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2012/03/17 01:44:18
Subject: Vigorous’ Santorum crackdown may catch Internet porn viewers with pants down
mattyrm wrote: I've decided I agree with Rick Santorum.
I just saw a video of a heterosexual man having sex with a consensual partner... and I'm suddenly filled with the desire to feth a squid.
I always new you had a thing for sailors.
Anyway, this seems relevant:
We have laws in states, like the one at the Supreme Court right now, that has sodomy laws and they were there for a purpose. Because, again, I would argue, they undermine the basic tenets of our society and the family. And if the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything. Does that undermine the fabric of our society? I would argue yes, it does
I'm not aware of how polygamy and bigamy are enabled by the right to consensual sex. I mean, I can already be married and have as many orgies as I want, I just can't be married to all the participants.
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2012/03/17 02:46:24
Subject: Vigorous’ Santorum crackdown may catch Internet porn viewers with pants down
There isn't any evidence that it's harmful, though. The distaste for it is based on social attitudes which vary across the country.
I have to disagree on that statement. I know of at least 4 divorces that were caused by the husbands addiction to porn, and there was a lot of negative emotional fallout.
Everything can be harmful if in the wrong..."hands".
I know of at least 168,000 divorces that weren't caused by the husband's addiction to porn.
Just replying to the blanket statement that there is no harm in porn.
There isn't. If porn had been the only problem amongst those loving couples, they certainly wouldn't have divorced. Porn is only a problem if a couple has other issues, like for example a massive fear of being left alone or serious trust issues. A couple of two grown up persons who really love each other can solve a disagreement about one wanting to watch porn and the other disliking that.
And if it was a porn addiction, then addiction is the problem, not the drug. If they hadn't had access to porn, they'd have become addicted to something else that makes them feel good without any need to invest or work for it.
Sorry to say that porn was in fact the reason the divorces happened. I was told by one of the wives that she was made to feel inadequate because her husband would rather be watching porn and masturbating. This woman is gorgeous and if she was dressed in the outfit would look like the Wonder Woman actress from the old t.v. series. She finally decided she had enough after trying for years, took the two kids and divorced him.
A friend of mine at work shocked me by telling me he was getting a divorce and cited his porn addiction as the reason his wife was leaving him. This guy is like a total outdoorsman. The kind of hunter who always gets an Elk. He's fisherman, camper, rock climber, etc. Suddenly, here he is, telling me he's losing his wife and kids because of his porn addiction.
The stories from the other people I know getting divorced because of a porn addiction are similar.
Some people should not go near alcohol, drugs, or Tim Horton doughnuts because something in their nature predisposes them to get addicted to these things to their detriment.
To say porn is absolutely safe for everyone is not a true statement, the same as if someone said no one was ever hurt by alcohol, over eating, or whatever other thing some people get addicted to.
2012/03/17 03:00:04
Subject: Vigorous’ Santorum crackdown may catch Internet porn viewers with pants down
dogma wrote:
I'm not aware of how polygamy and bigamy are enabled by the right to consensual sex. I mean, I can already be married and have as many orgies as I want, I just can't be married to all the participants.
And some people are completely okay with that, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Relapse wrote:
Skylifter wrote:
Relapse wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:
Relapse wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:That's absolutely true.
There isn't any evidence that it's harmful, though. The distaste for it is based on social attitudes which vary across the country.
I have to disagree on that statement. I know of at least 4 divorces that were caused by the husbands addiction to porn, and there was a lot of negative emotional fallout.
Everything can be harmful if in the wrong..."hands".
I know of at least 168,000 divorces that weren't caused by the husband's addiction to porn.
Just replying to the blanket statement that there is no harm in porn.
There isn't. If porn had been the only problem amongst those loving couples, they certainly wouldn't have divorced. Porn is only a problem if a couple has other issues, like for example a massive fear of being left alone or serious trust issues. A couple of two grown up persons who really love each other can solve a disagreement about one wanting to watch porn and the other disliking that.
And if it was a porn addiction, then addiction is the problem, not the drug. If they hadn't had access to porn, they'd have become addicted to something else that makes them feel good without any need to invest or work for it.
Sorry to say that porn was in fact the reason the divorces happened. I was told by one of the wives that she was made to feel inadequate because her husband would rather be watching porn and masturbating. This woman is gorgeous and if she was dressed in the outfit would look like the Wonder Woman actress from the old t.v. series. She finally decided she had enough after trying for years, took the two kids and divorced him.
A friend of mine at work shocked me by telling me he was getting a divorce and cited his porn addiction as the reason his wife was leaving him. This guy is like a total outdoorsman. The kind of hunter who always gets an Elk. He's fisherman, camper, rock climber, etc. Suddenly, here he is, telling me he's losing his wife and kids because of his porn addiction.
The stories from the other people I know getting divorced because of a porn addiction are similar.
Some people should not go near alcohol, drugs, or Tim Horton doughnuts because something in their nature predisposes them to get addicted to these things to their detriment.
To say porn is absolutely safe for everyone is not a true statement, the same as if someone said no one was ever hurt by alcohol, over eating, or whatever other thing some people get addicted to.
Anecdotal evidence is not evidence. Furthermore, you're still only listing a few cases in a pool of thousands, and these problems may not be stemming from porn itself, but from repressed sexuality (not surprising, considering how abysmal US sexual education is), or some other deep seated issue.
2012/03/17 03:22:37
Subject: Vigorous’ Santorum crackdown may catch Internet porn viewers with pants down
@Fafnir,
The fact is, these people pointed porn out as the reason for their divorces. Some people cite their spouses addiction to alcohol or gambling as reason for a divorce. Why should porn have this magical ability to not also play a role in some divorces?
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2012/03/17 04:47:27
Subject: Vigorous’ Santorum crackdown may catch Internet porn viewers with pants down
Relapse wrote:
The fact is, these people pointed porn out as the reason for their divorces. Some people cite their spouses addiction to alcohol or gambling as reason for a divorce. Why should porn have this magical ability to not also play a role in some divorces?
The reality is that nothing is absolutely safe for everyone, not even marriage.
That's sort of the thing about addiction, empirically assessing what is and isn't to someone's detriment isn't terribly easy, and largely turns on imposing a particular set of values on others.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
2012/03/17 04:51:19
Subject: Re:Vigorous’ Santorum crackdown may catch Internet porn viewers with pants down
generalgrog wrote:We are building a society of internet porn addicts. It's way to to easy to feed your perversion now. It used to be that you had to go to video stores or porn movie theaters to get your fix, thus making it somewhat of a discouragement. With the internet all you have to do is click your mouse, or even take it with you via your cell phone now.
GG
Are you saying that we should be ashamed of looking at porn?
2012/03/17 04:53:24
Subject: Vigorous’ Santorum crackdown may catch Internet porn viewers with pants down
Relapse wrote:
The fact is, these people pointed porn out as the reason for their divorces. Some people cite their spouses addiction to alcohol or gambling as reason for a divorce. Why should porn have this magical ability to not also play a role in some divorces?
The reality is that nothing is absolutely safe for everyone, not even marriage.
That's sort of the thing about addiction, empirically assessing what is and isn't to someone's detriment isn't terribly easy, and largely turns on imposing a particular set of values on others.
This is exactly on the money.
2012/03/17 04:56:52
Subject: Vigorous’ Santorum crackdown may catch Internet porn viewers with pants down
Funny, Santurum doesnt beleive in darwinism. Yet he supports the free market. Which is social darwinism. both types of evolution where the strong and adaptable survive.
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2012/03/17 05:30:09
Subject: Vigorous’ Santorum crackdown may catch Internet porn viewers with pants down
I wouldn't say he's stopped clock so much as he's a clock that ticks in reverse, or is trying to amek clocks tick in reverse anyway.
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2012/03/17 06:59:32
Subject: Vigorous’ Santorum crackdown may catch Internet porn viewers with pants down
More stupidity from the politicals. I watched "Religulous" the other day and laughed so hard when the senator from Arkansas mentioned with a wide smile that one does not have to pass an I. Q. test to be a senator! Then he realized what he said and I laughed harder when the smile eroded from his face. And this is an example of the kind of people that win these popularity contests and wind up being our leaders.
No wonder we are in the toilet, we are letting the idiots be in charge!
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2012/03/17 09:10:04
Subject: Vigorous’ Santorum crackdown may catch Internet porn viewers with pants down
Monster Rain wrote:Just saying he's not always wrong.
True enough, but when he is wrong its a fething beauty!
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2012/03/17 16:43:11
Subject: Re:Vigorous’ Santorum crackdown may catch Internet porn viewers with pants down
Some Interesting stats--( some data is a little dated)
Statistics on Pornography, Sexual Addiction and Online Perpetrators
PORNOGRAPHY ADDICTION STATS
Pornography Addiction and Industry Statistics
As of 2003, there were 1.3 million pornographic websites; 260 million pages (N2H2, 2003).
The total porn industry revenue for 2006: $13.3 billion in the United States; $97 billion worldwide (Internet Filter Review).
U.S. adult DVD/video rentals in 2005: almost 1 billion (Adult Video News).
Hotel viewership for adult films: 55% (cbsnews.com).
Unique worldwide users visiting adult web sites monthly: 72 million (Internet Filter Review).
Number of hardcore pornography titles released in 2005 (U.S.): 13,588 (Internet Filter Review).
Adults admitting to Internet sexual addiction: 10%; 28% of those are women (Internet Filter Review).
More than 70% of men from 18 to 34 visit a pornographic site in a typical month (comScore Media Metrix).
More than 20,000 images of child pornography posted online every week (National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children, 10/8/03). Approximately 20% of all Internet pornography involves children (National Center for Mission & Exploited Children).
100,000 websites offer illegal child pornography (U.S. Customs Service estimate).
As of December 2005, child pornography was a $3 billion annual industry (Internet Filter Review).
"At a 2003 meeting of the American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers, two thirds of the 350 divorce lawyers who attended said the Internet played a significant role in the divorces in the past year, with excessive interest in online porn contributing to more than half such cases. Pornography had an almost non-existent role in divorce just seven or eight years ago." (Divorcewizards.com) (SO THAT CALCS OUT TO MORE THAN 33% OF DIVORCES ARE RELATED TO INTERNET PORN--GG NOTE)
Christians, Pastors and Church Pornography Statistics
A 1996 Promise Keepers survey at one of their stadium events revealed that over 50% of the men in attendance were involved with pornography within one week of attending the event.
51% of pastors say cyber-porn is a possible temptation. 37% say it is a current struggle (Christianity Today, Leadership Survey, 12/2001).
Over half of evangelical pastors admits viewing pornography last year.
Roger Charman of Focus on the Family's Pastoral Ministries reports that approximately 20 percent of the calls received on their Pastoral Care Line are for help with issues such as pornography and compulsive sexual behavior.
In a 2000 Christianity Today survey, 33% of clergy admitted to having visited a sexually explicit Web site. Of those who had visited a porn site, 53% had visited such sites “a few times” in the past year, and 18% visit sexually explicit sites between a couple of times a month and more than once a week.
29% of born again adults in the U.S. feel it is morally acceptable to view movies with explicit sexual behavior (The Barna Group).
57% of pastors say that addiction to pornography is the most sexually damaging issue to their congregation (Christians and Sex Leadership Journal Survey, March 2005).
Statistics on Women with Pornography Addiction
28% those admitting to sexual addiction are women (internet-filter-review.com).
34% of female readers of Today's Christian Woman's online newsletter admitted to intentionally accessing Internet porn in a recent poll and 1 out of every 6 women, including Christians, struggles with an addiction to pornography (Today’s Christian Woman, Fall 2003).
Statistics on Pornography's Effect on Families and Marriages
47% percent of families said pornography is a problem in their home (Focus on the Family Poll, October 1, 2003).
The Internet was a significant factor in 2 out of 3 divorces (American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers in 2003 - divorcewizards.com).
Statistics on Child Pornography Use
9 out of 10 children aged between the ages of 8 and 16 have viewed pornography on the Internet, in most cases unintentionally (London School of Economics January 2002).
Average age of first Internet exposure to pornography: 11 years old (Internet Filter Review).
Largest consumer of Internet pornography: 12 - 17 year-old age group (various sources, as of 2007).
Adult industry says traffic is 20-30% children (NRC Report 2002, 3.3).
Youth with significant exposure to sexuality in the media were shown to be significantly more likely to have had intercourse at ages 14 to 16 (Report in Pediatrics, April, 2006).
"Never before in the history of telecommunications media in the United States has so much indecent (and obscene) material been so easily accessible by so many minors in so many American homes with so few restrictions."
- U.S. Department of Justice, Post Hearing Memorandum of Points and Authorities, at l, ACLU v. Reno, 929 F. Supp. 824 (1996).
GG
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2012/03/17 16:47:36
Subject: Re:Vigorous’ Santorum crackdown may catch Internet porn viewers with pants down
generalgrog wrote:Adults admitting to Internet sexual addiction: 10%; 28% of those are women (Internet Filter Review).
What is "Internet Sexual Addiction" according tot his poll, and what is the "Internet Filter Review"?
generalgrog wrote:More than 20,000 images of child pornography posted online every week (National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children, 10/8/03).
Approximately 20% of all Internet pornography involves children (National Center for Mission & Exploited Children).
100,000 websites offer illegal child pornography (U.S. Customs Service estimate).
As of December 2005, child pornography was a $3 billion annual industry (Internet Filter Review).
Horrible to be sure, but utterly irrelevant when discussing porn where all the actors are consenting adults.
The site linked to, "internet-filter-review.com", does not have an easy access to its studies. I would dare say that, given that it is nothing more than a marketing site for internet filters, that it is an unreliable source that only gives a damn about increasing its profits, not about internet porn.
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2012/03/17 16:49:38
Subject: Re:Vigorous’ Santorum crackdown may catch Internet porn viewers with pants down
ps. an interesting quote from the site The pornography industry has larger revenues than Microsoft, Google, Amazon, eBay, Yahoo, Apple and Netflix combined.
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2012/03/17 16:56:40
Subject: Vigorous’ Santorum crackdown may catch Internet porn viewers with pants down
Children Internet Pornography Statistics
Access to pornography is available from early on. The average age of a child’s first exposure to pornography is 11. A total of 90 percent of children ages 8-16 have viewed pornography online. Pornographers use many character names that appeal to children such as “Pokemon.”
Children Internet Pornography Statistics
Average age of first Internet exposure to pornography 11 years old
Largest consumer of Internet pornography 35 - 49 age group
15-17 year olds having multiple hard-core exposures 80%
8-16 year olds having viewed porn online 90% (most while doing homework)
7-17 year olds who would freely give out home address 29%
7-17 year olds who would freely give out email address 14%
Children's character names linked to thousands of porn links 26 (Including Pokemon and Action Man)
Women and Pornography
According to statistics, men are not the only ones to access pornography at work. A total of 13 percent of women admit to accessing pornography at work. One in three visitors to pornographic websites are women.
Women and Pornography
Women keeping their cyber activities secret 70%
Women struggling with pornography addiction 17%
Ratio of women to men favoring chat rooms 2X
Percentage of visitors to adult websites who are women 1 in 3 visitors
Women accessing adult websites each month 9.4 million
Women admitting to accessing pornography at work 13%
Women, far more than men, are likely to act out their behaviors in real life, such as having multiple partners, casual sex or affairs.
GG
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2012/03/17 17:04:32
Subject: Vigorous’ Santorum crackdown may catch Internet porn viewers with pants down
Melissia wrote:The site linked to, "internet-filter-review.com" [...] I would dare say that, given that it is nothing more than a marketing site for internet filters, that it is an unreliable source that only gives a damn about increasing its profits, not about internet porn.
And I quote:
Internet-filter-review.toptenreviews.com wrote:The following top 10 list has been compiled using credible sources
What sources? Why are they credible? What did each of the varying sources have to say about the subject? The site doesn't say. Some of its statements are stupidly inaccurate though.
Internet-filter-review.toptenreviews.com wrote:US porn revenue exceeds the combined revenues of ABC, CBS, and NBC.
Internet-filter-review.toptenreviews.com wrote:According to statistics, men are not the only ones to access pornography
Man this site is on the fething ball here. Next they'll be saying that... *gasp*... women want to enjoy sex! Scandalous! Just scandalous!
Internet-filter-review.toptenreviews.com wrote:Top Pornography Banning Countries Saudia Arabia, Iran, Syria, Bahrain, Egypt, UAE, Kuwait, Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, Kenya, India, Cuba, China
And these are the countries that Mr. Santorum wants us to be more like-- regressive, often theocratic nations with high amounts of corruption and low amounts of personal freedom.
Internet-filter-review.toptenreviews.com wrote:Pornography consumers are divided fairly evenly by age but not by income.
We should get the poor to watch more porn, maybe that'll help influence them to become rich.
Nevermind that these came from its own studies and the site did not state its methodology-- assuming it even had any methodology in gathering the data and didn't just make it up out of whole cloth. This wasn't even a proper study from what I can tell, just a marketing site pulling numbers out of its ass to try to make a case for its products.
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2012/03/17 17:12:42
Subject: Re:Vigorous’ Santorum crackdown may catch Internet porn viewers with pants down
ps. an interesting quote from the site The pornography industry has larger revenues than Microsoft, Google, Amazon, eBay, Yahoo, Apple and Netflix combined.
I haven't even checked, but this just totally reeks of wrong.
I mean, feth me, Microsofts total revenue has to be over 50 billion a year or something surely?! More? 100 billion? Bill Gates aint regarded as one of the worlds richest men for nothing.
And Google is crazy money as well..
How can the porn industry have larger revenues when nobody pays for porn anymore?
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2012/03/17 18:04:38
Subject: Re:Vigorous’ Santorum crackdown may catch Internet porn viewers with pants down
ps. an interesting quote from the site The pornography industry has larger revenues than Microsoft, Google, Amazon, eBay, Yahoo, Apple and Netflix combined.
OK, so now we know where the source of this was - the Department of Made-Up Statistics. Vivid is one of the largest (probably the largest) porn studios in the world, and they pull in revenues of approx 100 million a year. Apple made nearly 7 billion in profit last quarter.
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2012/03/17 18:06:07
Subject: Re:Vigorous’ Santorum crackdown may catch Internet porn viewers with pants down
ps. an interesting quote from the site The pornography industry has larger revenues than Microsoft, Google, Amazon, eBay, Yahoo, Apple and Netflix combined.
OK, so now we know where the source of this was - the Department of Made-Up Statistics. Vivid is one of the largest (probably the largest) porn studios in the world, and they pull in revenues of approx 100 million a year. Apple made nearly 7 billion in profit last quarter.
Thanks for doing the groundwork.. I was merely working off good old common fething sense.
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2012/03/17 19:49:57
Subject: Vigorous’ Santorum crackdown may catch Internet porn viewers with pants down
He got that information from a level twelve deep bullgako scan by USS Make S*** Up and her crew of professional bullgakkers.
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