Sesame Street Puppet who has a Dad in Jail

Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:

No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.

If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

**Frazzled**

Ahtman wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Thanks for supporting my argument Ahtman!

That people can be sentenced and spend time in jail for selling that sweet chiba? You're welcome. You never said that they wouldn't also have other charges against them, just that it doesn't happen, and I gave four examples where it does.

The 'no one goes to jail for selling weed' argument has nothing to do with your ridiculous 'everyone in jail is a terrible no good bad parent'. The refutation of that was never that there are no bad parents in prison, but that it is to broad a statement to merit taking seriously, as there are all sorts of reason why good people end up in jail sometimes. Most will be pretty gakky people, but to say they all are is just facetious. Since you have trouble seperating them I will help.

"No one goes to jail for selling weed"
- examples of people going to jail for selling weed given. Argument refuted

"All people in prison are bad parents"
- examples of why people may end up in prison and not be bad parents given. Argument refuted
- reasons given for why all people in jail are bad parents also shown to be fallacious and applicable to many people that aren't in jail (heavy workload, career military). Underlying assumption refuted.

I will cede on the point in that I was wrong that no goes to prison for weed. However the actual article brilliantly supports my argument.
1. Selling drugs out of the family residence.
2. getting the kids involved.

As Yoda would say "As parents suck they do."

Automatically Appended Next Post:

daedalus wrote:
Here's a compelling premise: There surely exist gakky parents that are not in prison.

With that in mind, what if, for those set of people, being imprisoned WOULD be contributing positively toward the future of their child(ren), simply by virtue of them not being present during their upbringing?

Perhaps absence IS an asset of sorts.

I could see that. However, they are still bad parents, prison just keeps the bad parenting away from the kids.

**hotsauceman1**

That is also something you are doing to be a better parent.

**skyfi**

In interesting note in the Spottedcrow case, the judge who originally sentenced her to 12 years in prison had just previously, totally let a highway patrolman's wife off the hook for possession of more than $31 of pot. How close these 2 cases were together on this judges' docket was quit appalling, I wish I could find the articles on it. All the articles on spottedcrow now I find have to do with her early release/parole/the incarceration rate of women in OK.

We also were the ones to sentence that wheelchair bound-sickly fella to 96 years in prison for growing pot for his own medicinal use.. Who after some time,got parole, and extradited back to OK from California or somewhere, for violating parole by leaving the state of OK (to go to a state where he could legally acquire the marijuana that helps his disorder, MS or something I can't recall off the top of my head).. Oklahoma has a really bad reputation for this sort of gak.

In any event, I think it's been explained/argued plenty by now, that going to prison doesn't make you a bad parent in-of-itself. it's really more based on numerous factors, and why you go to prison is just one very relevant factor.

**reds8n**