Serious discussion on Emperor rules

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**GoingtoHell**

ThePrimordial wrote:
BaconUprising wrote:
ThePrimordial wrote:
BaconUprising wrote:
ThePrimordial wrote:
How is this thread not dead yet?
Pretty much everyone at 3 of the FLGS I frequent, said that the Emperor should stay in Legend and I agree wholeheartedly at this point.

This thread is not dead yet as there is still an ongoing debate. The fact that you are no longer participating and have resigned yourself to a conclusion does not mean that others should immediately cease.

Ever consider the two statements were separate?
Being nice can't be this hard.

No as they are entirely connected to one another. You have come to a conclusion and thus have stated the thread should have died by now. Essentially you are saying because I have had a discussion somewhere else with somebody else about this subject and reached a conclusion, this thread should have ended by now. They may have been stated separately but they still link together in exactly the same way...

Wait......you're attempting to tell me what MY intention was with two unconnected statements?
I was simply giving my newfound thinking on the matter. Nothing more, and nothing less.

How exactly were you giving new found thinking on the matter when your two statements were: "how is this thread not dead yet" and "I think the Emperor should be confined to fluff" a viewpoint that has been consistently put forward in this discussion. You weren't.

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Crimson wrote:
BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Because said Ork, Urlakk Urg, was beaten by Horus (Who is weaker in combat than the Emperor for the reasons stated in my previous post, not to mention him being younger and less experienced at this point) and yet this unnamed Ork managed to best, but not kill thanks to the intervention of Horus, the Emperor.

Are you seeing the pattern now?

Or, to simplify.

Young Horus < Old Horus

Emperor > Old Horus

Urlakk Urg < Young Horus

Unnamed Ork > Emperor

Ergo

Unnamed Ork > Urlakk Urg

Which is why Urlakk is so relevant, because we knew he was super-duperbig and powerful, though likely not Soul Grinder big, and unnamed Ork was even more powerful.

None of this makes any sense. That person A managed to best person B in combat is not proof that person A is more powerful. I have had terminators killed by gretchin; that doesn't mean grots are more powerful than marines in TDA. It is quite possible that chaos-fuelled Horus was quite a bit more powerful than the Emperor; Emperor practically died too and it took all his strength and an armour broken by Sanguinius to defeat Horus.

Quite.

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**Ashiraya**

Crimson wrote:
BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Because said Ork, Urlakk Urg, was beaten by Horus (Who is weaker in combat than the Emperor for the reasons stated in my previous post, not to mention him being younger and less experienced at this point) and yet this unnamed Ork managed to best, but not kill thanks to the intervention of Horus, the Emperor.

Are you seeing the pattern now?

Or, to simplify.

Young Horus < Old Horus

Emperor > Old Horus

Urlakk Urg < Young Horus

Unnamed Ork > Emperor

Ergo

Unnamed Ork > Urlakk Urg

Which is why Urlakk is so relevant, because we knew he was super-duperbig and powerful, though likely not Soul Grinder big, and unnamed Ork was even more powerful.

None of this makes any sense. That person A managed to best person B in combat is not proof that person A is more powerful. I have had terminators killed by gretchin; that doesn't mean grots are more powerful than marines in TDA. It is quite possible that chaos-fuelled Horus was quite a bit more powerful than the Emperor; Emperor practically died too and it took all his strength and an armour broken by Sanguinius to defeat Horus.

To be fair, while I won't go out to disagree with you, what you're saying only reinforces my suspicion that the discussion here is done. After all, what you're saying is only really that the outcome of the fights is not something we can judge their power from.

In my meaning, it changes nothing. We are still at the 'agree-to-disagree' stage here.