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The other - legitimate - grievances aside, it's better to copy the old fluff than retcon it into oblivion Ward-style. If the fluff itself hasn't changed, the wording doesn't need to either, really. It'd still be the same ol' content... just probably with more spelling errors

Agreed re the Fluff aspect for the most part - although the Dark Eldar Codex for me represented a considerable increase in actual information and I actually liked pretty much all of it.

Not so much the Necrons and very little of the Grey Knights. Not got Codex: CSM or Dark Angels - waiting till they turn up at reasonable price on ebay.........

I skimmed through the codex, and im terrified to fight Dark Angels as chaos... some of those weapons drop in AP value when fighting Chaos to become ap3. ap2 and ap1... and one of those weapons can be used as a S10 AP1 weapon. The only thing that keeps me safe is the possibility of just getting termy squads w/ combi plasma and double tapping them into DW terminators.

 tvih wrote:
The other - legitimate - grievances aside, it's better to copy the old fluff than retcon it into oblivion Ward-style. If the fluff itself hasn't changed, the wording doesn't need to either, really. It'd still be the same ol' content... just probably with more spelling errors

That and there is a great deal of good, new fluff in the codex. All the post-Heresy stuff is gold, and it is all brand new. A nice addition as there was never any explanation of how we went from pre-fall to post-fall. So adding in all of that Templar/Freemason conspiracy stuff is great. More than I was expecting in any case (GW either rewrites you from the ground up or just reprints whatever you had in 2nd Edition). Getting to keep the old background while getting brand new stuff added on (that doesn't suck) actually makes the fluff section of this codex quite nice. I have no complaints about that bit.

decoste007xt wrote:
I skimmed through the codex, and im terrified to fight Dark Angels as chaos... some of those weapons drop in AP value when fighting Chaos to become ap3. ap2 and ap1... and one of those weapons can be used as a S10 AP1 weapon. The only thing that keeps me safe is the possibility of just getting termy squads w/ combi plasma and double tapping them into DW terminators.

Yeah it's fun fighting Chaos. Haven't tried the Knights myself yet but that T5 with Smite does sound fun. It has to get into CC to do anything though with T5 with a 3++ even plasma might not slow them down a lot. Will have to try it though I'm unsure. Overall I like both books and they seem sort of made for each other. Really hoping other Codex's get PE's to like this but if nothing else the new design of the wargear options seems great so far. I've come to refer to the Chaos Lord's and Company Master's as Build-a-Bear-Space-Marines.

KaryudoDS wrote:

decoste007xt wrote:
I skimmed through the codex, and im terrified to fight Dark Angels as chaos... some of those weapons drop in AP value when fighting Chaos to become ap3. ap2 and ap1... and one of those weapons can be used as a S10 AP1 weapon. The only thing that keeps me safe is the possibility of just getting termy squads w/ combi plasma and double tapping them into DW terminators.

Yeah it's fun fighting Chaos. Haven't tried the Knights myself yet but that T5 with Smite does sound fun. It has to get into CC to do anything though with T5 with a 3++ even plasma might not slow them down a lot. Will have to try it though I'm unsure. Overall I like both books and they seem sort of made for each other. Really hoping other Codex's get PE's to like this but if nothing else the new design of the wargear options seems great so far. I've come to refer to the Chaos Lord's and Company Master's as Build-a-Bear-Space-Marines.

T4 is literally identical to T5 when facing plasma.

I might ally then with IG so I can have azareal a div lib and 50 guardsman with attached LC , give azareal the trait that gives his squad FNP near an objective and you have a objective camper like no other ( 50 men with 4++ 5*FNP)