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No quote then? I didn't expect anything else you know. Good day to you too..

I don't need to quote the rules which have already been repeatedly explained to you over the last 4 pages.

No rules have been quoted. Only made up arguments.

Do you guys want this thread locked or something?

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From my point of view the argument gets broken down to two views:

1 - FNP = exact same thing as rolling your original armor save. if FNP passes the save was never failed and the effect never happened.

2 - FNP doesn't do anything except prevent you from allocating a wound. all effects from the unsaved wound are still triggered.

Due to GWs vague wording, i don't see how either one can be more right or more wrong. Our local group does play it RAI option 2 tho. Afterall, FNP literally refers to not feeling pain from a wound that you have already suffered. You just get to walk it off like a champ.

 DeathReaper wrote:
FNP Treats the wound as saved.

That is what you keep repeating, but the way it is written uses this odd turn of phrase where I am not entirely sure what the punctuation signifies..

"
On a 5+, the unsaved Wound is discounted - treat it as having been saved.
"

In my native language at least, anything behind that dash would be a mere clarification, a synonym even to to make it clearer what the first part means.

Now if the rule only had:

"Discount the wound", I would definitely say that it only discounts the wound and anything else triggered off of the unsaved wound still goes.

If it only had:

"Treat the wound as saved", I would interpret that as treat it just as if an armour or cover save was passed, there was no unsaved wound at all.

But... It includes both.

I started doubting just now how it should be played, after rereading the Doom's Absorb Life. Because somehow I think that ES should work when the FNP is passed and Absorb Life shouldn't. No matter that they work the same way...

IMHO, the only thing to do here is to have GW FAQ every single ability that triggers off of Unsaved Wounds, as to how it interacts with FNP. Or at least give a blanket FAQ for all of them in one go.