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 BryllCream wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
What am I even reading here? We're talking about an MMO, not Final Fantasy Tactics.

I wanted confirmation that the combat in neverwinter nights 2 would be just as boring.as every single other mmorpg. Now I have it, interest has gone

This... isn't NWN2.

not all MMOs have the same gameplay. WoW and SWTOR are similar but games like Project Entropia require you to actually aim at stuff to shoot and hitting specific spots on your target has different results. (a headshot crits and a legshot slows).

Then you have games like Terra which is more an action style MMO that requires less random button smashing due to the skill chain system and yet still challenges the player with gameplay as they have to actively select multiple targets for some spells/abilities.

Yeah but they don't have pause.

 Ahtman wrote:
This has to be one of the most obtuse reasons I've seen for not even trying a game.

if your gaming background is forgotten realms rpgs, then its not that unusual.

 BryllCream wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
This has to be one of the most obtuse reasons I've seen for not even trying a game.

if your gaming background is forgotten realms rpgs, then its not that unusual.

Heaven forbid trying OTHER TYPES OF GAMES

 Corpsesarefun wrote:

 BryllCream wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
This has to be one of the most obtuse reasons I've seen for not even trying a game.

if your gaming background is forgotten realms rpgs, then its not that unusual.

Heaven forbid trying OTHER TYPES OF GAMES

I play lots of games. The entire Civ franchise 2 through 5, Red alert 1 2 and 3, all the fallouts, Theme Hospital, most Paradox games, Saint's Row, Call of Duty, Hidden and Dangerous 2...I could go on.

Point is, we're talking about an RPG set in the Forgotten Realms. So when making comparisons, looking at other RPGs set in the Forgotten Realms is not unusual. If I don't have the time to play tactically then that's important to me.

It's an MMORPG, not just an RPG.

It's not for you, that's fine.

Expecting, or even hoping for a pause system in an mmo though, that's sort of absurd.

 BryllCream wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
This has to be one of the most obtuse reasons I've seen for not even trying a game.

if your gaming background is forgotten realms rpgs, then its not that unusual.

I didn't say that pausing the action was unusual, I said that completely dismissing a game because it doesn't pause is obtuse. My gaming background is the Forgotten Realms rpgs, and lots of other games. You might as well say you would never try Baldur's Gate because it has real time elements, and you only play turn based only because your gaming background is Pool of Radiance and Curse of the Azure Bonds.

 Ahtman wrote:

 BryllCream wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
This has to be one of the most obtuse reasons I've seen for not even trying a game.

if your gaming background is forgotten realms rpgs, then its not that unusual.

I didn't say that pausing the action was unusual, I said that completely dismissing a game because it doesn't pause is obtuse. My gaming background is the Forgotten Realms rpgs, and lots of other games. You might as well say you would never try Baldur's Gate because it has real time elements, and you only play turn based only because your gaming background is Pool of Radiance and Curse of the Azure Bonds.

I say that all the time. Sometimes twelve or thirteen times a day. My coworkers won't talk to me any more.

Co-workers suck.
No pause button.

TBH i'd rather have a delete feature rather than a pause feature for co-workers

 BryllCream wrote:

 Corpsesarefun wrote:

 BryllCream wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
This has to be one of the most obtuse reasons I've seen for not even trying a game.

if your gaming background is forgotten realms rpgs, then its not that unusual.

Heaven forbid trying OTHER TYPES OF GAMES

I play lots of games. The entire Civ franchise 2 through 5, Red alert 1 2 and 3, all the fallouts, Theme Hospital, most Paradox games, Saint's Row, Call of Duty, Hidden and Dangerous 2...I could go on.

Point is, we're talking about an RPG set in the Forgotten Realms. So when making comparisons, looking at other RPGs set in the Forgotten Realms is not unusual. If I don't have the time to play tactically then that's important to me.

Setting is just a backdrop really, when it comes to games. Icewind Dale and Baldur's Gate are comparable not because they're both set in Forgotten Realms, but because they're both isometric tactical RPGs. You could just as easily compare Baldur's Gate or NWN to Dragon Age: Origins. They're all fantastic games. Comparing them to Dragon Age II, however, would be pointless.

 streamdragon wrote:

 BryllCream wrote:

 Corpsesarefun wrote:

 BryllCream wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
This has to be one of the most obtuse reasons I've seen for not even trying a game.

if your gaming background is forgotten realms rpgs, then its not that unusual.

Heaven forbid trying OTHER TYPES OF GAMES

I play lots of games. The entire Civ franchise 2 through 5, Red alert 1 2 and 3, all the fallouts, Theme Hospital, most Paradox games, Saint's Row, Call of Duty, Hidden and Dangerous 2...I could go on.

Point is, we're talking about an RPG set in the Forgotten Realms. So when making comparisons, looking at other RPGs set in the Forgotten Realms is not unusual. If I don't have the time to play tactically then that's important to me.

Setting is just a backdrop really, when it comes to games. Icewind Dale and Baldur's Gate are comparable not because they're both set in Forgotten Realms, but because they're both isometric tactical RPGs. You could just as easily compare Baldur's Gate or NWN to Dragon Age: Origins. They're all fantastic games. Comparing them to Dragon Age II, however, would be pointless.

Comparing anything to Dragon Age II is generally an insult to the other game

Dragon Age II was in some ways better than Origins, the issue with the game was that it was rushed for an earlier release date.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Dragon Age II was in some ways better than Origins, the issue with the game was that it was rushed for an earlier release date.

That, and the variety and customization is way less than origins.

 Cheesecat wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Dragon Age II was in some ways better than Origins, the issue with the game was that it was rushed for an earlier release date.

That, and the variety and customization is way less than origins.

That, and it was just bad in every way.

Otherwise it was good.

Im liking this so far, got a control wizard to lvl 10, and its fun.

the graphics are good, the gameplay is fun. its FREE@!

and its set in a world/setting I have loved since ever!

i have been waiting for an rpg game that let fans build content for a long time too!

its easily as good as WOW already, if not better due to the player made content, but time will tell.

Gameplay was mentioned to be similar to GW2?

I might try it now that I have my computer back.

 Melissia wrote:
Gameplay was mentioned to be similar to GW2?

I might try it now that I have my computer back.

A few things in the world like loot are similar, but otherwise its more WoW or TOR.

Quests: Quest hubs ala WoW rather than GW2's map system. Turn in usually requires returning to the quest giver instead of just getting rewards in the mail.

Crafting: More similar to TOR in that you dont do anything directly. You hire craftsmen and they do stuff hsing materials you've collected.

Loot: money is shared, but each person gets their own items from bosses and chests. There are loot nodes (mostly yielding crafting materials) that are first come first serve however.

Abilities: not like any above games. Main At-Wills are tied to left and right click. Encounter powers (abilities on a cooldown) are on Q, E and R. Daily powers (which simply require you have built up action points ala a super meter) are on 1 and 2. You also have two slots for passive powers.

Companions: sort of like TOR except not class specific. Anyone can pay gold to buy a companion to fight with them. There are a few higher quality companions to be found/purchased.

Uh... think that's it really? My Trickster Rogue is 42, so I havent hit end game or anything.


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Append: the dodge system is similar to GW2 though.

Huh. Seems almost like a step back in comparison then.

 Melissia wrote:
Huh. Seems almost like a step back in comparison then.

It is different enough to invest the money* into to trying it at least. I would compare it more to GW2 than WoW myself.

*It is free.

For info, some stuff can be done from a browser now.
I got an email telling me that http://gateway.playneverwinter.com lets you kick off crafting tasks, get at the auction house, and similar.
For 10-minute crafting jobs, this is great.

For those worried about security, you need to register and confirm every browser you use. It's a pain for the first use of each, but a good idea.

Melissia wrote:Huh. Seems almost like a step back in comparison then.

Beyond having to return to quest givers, the more limited abilities and just the way the plays actually feel nothing like WoW. I just couldnt find many things to directly relate to GW2 specifically.

GW2 has the beginning "all about you story line" while NW doesnt. You learn weapon based abilities in GW2 while NW uses essentially skill points. You gather and craft things yourself in GW2, while that only sort of half or quarter applies to NW.

WoW's quest giving method (and by extension TOR's system) is used in NW, but far more localized in terms of zone flow and NPC location. It doesnt feel like WoW's system as much, but nor is it the 'walk into an area and get a quest' that GW2 uses.

Overall I think the game flows and plays well, if a bit (read: extremely) limited in scope right now. I would say give it a shot. Game itself is free, so you really dont have anything but time and bandwidth to lose.

Skinnereal wrote:For info, some stuff can be done from a browser now.
I got an email telling me that http://gateway.playneverwinter.com lets you kick off crafting tasks, get at the auction house, and similar.
For 10-minute crafting jobs, this is great.

For those worried about security, you need to register and confirm every browser you use. It's a pain for the first use of each, but a good idea.

I am on this near constantly. Given that you can gather almost all the basic raw materials you need through short tasks, its a good way to get stuff done without having to deal with it while questing. I even use it while playing League or other games.

Just signed up (first beta I've ever done, actually) and I've downloaded the client.

Any of you guys got any tips / things to watch out for?

Try to avoid being shot.

It's usually very easy, what with the big drawn red templates on the ground.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Try to avoid being shot.

It's usually very easy, what with the big drawn red templates on the ground.

Good one!


It's very... erm... interesting so far.


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When I quit the game the launcher tries to download the entire game again. This happening to anyone else? :\