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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/08 06:53:46
Subject: Re:horus heresy series fav character
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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ZSO, SAHAAL wrote:Yea wanting Horus to die, interestingly it was'nt abbadon that massacred imperial troops on the embarcation deck, it was Loken in the name of the Warmaster. He's a hypocritial self rieghtous feth. I laughed when he died.
He's the opposite in mind of my fave Cyrene, loyal, innocent and undeserving of her misfortune, Loken and his annoying friends deserved everything that happened to them.
No, they didn't want to subject Horus to powers that could use him, change him. Oh, and guess what? They did. You can't argue this point, it is plain in the text.
Hurr.
Loken, Abaddon, Little Horus, and Torgaddon were all taking part in the slaughter of the embarkation deck. The difference? Loken and Torgaddon felt shamed by it, Abaddon didn't give a feth about mortal life. I can't recall Little Horus's reaction.
How is he hypocritical?
Cyrene supported the actions of the Word Bearers, including things like forcing Astropaths to sacrifice their own bodies to keep the Custode's own Astropaths messages from reaching out, and tampering with their own. Also the Horus Heresy in general. Cyrene was entirely undeserving of what happened to her on Monarchia, but she made a choice to align with the Word Bearers knowing fully what was going on, she made the choice knowing full-well she might die (And she did), and it is actually rather insulting towards her character to say "Oh she was always just an innocent victim of circumstance who did no wrong". No, she was much stronger than that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/09 10:06:26
Subject: horus heresy series fav character
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Fixture of Dakka
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Actually, I have to say, I like Abaddon's portrayal in the books so far: its a cool, reasonable character IMHO and really fitting for the man we know in 40K and his role in 30K.
I think he's portrayed really well and I fear this may be overlooked due to his less 'respected' portrayal in modern 40k.
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"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/09 18:36:04
Subject: horus heresy series fav character
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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I didn't dislike Abaddon. In Horus Rising and False Gods there was a noticeable contrast between the derpy angry Saturday Morning Cartoon villain of 40k, and the more sociable, even friendly among Astartes guy of 30k.
But if you read the book without thinking he had no care for humans at best, or actively disdained them at worst, then you're reading a different book, lol.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/10 04:00:22
Subject: horus heresy series fav character
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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So far I've been impressed by Fabius, he even talked back to Fulgrim while schooling said primarch on the future prospects of the III Legion. He's calm, aloof, and knowing what kind of monster he turns into just makes the character great. Disclaimer: i've only read 8-9 books so they might end up spoiling him later, I don't know.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/10 04:20:13
Subject: horus heresy series fav character
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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I loved Ahrimian's protrayal and especially Garro is an awesome character.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/10 05:12:39
Subject: Re:horus heresy series fav character
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Tough Traitorous Guardsman
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But if you read the book without thinking he had no care for humans at best, or actively disdained them at worst, then you're reading a different book,
I did'nt see any contempt for mortals he was just as willling to kill astartes, he just thought life was cheap, and in 30k/ 40k, it is.
If I remember correctly in soul hunter the Night Lords resent him for placing to much trust in mortal armies and giving the astartes gak jobs.
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Like the great storm of the Horus Heresy, the forces of the True Gods will descend upon the Emperor's minions. The stars will tremble at their passage and the mighty armadas of the Warmaster Abaddon will bring annihilation to a hundred worlds. Know this, for these things will come to pass. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/10 10:39:33
Subject: horus heresy series fav character
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Fixture of Dakka
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I don't think he necessarily had contempt for mortals, but rather saw them as inferior to Astartes, and remembrancers as unsuitable for the war.
Many Astartes seemed to look down on the remembrancers and increasing power given to humans/the high lords/adminstratum; hence some of the Primarch's rebelling...
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"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/10 16:39:45
Subject: Re:horus heresy series fav character
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Grey Knight Psionic Stormraven Pilot
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Magnus the Red, cause we will never know if, with the help of the Emperor, he would be able to lead humanity to the next step of evolution.
Nathaniel Garro from the Death Guard, cause he has done what he knew must be done. On this point he is stronger than Torggadon and Loken
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/10 17:40:56
Subject: horus heresy series fav character
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Powerful Pegasus Knight
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Abbadon's fortitude is far in excess of Horus' so far in the series. At times Horus, particularly in Flase Gods, has come across as innocent and faltering. Whereas Abbadon has consistently been strong, confident and made the transition from fighting for good to evil without looking like two different people, which Horus does.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/10 18:05:18
Subject: horus heresy series fav character
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Regular Dakkanaut
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For me it would have to be Angron I mean Angron didnt run into a falling wall said wall ran into angron XD
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/10 20:52:53
Subject: horus heresy series fav character
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Virulent Space Marine dedicated to Nurgle
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Favourite character: Nathaniel Garro
Favourite primarch(s) : Mortarion and Lorgar.
Favourite battle: Kaban machine's attack on the protagonists of "Mechanicum" in the caverns under Mars.
Favourite Book. First Heretic and Mechanicum.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/11 01:09:44
Subject: Re:horus heresy series fav character
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Tough Traitorous Guardsman
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I don't think he necessarily had contempt for mortals, but rather saw them as inferior to Astartes, and remembrancers as unsuitable for the war. Many Astartes seemed to look down on the remembrancers and increasing power given to humans/the high lords/adminstratum; hence some of the Primarch's rebelling...
Half the Imperial Army sided with Horus so I don't think you can paint the heresy as an attempt to establish the astartes as some sort of master race. The main resentment was that the burecrats who were really just puffed up nobles with no real exsperience in either war or governing were telling them not only how to fight but how to run newly conquered territory, Horus and Alpharious(before "Legion" butchered him and his legion) both pointed out that it was counter productive it was to impose exsessive taxes on the conquered, but the Lords of Terra who were really just nobles as opposed to people who did anything noteworthy wanted more money for themselves.
For the Warmaster
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Like the great storm of the Horus Heresy, the forces of the True Gods will descend upon the Emperor's minions. The stars will tremble at their passage and the mighty armadas of the Warmaster Abaddon will bring annihilation to a hundred worlds. Know this, for these things will come to pass. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/11 05:48:31
Subject: Re:horus heresy series fav character
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
New Zealand
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ZSO, SAHAAL wrote:I don't think he necessarily had contempt for mortals, but rather saw them as inferior to Astartes, and remembrancers as unsuitable for the war. Many Astartes seemed to look down on the remembrancers and increasing power given to humans/the high lords/adminstratum; hence some of the Primarch's rebelling...
Half the Imperial Army sided with Horus so I don't think you can paint the heresy as an attempt to establish the astartes as some sort of master race. The main resentment was that the burecrats who were really just puffed up nobles with no real exsperience in either war or governing were telling them not only how to fight but how to run newly conquered territory, Horus and Alpharious(before "Legion" butchered him and his legion) both pointed out that it was counter productive it was to impose exsessive taxes on the conquered, but the Lords of Terra who were really just nobles as opposed to people who did anything noteworthy wanted more money for themselves.
For the Warmaster
How exactly did Legion butcher Alpharius? before that came out information about the Alpha Legion as a whole was scarce at best. Or is this just another case of dakka bandwagoning?
The marines were made for conquest not administration, if they weren't all such puffed-up delusional man-children they might just have realised that administration was bound to follow conquest.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/11 06:56:56
Subject: Re:horus heresy series fav character
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Tough Traitorous Guardsman
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The marines were made for conquest not administration, if they weren't all such puffed-up delusional man-children they might just have realised that administration was bound to follow conquest.
Horus was an adept diplomat and administrator who relised that the Terrans buerucrats were forcing worlds into rebellion by overtaxing them. The issue was'nt humans being in positions of power, both Horus and Fuglrim had no problem giving the mechanicum and the Imperial Army leadership huge amounts of respect, Magard Horus's assasin was a lowly freed slave, the issue was that the Emperor wanted to impower people who had no other reasons for being in power than birth.
Considering that the Astartes particularly the Astartes who rebelled were recruited from the lower caste of the Imperium, from gangers, indentured servants, murderers and gladiators. They had been raised up to superhuman level and told they would fight for a new order where humanity would be free of the oppression and superstition that had shackled mankind, then they looked back and found that the new boss was just the same as the old boss and the same donkey-caves who oppressed them in mortal life still thought they owed them something. No wonder they got so pissed off that they'd want the galaxy to burn.
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Like the great storm of the Horus Heresy, the forces of the True Gods will descend upon the Emperor's minions. The stars will tremble at their passage and the mighty armadas of the Warmaster Abaddon will bring annihilation to a hundred worlds. Know this, for these things will come to pass. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/11 09:52:01
Subject: Re:horus heresy series fav character
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
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ZSO, SAHAAL wrote:The marines were made for conquest not administration, if they weren't all such puffed-up delusional man-children they might just have realised that administration was bound to follow conquest.
Horus was an adept diplomat and administrator who relised that the Terrans buerucrats were forcing worlds into rebellion by overtaxing them. The issue was'nt humans being in positions of power, both Horus and Fuglrim had no problem giving the mechanicum and the Imperial Army leadership huge amounts of respect, Magard Horus's assasin was a lowly freed slave, the issue was that the Emperor wanted to impower people who had no other reasons for being in power than birth.
Considering that the Astartes particularly the Astartes who rebelled were recruited from the lower caste of the Imperium, from gangers, indentured servants, murderers and gladiators. They had been raised up to superhuman level and told they would fight for a new order where humanity would be free of the oppression and superstition that had shackled mankind, then they looked back and found that the new boss was just the same as the old boss and the same donkey-caves who oppressed them in mortal life still thought they owed them something. No wonder they got so pissed off that they'd want the galaxy to burn.
Horus and his turncoat brothers didn’t just start a bloody civil war because of some bureaucrats putting taxes on newly conquered worlds. They rebelled because they wanted to be this new empire’s masters, a position that was denied to them with the establishment of the council of terra, whose members were not warriors, but rather men and women with experience in dealing with economics and politics.
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amanita wrote:So dare I ask what happens if he farts? Could it blow the seals on the lower portion of his armor? Or is a space marine's system immune to such mundane fluctuations of bodily conduct?
Moktor wrote:No one should be complaining about this codex. It gave regular Eldar a much needed buff by allowing us to drop Fire Dragons and D-Scythe Wraithguard wherever we want, without scatter. Without this, I almost lost a game once. It was scary. I almost took to buying fixed dice to ensure it never happened again. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/11 10:13:14
Subject: horus heresy series fav character
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Dangerous Skeleton Champion
California
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Actually it seems Horus rebelled because the future that he was shown didn't have him in it. His victories all forgotten ect. Which was the current future and he was just not told that he was not in it because he rebelled.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/11 10:20:31
Subject: horus heresy series fav character
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Fixture of Dakka
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Or... Both.
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"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/11 10:33:29
Subject: Re:horus heresy series fav character
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
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Horus simply just wanted to rule, to be the new emperor, the rightful master of mankind.
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amanita wrote:So dare I ask what happens if he farts? Could it blow the seals on the lower portion of his armor? Or is a space marine's system immune to such mundane fluctuations of bodily conduct?
Moktor wrote:No one should be complaining about this codex. It gave regular Eldar a much needed buff by allowing us to drop Fire Dragons and D-Scythe Wraithguard wherever we want, without scatter. Without this, I almost lost a game once. It was scary. I almost took to buying fixed dice to ensure it never happened again. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/11 17:12:14
Subject: horus heresy series fav character
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Fixture of Dakka
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Or perhaps it's just simply "All of The Above"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/11 19:12:29
Subject: Re:horus heresy series fav character
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Adolescent Youth with Potential
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My favorite characters are Saul Tarvitz, Fulgrim, and Sanguinius.
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Three Legions of Marines stand to defend you, sire. All of us will unflinchingly place ourselves between you and the war’s desolation. We are the greatest humans ever born – we are the flame of Humanity where the rest of the galaxy is just the spark. In centuries of warfare, against the vileness of the alien, the lies of the heretic, the foulness of the mutant, I have never known fear – but your silence terrifies me. - Sanguinius. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/12 05:54:53
Subject: Re:horus heresy series fav character
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Happy We Found Our Primarch
Australia
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Tarik and Saul were by far the best.
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Imperial Fists: 2000
W:9 D:0 L:5
Adeptus Custodes
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/14 03:46:46
Subject: Re:horus heresy series fav character
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Tough Traitorous Guardsman
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Fulgrim was a let down, the primarch and the book, I enjoyed the book but I expected more out of him.
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Like the great storm of the Horus Heresy, the forces of the True Gods will descend upon the Emperor's minions. The stars will tremble at their passage and the mighty armadas of the Warmaster Abaddon will bring annihilation to a hundred worlds. Know this, for these things will come to pass. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/19 19:20:09
Subject: horus heresy series fav character
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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge
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Abbadon -- who doesn't like a guy with angry management problems and just wants to kill everything, but at the same time he's tactical in his decision (sometimes not all).
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For the Lion and Death to all chaos filth.
For the Emperor!!!
2000 pts Blue Moon Ork Warband
2500 pts Imperial Guard Regiment "Javion IV 7th Regiment"
1000pts Templars of Oden 2nd Company
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/21 11:44:09
Subject: horus heresy series fav character
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Skillful Swordsman
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I really liked Rikishio (not sure how its spell so sorry if its wrong) from Garro - Sword Of Truth he was pretty cool until he was betrayed by Hakeem.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/21 14:07:47
Subject: horus heresy series fav character
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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Glorioski wrote:Abbadon's fortitude is far in excess of Horus' so far in the series. At times Horus, particularly in Flase Gods, has come across as innocent and faltering. Whereas Abbadon has consistently been strong, confident and made the transition from fighting for good to evil without looking like two different people, which Horus does.
Hmm, to an extant I agree, but look at Abaddon when Horus enters the Temple. Abaddon is in pieces at this moment and seems to be the most affected character of all the Luna Wolves, his instability and over reliance on his Primarch is apparent here.
MarsNZ wrote:
How exactly did Legion butcher Alpharius? before that came out information about the Alpha Legion as a whole was scarce at best.
Isn't that the whole point behind the Alpha Legion
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/21 18:57:08
Subject: horus heresy series fav character
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Sinister Chaos Marine
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I like Omegon because he seems to not wan to go down the path his legion is going. He is like the silent partner in the legion. It is further validated in The Serpent Beneath.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/21 19:01:02
Subject: Re:horus heresy series fav character
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Sinister Chaos Marine
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First Chaplain Erebus, because he's the man everyone loves to hate.
Honorable mention to Fabius Bile for the same reason.
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"Speak the words of Lorgar and you shall live forever in the glory of Chaos. Speak them not and every one of you shall die today."
Word Bearers: 2,500 points
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/22 20:13:39
Subject: Re:horus heresy series fav character
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Tough Traitorous Guardsman
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Abbadon's fortitude is far in excess of Horus' so far in the series. At times Horus, particularly in Flase Gods, has come across as innocent and faltering. Whereas Abbadon has consistently been strong, confident and made the transition from fighting for good to evil without looking like two different people, which Horus does.
The transition with Horus was bad, reading the later books make him seem like a completely different guy, in Horus Rising he was a marry sue who wants to negotiate with xenos while Abbadon just wants to kill them off.
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Like the great storm of the Horus Heresy, the forces of the True Gods will descend upon the Emperor's minions. The stars will tremble at their passage and the mighty armadas of the Warmaster Abaddon will bring annihilation to a hundred worlds. Know this, for these things will come to pass. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/22 22:50:44
Subject: horus heresy series fav character
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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Horus wanted to negotiate with a human society that had effectively integrated xenos into their society, a society that proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Emperor was going about conquest the wrong way.
How was he a Mary Sue?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/27 11:28:12
Subject: horus heresy series fav character
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Huge Hierodule
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John Aticus? Human that is part of the Cabal in Alpha legion
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was censored by the ministry of truth |
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