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I suppose it's time to reveal that the FW material I do use are the Servants of Slaughter list, and soon the SM Siege assault vanguard. So yeah, Khorne CSM with no helldrakes, and SM with no bikes/jump units/rhinos/skimmers/MUST take a heavy/capture that objective or you lose.
Now so far in this thread those opposed to the idea that FW is a thing all of the time have stated that "all FW lists are overpowered;" What lists in particular are you speaking of? Have you actually ever faced that particular list, or are you going by hearsay on the internets?
Was there a particular unit in the army that you felt you had little to no defense against, and that there is literally nothing your codex/army could do against it?
Next: saying it isnt an official codex; well... there are codex supplements which are not codicies, they are in fact optional additions to a codex which alter it's rules/composition/equipment slightly. Is this not what forgeworld lists do for the most part? And what about that whole "40k approved" stamp you have seen in every single IA book since I think #7 or 8? Is that completely irrelevant even though it's parent stamp in the beginning of the book is normally directly above the GW logo?



But more on topic again; I wish my Nids could still used scythed heirodules in regular games as heavies. Having a gargantuan greature in a 1850 game was hilarious the few times it happened. This as well as agreeing with Tamwulf on the Sicarian Battle Tank thing. I'm probably going to get a few of those and (depending on their rules) shoehorn them into my minotaurs army, because they get all the fun toys that everyone else forgot about for some reason

I see both sides of the argument, I personally welcome people who play forgworld but honestly if your opponent does not want to take the time to read your rules or learn new things that is ultimately their choice.

Flying Toaster wrote:
I see both sides of the argument, I personally welcome people who play forgworld but honestly if your opponent does not want to take the time to read your rules or learn new things that is ultimately their choice.

That's true. However, that individual (who does not wish to read or learn) should not go about telling others that forge-world is illegal in a normal game of 40k. Because then they are lying.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

Flying Toaster wrote:
I see both sides of the argument, I personally welcome people who play forgworld but honestly if your opponent does not want to take the time to read your rules or learn new things that is ultimately their choice.

That's true. However, that individual (who does not wish to read or learn) should not go about telling others that forge-world is illegal in a normal game of 40k. Because then they are lying.

I completely agree. I have stayed out of the argument so far because of how irrational this thread has become.

 Kain wrote:
Mortis Contemptor dreads for my Dark Angels.

Because feth your heldrake, eat 12 BS5 skyfire, interceptor S6 rending shots with two krak missiles to boot.

*Per dread*

>12 BS5 skyfire, interceptor S6 rending shots with 2 krak missiles per dread...

And people wonder why some don't like including FW rules in their regular 40k games.

 augustus5 wrote:

 Kain wrote:
Mortis Contemptor dreads for my Dark Angels.

Because feth your heldrake, eat 12 BS5 skyfire, interceptor S6 rending shots with two krak missiles to boot.

*Per dread*

>12 BS5 skyfire, interceptor S6 rending shots with 2 krak missiles per dread...

And people wonder why some don't like including FW rules in their regular 40k games.

24" range on those S6 shots, only gets Interceptor if it doesn't move, and costs about as much as a Chaos Land Raider. I've yet to see one make any particularly spectacular return on its investment. Super easy to deal with.

 augustus5 wrote:

 Kain wrote:
Mortis Contemptor dreads for my Dark Angels.

Because feth your heldrake, eat 12 BS5 skyfire, interceptor S6 rending shots with two krak missiles to boot.

*Per dread*

>12 BS5 skyfire, interceptor S6 rending shots with 2 krak missiles per dread...

And people wonder why some don't like including FW rules in their regular 40k games.

Only if you stand still, and it's definitely not cheap (near land raider prices)

And only with a range of 24'.

Still the best way to completely shut down heldrakes so my Ravenwing can harvest Traitor tears.

With the amount of shots each dread is putting out, I'm going to get a pen, and my chances of destroying the Heldrake before it does anything in one go are very good.

Of course a good Chaos player will have lascannon havocs or oblits to kill my contemptors first.

The first legion rules.

 augustus5 wrote:

 Kain wrote:
Mortis Contemptor dreads for my Dark Angels.

Because feth your heldrake, eat 12 BS5 skyfire, interceptor S6 rending shots with two krak missiles to boot.

*Per dread*

>12 BS5 skyfire, interceptor S6 rending shots with 2 krak missiles per dread...

And people wonder why some don't like including FW rules in their regular 40k games.

They don't like anyone being able to counter the ludicrously OP stuff that already comes in the main codex?

As has been pointed out to you, those Kheres shots require you to be within 24", I find a lot of the time that I'm only Skyfiring the missile pods. The Mortis Contemptor isn't overpowered, it's just flexible, capable of effectively engaging infantry, armour, and air, providing you can engineer the engagement in the right circumstances, and are willing to pay the points cost for it.

This kind of willful misunderstanding is why so many people are anti-FW without ever even having picked up one of the IA books.

From what I've seen if you mention FW people first think to things like an AV13 flying assault transport that can ram targets and carry a lot of assault terminators. Or maybe some of the more infamous LR varients.

When I tried to bring a tetra into a game, a GK player got freaked out and was wondering if he should play or not cause he wasn't sure about FW. So I showed him the rules and explained that it's just a AV10 fast skimmer that has support equipment. He actually realized it wasn't anything crazy.

I think that if things like the Assault Ram were more commonly used that people would understand they aren't as dangerous as people assume. Personally I'm really curious about it because I've never really seen one used and only briefly know what it does. Doesn't really spell doom for everything with a FW logo on it. Really if a Tau player wanted to use the FW items against me, I know it'd actually be hindering his army for the most part since 80% of the options are junk.

I shot down an assault ram with a Manticore Sky Eagle launcher in one shot last time I played it. Not scary.

Things I wanna see in Normal 40k?

-Dredclaw drop pods (im sorry but ive always wanted a CSM DP army ever since 2008 when I saw the plastic DP model)

-Mega Dredds and Meka dredds (just please give them an oversized two handed chainsaw as an option... please?)

-Contemptor dreads and Decimator engines, models are awesome would love to see them in plastic

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
I shot down an assault ram with a Manticore Sky Eagle launcher in one shot last time I played it. Not scary.

But that's FW stuff killing other FW stuff, they're both op and therefore cancel eachother out.

 Bobthehero wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
I shot down an assault ram with a Manticore Sky Eagle launcher in one shot last time I played it. Not scary.

But that's FW stuff killing other FW stuff, they're both op and therefore cancel eachother out.

Meaning that if you allow FW then the OP stuff will be mellowed in the meta because it's counter exists, and therefore will not actually change much. It'd be like if they released a super OP unit that was awesome, and another that one-shoots the first one.

No one would take the first one because even a single hard counter list at the tournament would kill it, and no one would take the second because you see the first so little. The Meta wouldn't change much.

Heirophant...wish there was a slightly smaller unit like it for non apocalypse games, supposedly we are getting one in November.

Thunderhawks too...and primarchs....does the current line of primarchs models have rules?

BrotherVord wrote:
Heirophant...wish there was a slightly smaller unit like it for non apocalypse games, supposedly we are getting one in November.

Thunderhawks too...and primarchs....does the current line of primarchs models have rules?

Doesn't that mean that the Hierophant needs to get bigger and beefier to retain it's awe inspiring status?

Dkok. Oh lord, I would buy them up like hotcakes. I don't care how useless it would be, a full Dkok infantry army charging across the field would be beautiful.

fluffstalker wrote:
Dkok. Oh lord, I would buy them up like hotcakes. I don't care how useless it would be, a full Dkok infantry army charging across the field would be beautiful.

Well your wish may come true. Lots of rumors suggest IG will be seeing plastic Steel Legion, which is the closest you will get to DKoK without running into the GW vs. FW barrier. I myself feel FW should be completely legal & accepted in 40k games. The majority of my local gaming community disagrees however, so until that day comes I am stuck with GW products.

BrotherVord wrote:

Thunderhawks too...and primarchs....does the current line of primarchs models have rules?

Yes, but they are written as "intended for 30k, not 40k"
The entire heresy book series is a sub-game on its own right, not intended to be used with or against other books.

 BoomWolf wrote:

BrotherVord wrote:

Thunderhawks too...and primarchs....does the current line of primarchs models have rules?

Yes, but they are written as "intended for 30k, not 40k"
The entire heresy book series is a sub-game on its own right, not intended to be used with or against other books.

They do work fine against other books though.

Just don't expect many to be sympathetic when Heldrakes turn your army into toast.