a good selection of U.S. State maps and ended up in the middle of a porn site. I was at least glad I was there to kill the site, but I really wished the people resonsible for the link were on hand so I could knock their teeth in.

Yeah, I just checked a few more.

37 billion for google in 2011. Apple made 28.3 billion in ONE QUARTER!

I dont think I even need to bother with the rest.

Sorry mate, but the stats you posted are absolute baloney.

Melissia wrote:

mattyrm wrote:

Melissia wrote:He got that information from a level twelve deep bullgak scan by USS Make S*** Up and her crew of professional bullgakkers.

What stuns me is that people lie so obviously.. I mean, nothing wrong with a lie you might get away with, but anyone who reads a newspaper once in a blue moon is aware that companies like Microsoft and Google turn over tens of billions annually. gak, I read a few weeks ago that Apple have more money than the US government, but GG expects me to believe that the blokes who make grunge mags rake in more?

Apple made $108,249,000,000 in 2011 according to its Securities and Exchange Commission form 10-k (found on its website here in pdf form).

According to BBC and Forbes, the porn industry globally makes ~48 billion dollars.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4305257.stm

Not that he really cares about the real numbers.

generalgrog wrote:Again you use the ad hominim.

No, I'm expressing doubt in your source because your source sucks ass. Repeating "ad hominem" ad naseum doesn't change the fact taht your source is lying to you and you believe it like the good little dupe you are, not for a moment being skeptical about a bunch of unsourced claims made by marketers who are trying to sell you a product.

By the way, I have a plot of land on the moon I can sell you. Brand new, only been used once. Yours for just fifty bucks.

Now at least your tackling the argument. I'll take a look at your source. thanks.

GG

generalgrog wrote:Now at least your tackling the argument

I know paying attention is hard for you, but I've been "tackling the argument" for at least two pages now.

Hey Mel I had a quick look at your blog btw.. you know they pay for Homeopathy on the NHS in Britain?

Yeah, it's one of the many things wrong with the UK.

Over here the problem is probably "faith healing" or "pay to pray" bullgak.

Melissia wrote:Yeah, it's one of the many things wrong with the UK.

Steady on old girl!

OK so the Forbes article was pretty good. I didn't see a specific number quoted from their researchers(50 bil quoted from bbc), but the bottom line is that they suggest that it is impossible to get an accurate accounting of the porn revenue. They also state that most stats are "overinflated". So I am willing to concede to melissias point.

Huzzaa!!

Now that doesn't change my stance on porn being bad, it just means that it isn't as bad as what I thought.

GG

I just dont see whats so bad about sex. Im not mega into porn, I havent watched one since...er.. when was the last time my missus went away for more than a few days...

Months anyway!

I really think that engaging in sex and things associated with it is a normal part of being a healthy mammal, I really dont understand the point your trying to make. Banning porn wouldnt achieve anything at all in my eyes. People would just look at illegal porn.

You cant regulate something so easy to..well.. do, or film.

generalgrog wrote:OK so the Forbes article was pretty good. I didn't see a specific number quoted from their researchers(50 bil quoted from bbc), but the bottom line is that they suggest that it is impossible to get an accurate accounting of the porn revenue. They also state that most stats are "overinflated". So I am willing to concede to melissias point.

Huzzaa!!

Now that doesn't change my stance on porn being bad, it just means that it isn't as bad as what I thought.

GG

How does the amount of money porn makes have any bearing on how bad it is?

Na na na na na, Santorum is going to take away your pooooooooooorn.

So much for freedoms. Santorum is an idiot. God, I like Obama, and I hope with all my being he stays in the White House, especially if this is his competition. Porn is perfectly acceptable, in whatever quantity you want, as long as you're single-if you don't have a GF/BF, stick it on for the rest of the night and get a box of tissues. If you are in a relationship, you and your partner should come to a mutual decision/compromise of what is acceptable-some, all, or no porn. It only becomes a real issue among single people when you can't differentiate between fantasy and reality in the sexual world. And if Santorum does get this bill off the ground, well, look what happened with booze in the prohibition period-people still got it. You can't stop it, you can only stop where the source comes from. People will find a way (insert Jurassic Park quote here).

On the topic of him denying homosexuals in the military...can somebody sew this guy's mouth shut? It's hate speech. I have friends who are gay/bi, and they deserve the same rights as the rest of us. If they choose to serve and protect our country, damn it, nobody should deny it. If they want to get married? Why not? And telling them he discourages them from having sex? Whose choice is it? It shouldn't be his.

A good leader, in any job, knows how to differentiate between his personal beliefs, and the ideals needed to help everyone he is influencing. This guy doesn't deserve to be leader of a mop & bucket store, let alone the president. I absolutely hated Bush Jr., but he never tried to turn America into an anti-sex, Neo-Nazi regime. And that's what this guy wants. If he takes away my Miley Cyrus issue of Playboy due out in the fall, I'll be VERY upset!!

It's perfectly okay if you're not single too. As long as you don't use it as an excuse to ignore your significant other.

A Town Called Malus wrote:

generalgrog wrote:OK so the Forbes article was pretty good. I didn't see a specific number quoted from their researchers(50 bil quoted from bbc), but the bottom line is that they suggest that it is impossible to get an accurate accounting of the porn revenue. They also state that most stats are "overinflated". So I am willing to concede to melissias point.

Huzzaa!!

Now that doesn't change my stance on porn being bad, it just means that it isn't as bad as what I thought.

GG

How does the amount of money porn makes have any bearing on how bad it is?

Well it could be argued that the more money an industry rake in = a direct reflection of how many people use said industry. (all things being equal)

One point to consider...how much does the free porn cost the porn industry?

GG

Melissia wrote:It's perfectly okay if you're not single too. As long as you don't use it as an excuse to ignore your significant other.

That's why I added the part in about coming to an agreement with your partner on it. Without knowing boundaries on it, it's quite easy for someone to get offended (either person). Discuss it and achieve a happy medium, and complaints/problems shouldn't happen.

Hell, there are some couples out there that enjoy porn together.

timetowaste85 wrote:

Melissia wrote:It's perfectly okay if you're not single too. As long as you don't use it as an excuse to ignore your significant other.

That's why I added the part in about coming to an agreement with your partner on it. Without knowing boundaries on it, it's quite easy for someone to get offended (either person). Discuss it and achieve a happy medium, and complaints/problems shouldn't happen.

I've seen it sometimes comes down to what a person values more. Their signifigant other, or porn.

Relapse wrote:

timetowaste85 wrote:

Melissia wrote:It's perfectly okay if you're not single too. As long as you don't use it as an excuse to ignore your significant other.

That's why I added the part in about coming to an agreement with your partner on it. Without knowing boundaries on it, it's quite easy for someone to get offended (either person). Discuss it and achieve a happy medium, and complaints/problems shouldn't happen.

I've seen it sometimes comes down to what a person values more. Their signifigant other, or porn.

And in any relationship worth its salt that question is already answered. If one of them picks porn over the other then that relationship didn't have a hope in hell of lasting.

While there are problems with the porn industry (regarding exploitation and poor health practices), in itself there is nothing wrong with filming and selling consensual sexual acts.

It doesn't surprise me that GG is leading the charge here, he's a religious conservative on many subjects. Previous discussions have covered his belief in creationism over evolution and his disgust of gay people. I distinctly remember his upset at Star Trek being spoiled because he found out George Takei is gay. So I can't take him seriously on *any* matter and his attempts at 'research' are more an exercise in finding anything that reaffirms his prejudices and prudishness.

One problem with people telling others how to run their sex lives and marriages, and giving morality lectures is that often they are people with very little sexual and relationship experience themselves. They just parrot what they have heard elsewhere. GG is only a kid so some naivety on his part is excusable.

Claims that porn ruins lives of customers is nonsense. People can control their own actions, if they spend their lives looking at porn and not caring for their parter, they are to blame not the porn. It's hardly a surprise that some blame the porn, they just want an excuse. It's not porn that ruins relationships - people ruin relationships.

@Malus,

Very true. I've seen people have their marrages end and lose their kids because of an addiction to porn.
A guy I work with that this happened to came right out and told me that it was his porn addiction that ended his marriage. He said he got into it when he was 14 and had to view it the way an alcoholic needs a drink.
At that point his wife couldn't take it anymore and she took the kids and left him.

@Howard,

I have to disagree with your statement that porn doesn't ruin lives. I agree that people can control their own actions, but some can't control as well as others at times depending on what they get into.
To certain people, I have seen porn can be as addictive as cigarettes, alcohol, or gambling is to others to the point their marriage or relationship crumbles.

Melissia wrote:He got that information from a level twelve deep bullgako scan by USS Make S*** Up and her crew of professional bullgakkers.

Who purposely make stuff up for fun.