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Argel Tal and Cyrene Valantion.
The first heretic is my favourite (and by a long shot!) HH novel. I really understood what could go through a SM mind during his path to heresy, and I understood at least that Horus did not wake up one day shouting "Gak all that, let's kill dad and rule the galaxy!". The characters are really subtle and have a lot of depth.

Lucius. Same as above, I really like how he's treated, noble SM slowly corrupted to the point of no return.

The old Luna Wolf who's limiping (can't remember his name right now). The fact that he is a witness to everything from the start, and that he's displaying an old man's wisdom in a settingnot used to it.

Horus. What's not to like? The archvillain, traitor son, described as powerfull as the big E himself. So archtypical, so grimdark...

Abaddon. Following Horus to the gates of hell (quite literally), blinded by hisadmiration of a crazy man. And also, 10.000 years of continued hate whithout tiring deserves a reward!

Nathaniel Garro. He's a total badass, the dude did what had to be done, managed to alert Rogal Dorn of Horus' treachery and the end of the "The Flight of Eisenstein" is beautiful. The Saint and Garro, together praying to the God-Emperor.

Yep, favorite character by far.

I don't think John Aticus is just a human just like Oll Persson. I think they are some powerful being that live for hundreds of years.

 chaos girl wrote:
I don't think John Aticus is just a human just like Oll Persson. I think they are some powerful being that live for hundreds of years.

John Grammaticus is a human. He died several times, his conscience got somehow placed in new bodies every time by the Cabal.

I have to say that Garviel Loken is probably my favorite character over all....

BUT

I sure am partial to Sergeant Bowe Hellok (from Know No Fear)...that guy was the pure unadulterated essence of what it meant to be a member of the Imerial Guard!

And so far, I have to say that Know No Fear is my favorite book as well. And I have them all

The way that Abnett describes The Campanile hitting Calth Veridian Anchor is some of the most amazing descriptive writing that I have read in a LONG time. I am a huge fan of Abnett (Have all of the Eisenhorn, Ravenor as well as most of the Ghosts books) but the description of that collision is just truly amazing.

I want to read more on Vulkan I swear they better not feth his character up though.

amudkipz wrote:
I want to read more on Vulkan I swear they better not feth his character up though.

Good luck getting a copy of Promethian Sun, sold out and ebay is $150+.

Garro is probably my favourite, with Tarvitz, Loken and Argel Tal not far behind.

I dislike Dorn intensely, his character is portrayed perfectly well but I just hate the way he acts.

Ahzek Ahriman and Argel Tal.

Garro...the guy had stones of steel!

Garvien loken and Saul Tarvitz.
No primarch I like the unexpected heroes.

New fav character, by far kharn

I've only finished Horus Rising, but I gotta say that Garviel Loken is a pretty lovable dude. He's buff, thoughtful, and even though he's a tried-and-true loyalist, he listens to his instincts.

Fav Char is Loken
Fav Battle is the massacre in Isstvan
Fav Book is book 1 of the Horus Heresy

I can't stand either loken or Saul, Loken, not only due they get themselves killed but their best friend as well, can't blame Lucious for hating Saul for causing his almost death..

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Horus wanted to negotiate with a human society that had effectively integrated xenos into their society, a society that proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Emperor was going about conquest the wrong way.

How was he a Mary Sue?

How did the Interex prove in anyway that the Emp is wrong?

because they are friends with aliens? That is something that happened even during the DAoT era. And yet its written countless times that aliens preyed on humanity during its weak point aka "Age of Strife'. The Interex being friends with aliens changes nothing really.

ZSO, SAHAAL wrote:

The marines were made for conquest not administration, if they weren't all such puffed-up delusional man-children they might just have realised that administration was bound to follow conquest.

Horus was an adept diplomat and administrator who relised that the Terrans buerucrats were forcing worlds into rebellion by overtaxing them. The issue was'nt humans being in positions of power, both Horus and Fuglrim had no problem giving the mechanicum and the Imperial Army leadership huge amounts of respect, Magard Horus's assasin was a lowly freed slave, the issue was that the Emperor wanted to impower people who had no other reasons for being in power than birth.

Considering that the Astartes particularly the Astartes who rebelled were recruited from the lower caste of the Imperium, from gangers, indentured servants, murderers and gladiators. They had been raised up to superhuman level and told they would fight for a new order where humanity would be free of the oppression and superstition that had shackled mankind, then they looked back and found that the new boss was just the same as the old boss and the same donkey-caves who oppressed them in mortal life still thought they owed them something. No wonder they got so pissed off that they'd want the galaxy to burn.

The Primarchs and Astartes didn't rebel cause there was no democracy. They rebelled for many reasons one of which is resentment that they who created the imperium are not ruling it. Instead bureaucrats and administrators are the one's ruling it.

And to be frank, this reason just shows how petty the Primarchs and Astartes are.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
How did the Interex prove in anyway that the Emp is wrong?

because they are friends with aliens? That is something that happened even during the DAoT era. And yet its written countless times that aliens preyed on humanity during its weak point aka "Age of Strife'. The Interex being friends with aliens changes nothing really.

No, because their society was upfront and honest about the danger of Chaos, and effectively resisted its allure.

Keeping his subjects and his sons ignorant of the true nature of Chaos allowed the Horus Heresy to be possible.

Though their stance towards aliens was also far more pragmatic than the Emperor's.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
How did the Interex prove in anyway that the Emp is wrong?

because they are friends with aliens? That is something that happened even during the DAoT era. And yet its written countless times that aliens preyed on humanity during its weak point aka "Age of Strife'. The Interex being friends with aliens changes nothing really.

No, because their society was upfront and honest about the danger of Chaos, and effectively resisted its allure.

Keeping his subjects and his sons ignorant of the true nature of Chaos allowed the Horus Heresy to be possible.

Though their stance towards aliens was also far more pragmatic than the Emperor's.

The Interex resisted nothing. Chaos didn't pay any attention to them as they were busy trying to get the Primarchs on their side. When Chaos did screw with the Interex, Chaos got exactly what they wanted.

I answer the Interex thing about alien with CABAL.

Its a great series, and so vast now that I can think of loads, but if I had to pick a slack handful id go with Tarvitz for getting gak done despite his apparent mediocrity, in the same way that only a coward can be truly brave, I find it more of a feat when an average man overcomes his own failings and really pulls it out of the bag.

Torgaddon for his sense of humour during adversity, and Garro for his more quiet brand of loyalty and stoicism.

Easily Gulliman out of the primarchs.

He won me over during Know no Fear following his calm and rational appeal to Lorgar even after he mashed half a planet, before taking down his plea and then calmly making a plan, and then starting to punch peoples heads off.

If I had to serve under a Primarch it would be him, or Sanguinius, and Vulkan. The rest all seem to have real deep rooted emotional issues, the obvious ones being the vast majority of the traitors, but even Dorn, The Lion, Ferrus, Russ and Corax seem to not be all there due to a mixture of masochism, self loathing, daddy issues and depression, plus a bit of blind rage or ill tempered alcoholism

I certainly wouldn't facing being in any of their honor guards!

 baxter123 wrote:
Magnus the Red and his Chief Librarian (Dunno what his name is, can't come to mind)

His name is arihman.


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My fave primarch is horus.

Skraal, Ehrlen, Corax.

You could make the argument that Skraal is the most hardcore mofo in HH history, if you really think about it.

Loken, Horus, Corax and Alpharius/Omegon.

Loken for being badass, inteligent and a pretty good fighter.

Horus for being human even though he is superhuman, for being both tender and also able to actively make heads roll

Corax for being the primarch i can relate the most to.

Alpharius/Omegon for being the greatest dicks/scheemers in all of the setting.