GW December releases. No tyranids.

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**Troike**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I assume they don't give more information, and it's therefore impossible to know if AS is counted as an actual army or not…

Oh of course they are. They even have a new codex to solidify that fact. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if the super-heavy that we get access to is just a Baneblade, but it's something, at least.

**Pouncey**

Absolutionis wrote:
It seems all those images exploded. Photobucket has taken them down in violation of their terms.

Yup, even got a notice in my e-mail threatening a photobucket ban if I continue to violate the posting rules.

Spoiler:

Naturally, I won't be contesting it.

**Kroothawk**

Advertising GW products is against the law!

Sadly, posting WD pics before WD release is the only purpose, WD has left. As soon as it is released, preorder pics are online anyway.

**Fafnir**

Breotan wrote:
aliusexalio wrote:
Anyone know what the parting shot in the WD of November was about? ("Why should I fear the daemon, he has no power over me")
They're releasing a new board game based on that movie with David Bowie?

I would buy this.

**Selym**

pretre wrote:
Whumbachumba wrote:
Any details on this Space Marines codex? A box set like the Chaos one that just came out? Codex, supplements and artwork?

Space Marines Ultima Edition - Oct 2013
Space Marines Ultima Edition PENDING
Limited to 500 copies world wide PENDING
A display box with 4 separate hardback books inside PENDING
-Galaxis: a fold out map of the Galaxy folio PENDING
-Illuminatus: a 72page art gallery of Space Marines PENDING
-Adeptus Astartes: shows off every Space Marine miniature painted by the eavy metal team PENDING
-Codex Space Marines PENDING

Edit: Allegedly.

So it's supposedly a $250 advertisement for a sickeningly large array of SM minis?

Well feth that.

If it's real, then GOOD JOB, GW!

**pretre**

Selym wrote:
pretre wrote:
Whumbachumba wrote:
Any details on this Space Marines codex? A box set like the Chaos one that just came out? Codex, supplements and artwork?

Space Marines Ultima Edition - Oct 2013
Space Marines Ultima Edition PENDING
Limited to 500 copies world wide PENDING
A display box with 4 separate hardback books inside PENDING
-Galaxis: a fold out map of the Galaxy folio PENDING
-Illuminatus: a 72page art gallery of Space Marines PENDING
-Adeptus Astartes: shows off every Space Marine miniature painted by the eavy metal team PENDING
-Codex Space Marines PENDING

Edit: Allegedly.

So it's supposedly a $250 advertisement for a sickeningly large array of SM minis?

Well feth that.

If it's real, then GOOD JOB, GW!

Umm. Display box, fold out map, art gallery and codex isn't an advertisement. Overpriced? Maybe. Advertisement? Dubious. Keep raging against the GW machine though!

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

So...the display box. Do the books come included or do you have to buy them seperately?

Does anyone know where else to find the pictures? The ones posted in this thread so far have been deleted due to copyright.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Troike wrote:
Oh of course they are. They even have a new codex to solidify that fact.

Inquisition also has a “codex”. I don't think it qualifies as an actual army when it doesn't even have Troop choices !

Troike wrote:
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if the super-heavy that we get access to is just a Baneblade, but it's something, at least.

I would be extremely surprised if we were to have access to any Sororitas super-heavy because… well, there are currently no rules, no fluff, and most importantly no model for Sororitas super-heavy, and if we were to get new models, there are many much more urgent things to release than a super-heavy.
So, yeah, Baneblade. Blah

. I guess my money will still go to Privateer Press then.

**mjl7atlas**

Kind of a a painting and modeling question, but what color did they use for that XV-107 Riptide? Thanks.

**djones520**

Does GW honestly think the Hobbit would outsell Tyranids in December?

This just seems like a horrible business decision. The month people are most likely to spend money, and they push out a product that no one wants, instead of the one that everyone is clamoring for.

**Absolutionis**

djones520 wrote:
Does GW honestly think the Hobbit would outsell Tyranids in December?

This just seems like a horrible business decision. The month people are most likely to spend money, and they push out a product that no one wants, instead of the one that everyone is clamoring for.

They're releasing The Hobbit stuff during the time when the movie is being released. Their goal is to grab new customers. Releasing The Hobbit in January would be too late.

When they release Tyranids, all present and future Tyranid players are going to buy those products regardless of when they're released. Warhammer products never go on sale and pretty much never depreciate in value. Whether they release it in December or January, people will buy it. People will still be buying it for full price December 2014.

The Hobbit, not so much. Grab those customers while the movie and products are hot.

**Sidstyler**

Absolutionis wrote:
The Hobbit, not so much. Grab those customers while the movie and products are hot.

Yeah..."hot". Hobbit models didn't exactly fly off shelves when they debuted last year and I doubt that'll change this year. Prices are way too off-putting for that, combined with some goofy-looking sculpts.

The only thing I give even half a gak about is a Smaug model, and I doubt GW will even make one to be perfectly honest. If they did it would no doubt be the most expensive model they ever produced this side of Forge World.

**Absolutionis**

If they release it in January, The Hobbit stuff would move even slower. Hobbit stuff would rot away if they missed the timing. Tyranids have no timing and have no "hot" time. They just sell because they're in 40k.

I've waited this long for Tyranids. I can wait longer.

**Sidstyler**

Well yeah, it makes sense to release it the same month as the film, I'm just saying that I don't think it makes a difference either way because there are too many other reasons why people don't want Hobbit models.

**Brother SRM**

aliusexalio wrote:
Anyone know what the parting shot in the WD of November was about? ("Why should I fear the daemon, he has no power over me")

Parting shots mean literally nothing. They pertain to nothing at all, and never have in the entire run of the new White Dwarf. They are a cool picture, that is all.

Also, Photobucket is gak for hosting images. Images have limited bandwidth there, and you need an account. Upload to Imageshack or imgur, no account necessary, and no bandwidth problems. They can still be taken down by GW legal or what have you, but there's no account tying you to it.

**djones520**

Absolutionis wrote:
If they release it in January, The Hobbit stuff would move even slower. Hobbit stuff would rot away if they missed the timing. Tyranids have no timing and have no "hot" time. They just sell because they're in 40k.

I've waited this long for Tyranids. I can wait longer.

Who the hell is going to know about the Hobbit stuff other then us current players though? GW does not advertise, so they won't get anything off of the movie push. The only people who will know about it, is the players who already buy from them, and we weren't buying the product in the first place.

**H.B.M.C.**

Sidstyler wrote:
Yeah..."hot". Hobbit models didn't exactly fly off shelves when they debuted last year and I doubt that'll change this year. Prices are way too off-putting for that, combined with some goofy-looking sculpts.

Still, you don't just give up. Releasing around the same time as the movie is out is still the best time to do it.

djones520 wrote:
Who the hell is going to know about the Hobbit stuff other then us current players though? GW does not advertise, so they won't get anything off of the movie push. The only people who will know about it, is the players who already buy from them, and we weren't buying the product in the first place.

That's a separate issue, and one that GW's only ever been good at once (when they had a tie-in magazine sold in News Agents).

**Troike**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Inquisition also has a “codex”. I don't think it qualifies as an actual army when it doesn't even have Troop choices !

Oh hush, you. We may only have one troop choice, but do you see the Inquisition going around with all of the force org slots filled? Nah. We also had our own slot in the allies matrix back when all we had was that OOP WD codex. We're as "real" as any other army. Really, insinuating that we are "not an actual army" is a bit much, really.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Troike wrote:
We're as "real" as any other army. Really, insinuating that we are "not an actual army" is a bit much, really.

Well, considering we have not even been moved to finecast, have not been translated, have not gotten any physical release, received no mention in Apocalypse,…
Even if we are a “real” army, we are clearly one level below the “normal” armies.

**Herzlos**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sidstyler wrote:
Yeah..."hot". Hobbit models didn't exactly fly off shelves when they debuted last year and I doubt that'll change this year. Prices are way too off-putting for that, combined with some goofy-looking sculpts.

Still, you don't just give up. Releasing around the same time as the movie is out is still the best time to do it

They may also have been told to. In any case, releasing around the same time as the movie is the best idea whether they have any advertisement or not.

And in December, with the Holiday shopping, they'll get sales anyway, so it makes sense to have Tyranids prop up January sales.

**Troike**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Well, considering we have not even been moved to finecast

Nobody is getting moved there anymore, though. At least not in 40K.

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
have not been translated

Neither were any other digital editions, to be fair.

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
have not gotten any physical release

Cruddace said that we would probably get one if the digital codex sold well. And, as I showed you, it did.

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
received no mention in Apocalypse,…

Well, probably because we didn't get any formations, likely because of the all-metal thing, the or OOP codex thing. We got some in the AS codex.

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Even if we are a “real” army, we are clearly one level below the “normal” armies.

Perhaps, but we're still a real army. We have a codex, and a slot on the allies table. To suggest that a lack of attention from GW makes us less real is incorrect.

**brassangel**

Sidstyler wrote:Well yeah, it makes sense to release it the same month as the film, I'm just saying that I don't think it makes a difference either way because there are too many other reasons why people don't want Hobbit models.

It does make a difference, because the only chance The Hobbit stuff has to sell is right next to the movie. Tyranids will sell the same no matter what month.

I've literally met ZERO people, parents included, who have purchased miniatures as a Christmas present for someone else. There's also not much of a sales trend in this hobby with relation to the holiday, so it really doesn't matter when Tyranids are released.

It is critical for The Hobbit stuff to come alongside the movie, however, or else it won't move a thing. It just so happens the movie is in December.

Who the hell is going to know about the Hobbit stuff other then us current players though? GW does not advertise, so they won't get anything off of the movie push. The only people who will know about it, is the players who already buy from them, and we weren't buying the product in the first place.

GW is aware of that, but again, it stands the best chance of selling alongside the movie. GW is going to put no effort into The Hobbit outside of that window. They are likely under contractual obligation to do so anyway. They probably can't wait for the films to be done so they can't stop worrying about it and get back to the important games.

**Kroothawk**

Preorders are now up.

Fantasy:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCatsLarge.jsp?catId=cat440004a&rootCatGameStyle=wh
Sigmar's Blood

Sigmar's Blood Limited Edition:

40k:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCatsLarge.jsp?catId=cat440160a&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k

The Hobbit:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCatsLarge.jsp?catId=cat970003a&rootCatGameStyle=athletic

See all other Hobbit pics in the Hobbit thread:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/561594.page

**fishy bob**

The Mirkwood Rangers are dead cool, but the prices are the lulz

**Azreal13**

While I will of course be ordering them from a discounter, I have nothing but good things to say about the two new 40K books.

They're not ludicrously out of whack price wise, they both establish some interesting new ideas to shake up the game (I've been finding things a bit stale recently, so timely for me too)

Will get Escalation in the near future, SA can wait a bit, as neither of my armies are really made to favour Siege styles, but certainly see me getting both.

**Kroothawk**

Not sure if serious.
50c per page with most of them just a reprint or slight modification of existing rules plus some added WD pics is not what I call a good deal.

**pretre**

Kind of early to be asserting exactly what's in it, isn't it?

**Kanluwen**

pretre wrote:
Kind of early to be asserting exactly what's in it, isn't it?

It's Kroothawk.

**pretre**

Kanluwen wrote:
pretre wrote:
Kind of early to be asserting exactly what's in it, isn't it?

It's Kroothawk.

Yeah, I was largely making the statement for the audience who might not take your statement as self-evident.

**H.B.M.C.**

brassangel wrote:
I've literally met ZERO people, parents included, who have purchased miniatures as a Christmas present for someone else.

Anecdotal evidence isn't.