jifel wrote:
Good luck jy2! I'm assuming you'll be bringing your dreaded WraithCrons?

Naw wrote:
What happened in Jy2's test games? No updates at all.

 L0rdF1end wrote:

 jy2 wrote:
I'm just happy that, despite how "subpar" the community may think of Tyranids, people are not discouraged to take out their bugs to a major gaming event. That really is the main point of this thread - to let people know that Tyranids aren't as bad as most people think and to encourage people to give the bugs a chance in competitive play.

I consider the "success" of bugs at Adepticon not in how high they placed, but rather, by how many people were willing to run them at such a large tournament.

I'd consider it a success if you were doing well with the bugs Jy2 and actually took them to Adepticon.
No offence dude but the fact that you didn't take Nids says a lot.
I'm pretty sure if you wanted to take them you would of insured to have them ready for the event.

notbriang wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
In all this time I only had to deal with a Land Raider once, and it died to 4 tentaclids lol.

I've been having a lot of trouble with my Crone and I'm starting to doubt it's value as a unit. As far as I've been playing it, it's a 24" move from the board edge on arrival, T5 Sv4+ FMC with a Grounding check. All of the games in my FLGS have ADLs with Quad Guns, and it seems like every. single. time. I move my Crone on the table from reserves, it hits the table, snags it's wounds from a Vector Strike, then dies at the end of movement. Three times in as many games against Aegis Defense Lines (no I'm not kidding), the Quad Gun has hit with everything, wounded with everything (thanks T5 *eyeroll*) and I've subsequently failed the Grounding check and it's dead and off table. 155 points for a maximum of 4 unsavable Wounds is just not worthwhile as it stands with *one* Crone.

So I'm debating including multiples, which is why I'm coming to this thread to seek outside advice, clues, maybe some things I haven't thought of yet.

For instance, last night - 1850 game versus Salamanders. List was Hive Tyrant, Tervigon (HQ), 3 Venomthrope, Tervigon(troop), 30 Termagant, 2 units of 3 Warriors with Stranglers, Crone (w/Stinger Salvo, always Stinger Salvo, it's SO good on a Crone), 3 Biovore, Exocrine, Mawloc, ADL w/Comms Relay.

Situation was - Crone came on from reserves turn 2. Decimated Melta marines who were on my left flank threatening my HQ Tervigon. Interceptor fire hits 4 times, Wounds 4 times. I roll a one on my grounding test.

Sorry about the wall of text here. This is just really frustrating the crap out of me and I'm looking for a solution.

 PrinceRaven wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Smashing MCs in melee are typically enough to deal with AV14. Typically.

The problem is when that high AV is also attached to a strength D Chainsword (granted, Knight are 13/12/12, not 14/14/14)

Eldercaveman wrote:
So I'm thinking of running this lost for Lolz at a local club tournament ran over 5 weeks. It's not a super competitive group of players so I think it willbe interesting to see what it can do.

Primary Detachment

Tyranid Prime
Deathspitter, Lash Whip and Bonesword.

10 x Termagants
10 x Termagants

Skyblight Formation

Flyrant, 2 x Twin Linked Devourers
Hive Crone
Harpy
Harpy
15 x Gargoyles
15 x Gargoyles
15 x Gargoyles

Subterranean Swarm

Trygon Prime
Trygon
Mawloc
3 x Ravenors Rending Claws
3 x Ravenors Rending Claws
3 x Ravenors Rending Claws

2000 points.

Eldercaveman wrote:

Spoiler:

 jy2 wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
So I'm thinking of running this lost for Lolz at a local club tournament ran over 5 weeks. It's not a super competitive group of players so I think it willbe interesting to see what it can do.

Primary Detachment

Tyranid Prime
Deathspitter, Lash Whip and Bonesword.

10 x Termagants
10 x Termagants

Skyblight Formation

Flyrant, 2 x Twin Linked Devourers
Hive Crone
Harpy
Harpy
15 x Gargoyles
15 x Gargoyles
15 x Gargoyles

Subterranean Swarm

Trygon Prime
Trygon
Mawloc
3 x Ravenors Rending Claws
3 x Ravenors Rending Claws
3 x Ravenors Rending Claws

2000 points.

If your local meta is only casual, I wouldn't even run the Skyblight Formation. It'll smash most casual lists. It'll be akin to taking the seer council, beaststar, ovesa-star or Necron wraithwing flyer-spam to a casual event.

It's one if them things where the club is meant to be a casually veterans club where everything gets a long and nobody brings cheese, but some of the lists coming out already are just stupid, because we have a few people who just believe what the internet says, so they are all writing me off for bringing Nids. So I want to give them A) a list that is completely left wing and B) still pretty nasty.


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What I might do is shave some points and swap the Prime for Deathleaper.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Ran skyblight swarm tonight at 1500. 2 flyrants, 2 crones, 2 harpies, 3x10 gargoyles, a venomthrope, 1 warrior brood and 10 termagants. My opponent was using a scaled down flying circus list copied from the adepticon winner - fate weaver, 2 tzeench princes, pink horrors, daemonettes, csm sorc, 10x cultists and a heldrake.

It was barely a contest. While her DPs seemingly were infallible with their armor saves in the first couple of turns. The rest of the pieces of the army fell to templates, blast markers, and vector strikes. By game turn 5 all that was left was a single daemon prince while all I had lost was a harpy the venomthrope and a warrior. The gargoyles that died (2 broods) both came back.

Jy2 had it right - there's nothing "casual" about skyblight tyranids.

Mad.. wrote:
Hi all,

I have read this thread from start to finish and there is some awesome info and thoughts in here.

I have a question to those that are running MCs with a HVC or STC, have any of you tried running either of these with the Miasma Cannon? It is a way of making the old school gun beast that could fire both a Venom cannon and a Barbed strangler at the same time (older edition).

I know the 2x TL devourers are the king of load outs currently, but is there a place for a Miasma Cannon/HVC or STC wielding BS4 tyrant?

 captnobvious wrote:

tetrisphreak wrote:Ran skyblight swarm tonight at 1500. 2 flyrants, 2 crones, 2 harpies, 3x10 gargoyles, a venomthrope, 1 warrior brood and 10 termagants. My opponent was using a scaled down flying circus list copied from the adepticon winner - fate weaver, 2 tzeench princes, pink horrors, daemonettes, csm sorc, 10x cultists and a heldrake.

It was barely a contest. While her DPs seemingly were infallible with their armor saves in the first couple of turns. The rest of the pieces of the army fell to templates, blast markers, and vector strikes. By game turn 5 all that was left was a single daemon prince while all I had lost was a harpy the venomthrope and a warrior. The gargoyles that died (2 broods) both came back.

Jy2 had it right - there's nothing "casual" about skyblight tyranids.

Yay for the bugs! Personally, I would have like to have seen a second crone over the second harpy, but that's just because of my meta. So many flying croissants. Gargoyles as recurring troops is fantastic.

 Kain wrote:
I've come to the conclusion that a properly run Mechanized Dark Eldar (especially a Venom heavy one) list is just not possible for a Tyranid list to beat without hard-core list tailoring/dumb luck. Especially since their fliers are so murderous to anything with a toughness value; easily blasting skyblights out of the sky. But honestly, even with BRB powers back they'd still hack us apart like they always have since they got their latest book. Our poor range for shooting makes that range reducing bit of war gear especially brutal, while their speed makes catching them in assault next to impossible and they have the dakka to cut down hordes and the kit to gun down MCs. And even if you do catch them in assault; Dark Eldar units tend to be quite nasty in chopping distance.

Grey Knights are also a brutal match-up. While the loss of BRB powers pending a FAQ has killed off most psychic choir lists (which were the ones that the Grey Knights really screwed over), it turns out that being an army tailored against daemons also makes them very good against us as we're also an army with generally poor saves and AP/short ranged shooting, a mix of fragile cheap units and monstrous creatures, and a lot of psykers.

I'd avoid assaulting Dreadknights with any monstrous creature as they'll probably survive to punch back and instant death it, while their flamers are also nasty to hordes. Tie these up with cheap, fearless cannon fodder, but don't think you can ignore them, they're good against anything in the army. Storm ravens are a pain to bring down, and always try to get the guy with the nemesis thunder hammer out of the squad before assaulting them with a monstrous creature unless you want to watch your Trygon explode with the first hit.

Overall all our problems with these two armies remain from the last book and they remain abysmal match-ups. If their lists are tailored to kill Tyranids (not even your list, just tyranids in general), you may as well not play.

 L0rdF1end wrote:

I don't think there's a defined top tier list yet although we seem to be potentially getting close to a "NID top tier list".

It really is a matter of testing and what works for you might not work for someone else's play style or in someone else's meta.

Naw wrote:

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, it might not be pure RAW, but most of the larger tournaments, including the LVO, BAO, Adepticon and Nova have or will have it in the FAQ's that yes, you can charge a walker that you can't hurt.

Quite amusing that they are not slowed by terrain, but can be stopped by critters who can't hurt them. The logic?

 Kain wrote:

The problem is that the wife's dark eldar usually come with fliers whenever she knows I'm going to be taking FMCs. More than enough shots to ground or kill anything that flies with a wound count. They're extremely brutal.

Without House rules and homebrews, it becomes a game of chicken. If my flyrants and crones can come in last, I can get air superiority. If her planes come in last, I'm gonna get butchered.

As for the GKs, newer lists are mostly focused on Henchmen, Stormravens, DKs, and whatever from elites they think is cool. The Vindicaire rarely shows up against Tyranids as we don't have any particularly stand out wargear to snipe out nor vehicles to crack, but the others can be quite unpleasant.

Common henchmen I face or field are Jokaero to provide long-ranged fire, and Crusaders to tarpit enemies. Acolytes are for when they wish to spend as little points on troops as possible.

 L0rdF1end wrote:
So what do we think the ideal loadout is for the Skyblight formation?
To make best use for this and ensure a killpoint game doesn't screw you surely the best bet is to max out the Gargoyles?

To those who have tried it what has been working, what have you been accompanying the Skyblight formations with? It seems fairly obvious to include 3 Flyrants.

 Kain wrote:

 L0rdF1end wrote:
So what do we think the ideal loadout is for the Skyblight formation?
To make best use for this and ensure a killpoint game doesn't screw you surely the best bet is to max out the Gargoyles?

To those who have tried it what has been working, what have you been accompanying the Skyblight formations with? It seems fairly obvious to include 3 Flyrants.

For when I want maximum flying circus, I do indeed go for even more added Flyrants while spending as little on anything else as possible; maybe throw in some crones too.

For my "skyfall" lists (maximum fliers) I first see about getting in as many skyblights as possible to maximize the FMCs, then see about biggening or tooling out the gargoyle broods.

For Apoc, I had a cool idea for a list I call the "Screaming Eclipse" that I turned into a homebrew formation later.

1-3 Harridans.

3-6 Flying Hive tyrants

6-12 Harpies

3-6 Crones

3-6 Shrike broods

9-18 Gargoyle broods

9-18 Skyslasher broods.

Now obviously out of Homebrew you'd want to leave the Skyslashers behind as they're terrible. The Harpies, Flyrants, and Gargs you can run in skyblight swarms, while the shrikes and slashers are for flavor.

Feel free to use Apocalypse formations involving our winged creations.

Now I will say that model spam Tyranid vs model spam Ork games are incredibly fun.

 jasper76 wrote:
If I could interject a question, are these formations part of the Tyranid codex, or are they apocalypse formations?

notbriang wrote:

tag8833 wrote:

 PrinceRaven wrote:
You ran Old One Eye and a Prime in the same list?

I've been having some trouble blowing people out with my 'nids. Locals were starting to talk about 'nids as O.P. on the same level as Tau. I'm trying to underpower my list.

I don't even understand this statement. What list are you running that people are complaining Nidz are on the same Tier as Tau?

 captnobvious wrote:


Real talk though, that's awesome. I can't get the Mrs. [aka Boss Funnpartz] to quite delve into an army yet. As it stands I might have her convinced to take up a brush. I tend to collect random mini's that I think are particularly well sculpted/look cool, even if they don't fit into an army (Maugen-Ra, Chaos Terminators, Drazhar, etc.) I'll have her paint on those. In the end, if nothing else, I'll make it like like that test they give to the Dahli Lama, where he picks an item from a selection and if he picks the right one, he wins! Same thing, except she can pick a favorite model and play that army. Well, it's similar anyway.
Sorta.

Anywho. To change the subject. How much "plays as" is too much? If I've got a board of Armorcast Exocrines "plays as" T-fex, 2nd edition Tyrants "plays as" Tyranid Primes, and 3 different models of Lictor? Is that too convoluted for Tourney play? I know in casual no one cares.

badula wrote:
A friend of mine told me that you can't hit with a crone if you go out of table in that turn since at the end of the movement phase your creature isn't there! (he uses heldrakes so it's not to hind me)

is him right?

omerakk wrote:
Going to a 2000pt, no double force org, no fortifications tourney this weekend. They aren't allowing formations in this one, but plan to in the future. I'm expecting an uphill fight all day.
Here's what I'm planning on running:

Dakka Flyrant with Hive Commander
Dakka Flyrant

Venomthrope
Venomthrope
Zoanthrope

15 Hormagaunts with adrenal glands
15 Hormagaunts with adrenal glands
30 Termagaunts with 20 spinefists and 10 devourers
Tervigon
3 warriors with a barbed strangler
3 warriors with a barbed strangler

Hive Crone

Exocrine
Carnifex with stranglethorn cannon
Carnifex with stranglethorn cannon

76 models
15 units
6 troops
7 MCs; 3 of them flyers
4 pyskers
4 pinning weapons

Not sure how I feel about it, but I didn't have all of my models built yet and had to improvise. I think it has potential.

 Commander_Farsight wrote:
I had a game against Skyblight today. I got so screwed over, it wasn't even funny. I was running triptide Tau. Yes its a bit of a rude (substituting that for what I would normally say) move, but still it wasnt funny how it ended. Long story short, I killed all of his FMCs, it was looking very good for me by turn 3, I still had all three tides, and he had no more FMC, yada yada yada. But come turn four, one of my Riptides went down. Ok, I still have 2 more. Here is where it went wrong on turn 4. My opponent was taking 30 gargoyles. This made his Tervigon scoring. So I have bad target priority and go for his gargoyles because they are near the relic. I make the mistake of killing them. They go back into ongoing reserves, come back onto the Relic via DS. Come my turn 5 I kill them again. But I soon realize that the Tervigon is scoring! He moves and runs it onto the relic. SH*T! with this it is 4-3 him. I have First Blood, Warlord, and Line Breaker. He has Warlord.

As it stands now, on a 3+ the game will continue, I will be able to kill the Tervigon with my two remaining Riptides, and my Kroot would be able to reach the relic (not that it would really matter because my opponent would be tabled anyway). So I need the game to continue. My opponent rolls his bright green Nurgle dice and...

Spoiler:

Its a fething 2!!! My defeat was so horrible based on how the game was mine the whole time. So why am I posting this? I just wanted to share my experience playing against Nids and specifically Skyblight with my Tau. I made the mistake of not going for his troops when I needed to and focused a little too much on his last Harpie when it would not have done much. I was wondering of what you guys thought of this in general. Also, is there a rule that the person who goes second rolls to see if the game ends on turn 5, and then the first player on 6? It just came up in the FLGS just because of course after he rolls his 2, I roll my dice for fun, oh and of course that was a 3!!!

Thanks you guys for listening to my little batrep in a nutshell (or paragraph in this case), and let me know what you think!

 ductvader wrote:
So let's discuss these.

1. 4ed consolidate in to combat is in
2. If you fail to cast a power you can't cast it the rest of the game
3. Every unit including vehicles will now score
4. Unbound armies may not contest objectives
5. Lords of war are in
6. Escalation and stronghold remain as they are now
7. Vehicles will be harder to kill the chart changes once more.
8. The book will come out in 3 options Art like warhammer visions, Fluff book, and one that only contains rules and that one is about as think as the current SM book.
9.difficult terrain is just -2 inches
10. Wound allocation has changed a bit.not super clear as to how.
11. D-weapons toned down but he was unclear as what that meant so from the sounds of it they will still be super ugly.

How do you see your army composition and tactics changing because of it?

Eldercaveman wrote:
^^that guy indeed!

Anyone else still finding after all this time our codex isn't getting the respect it deserves from our opponents.... Untill after the game?

bodazoka wrote:
Anyone got some tips v CSM? specifically the deamon prince? I am unsure of what the best unit's are for taking this guy out? it generally flies around the board rolling 5's and 6's for extra attacks and murdering all of my MC's with impunity!

My current Idea is going second (hopefully) and reserving everything squishy whilst flying around the board myself killing his troops and just dogging the Deamon?

luke1705 wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
Does Shadow in the Warp effect stubborn units, I know this is a big of a YMDC question but this thread has become such an almgamation of different sub forums, one more can't hurt...

Interesting question. I'm not really sure where the debate is coming from. The rulebook states that stubborn units ignore any penalties to their leadership for the purposes of morale and pinning. That being said, it appears that the penalty still exists even for them when attempting to manifest psychic powers or taking leadership tests that are not specifically morale checks, as the rules clarify that morale checks are a specific subset of leadership checks, so if a model is stubborn, they don't care about morale but that doesn't mean that they don't care about their leadership.

So, in short, they are affected, but at certain points they are able to override the effects and just not care (resolving combat, pinning).

Even fearless models appear to be affected by Shadow in the Warp. It also makes sense thematically. It doesn't matter if you're afraid or a stone-faced Psyker. If your connection to the warp gets messed with by the Hive Mind, who knows what might happen? THE PERILS!

 foto69man wrote:
So.................new to the Hive mind and loving it. Used an Endless Swarm formation to great effect and fear tactics today ;-)

On another note, I like doing fun/interesting/unexpected things...Looking in IA4: The Anphelion Project I see the entries for Brood Nests, Spore Chimneys, and Capillary towers...but only points costs for the Brood Nests. IA Apocalypse Second Edition has a Spore Chimney Infestation Formation...and says 25 + Models...and refers back to the IA4 book. Can anyone close the loop for me and point me to the Book/Page number for the points costs?

I greatly appreciate it! And JY2, although you play with robots...I still like you for your Bugs.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
Ok, some feedback from the tournament last week....

Results 2 wins, 1 loss.

Spoiler:

The wins were against a Sisters list that failed to bring anti-air and the same Space Marine player from the previous week. Again, both were near enough tabled.

Now the loss...the loss was painful. It was against a White Scars Bikestar list complete with allied Space Wolves.

Things to note - the Bikestar is annoying. It is the bane of 'nids. Nothing like a 2+ EW FNP T5 chapter master to drive you up the wall. Add to the the rudeness of a bike mounted, 2+ save divination Rune Priest who just so happened to get the power that allowed him to reroll armour saves.....

Ugh. I just simply could not dent that. I couldn't risk Carnifexes going in due to Khan being there as well and even the Tyrants were hard pressed to impact it. I will also note that this was the only game that I did not get first turn or Seize and that he got some luck right off the bat with an Orbital Barrage writing off one Crone straight off the line. Seriously, the sodding thing just hit the crone. If it had scattered a few inches more the Crone would have lived and the Tyrant that was hit would not have cared.

Also, the Rune Staff with its ability to straight up block psychic powers on a 4+ regardless of what they actually are? Yeaaaah, not a good match up. I get the feeling that if he had NOT rolled that one psychic power up it would have gone differently as well - the fact he could simply negate the vast majority of my firepower through rerolling saves AND then getting FNP....

Well, that was rude.

Things I learned from that....

How long before Space Wolves get looked at and get those shenanigans taken away? Seriously, 80% of that was the damn Rune Priest on his own - rerolling saves and negating a large amount of Dominions, Catalysts and Onslaughts through a 4+ is what caused the problem.

Eldercaveman wrote:
One army I've yet to see much talk about is Iyanden Eldar? Has anyone had much experience against that, how do we fair against WraithGuard/Blades/Lords/Knights?

Eldercaveman wrote:
I think if you want to work out what is likely out of there just look towards Fantasy.

Number 3 on that list for example there is a similar effect on the equivalent fantasy table for irresistible force. So I can imagine it will be a similar effect on the perils table. Something like the Psyker loses 1 mastery level and forgets the power.

 ductvader wrote:
I personally have no problem with Eldar...I find that they don't have enough dakka to take down an MC based list.

omerakk wrote:

And that begs the question: "Will Skyblight still be worth taking?"

The main strength of it was the objective secured gargoyles. If everything else in your army has that....
Does having the possibility to respawn the gargoyles still make the formation a powerhouse?

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Battle Anecdote time!

Last night i played 1500 points vs a Loganwing list.

Spoiler:

He had
Logan
2x10 Wolf guard with TDA, 2x combi-meltas, cyclone
One of the Wolf Guard was Arjac Rockfist
1x6 long fangs with 5x Missile Launchers, and a flamer on the sarge
Vindicator w/ Siege Shield

I had showed up with my "Bugs in a Box" list that consisted of:

Swarmlord w/ 1x Tyrant Guard
13x Genestealers
7x Genestealers
3x Hive Guard
1x Zoanthrope
2x1 Biovores
Endless Swarm:
3x Warriors - deathspitters
2x10 Termagants - fleshborers
1x10 Termagants - devourers
2x10 Hormagaunts- Toxin Sacs
1x10 Hormagaunts - no upgrades
Bastion - Ammo Store, Escape Hatch

So at the beginning of the fight I felt pretty confident as I had 9 scoring units compared to his 2. Then we rolled the mission - 2...Purge the Alien! Suddenly it went from an easy match up to i needed to table this guy to win. I placed my bastion midfield, about 1" from the center line, and he won the roll to go first.

Quick note - i rolled Paroxysm on both my Zoey and Swarmy - this was key throughout the battle. As was Psychic Scream, which i'll get to near the end.

Turn 1 - Due to night fight, he only managed to kill a handful of hormagaunts from 2 of the 3 broods. His vindicator took a shot at the bastion but didn't penetrate (lucky me). My turn, i managed to get paroxysm off on both his units of wolf guard, making them WS3. The genestealer brood of 13 bailed out of the bastion, about 8" from his wolf guard and 4" from the vindicator. Warp Lance from Swarmlord failed to destroy the vindicator, so i went after it (with furious charge from swarmy) with the genestealers. 40 attacks later, it was a wreck but my brood was tightly clumped. Biovores killed maybe 1 long fang.

Turn 2 - His wolf guard with logan attached kill 9 genestealers from the large brood (the smaller brood of 7 was hiding behind some BLOS terrain). However, the 4 remaining ones were behind the vindicator husk and prevented his charge. The other unit of wolf guard finished off a hormagaunt brood, with arjac's hammer doing the final wound. Very cinematic. That brood would not return via endless swarm. The long fangs threw out some frag missiles and killed a few termagants, and that was about it.

My turn 2 was when the hammer needed to fall. I paroxysm'd logan's unit to WS2, and ignored the other unit for now. I moved 2 hormagaunt units, a warrior brood (they had gotten into the bastion via the escape hatch after the genestealers bailed out turn 1, and disembarked this turn netting them +18" movement over 2 turns) and both genestealer broods into postion to assault logan's unit. He had a heavy flamer within, so i declared charge first with my naked hormagaunts - he opted not to overwatch, and i then proceeded to fail my charge. Damn you random charge lengths! He did overwatch the second hormagaunt brood but only killed 3, and they made it into CC. The genestealer units both made base contact, as did the 3 warriors.

For brevity's sake i'll fast-forward here - this multiple-melee lasted for the entire rest of the game. Thanks to paroxysm he took apart the tiny units very slowly as the genestealer's rending claws picked at his wolf guard bit by bit.

By turn 5, swarmlord was ready to join the battle and finish off the other wolf guard unit. He cast "psychic scream" and it successfully passed - i then rolled 6, 6 on Logan grimnar (who was alone by this time) and he failed his invulnerable saves - BAHAHAHA. Swarmlord charged and challenged Arjac to deadly battle - sadly, his storm shield held for a turn and he put 2 wounds on swarmy. Then, on turn 6 he and swarmlord Double-KO'ed each other in a very cinematic finish. The rest of the wolf guard and long fangs had been systematically picked apart by weight of dice forcing saves, so my opponent ended the game with no models left.

Tyranid Victory!

I don't always run a swarm army, but i do think it's very fitting to have Swarmlord in charge when i do.

bodazoka wrote:
So no more grounding test v every time you get hit.. I am a happy man!

 PrinceRaven wrote:
Tyranids? Troops? Dominating?

bodazoka wrote:

bodazoka wrote:
So no more grounding test v every time you get hit.. I am a happy man!

GW giveth and GW taketh away...

Apparently snap fire shots are at BS-2 now.

 SHUPPET wrote:
So "insanely powerful" that almost nobody ever took above the minimum amount per squad, and even then only because they unlocked Tervigon's as troops.

Balanced in 5th ed is what they almost were. Were in need of the points reduction they recieved. However, Tervigon nerf makes them pretty mediocre again.

Eldercaveman wrote:
Since we get a codex every edition, do you think we will get a 7th edition codex......


Also I have a feeling we may begin to feel the pain of not having purchasable mastery levels when the new psychic phase is revealed.

 SHUPPET wrote:

Now that you mention respawning scoring units, battleforged 2x Endless Swarm + Trygon tunnel or 2 might be quite stupid with the new changes. Just a bunch of respawning, scoring, incontestable troops, coming back to whereever you want them on the field, in a meta that I'm sure is going to be gak like 8 riptides or 6 wraithknights

just2fierce wrote:
why isn't there any love for stealers? Every article I can find on the new book just leaves them out.....

 jifel wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
IMO, Genestealers could be fixed with a good price cut. Price them similarly to Daemonettes -- probably their closest analogy in the game -- and I'd find a way to use them.

Daemonettes are basically stealers that trade S4 and T4 for S3, T3, a 5++ and +3" run. And deep strike. Basically, Stealers should be slightly more expensive than nettes, as in 1 or 2 more points. Honestly I think 11ppm would be perfect for them.

I am hoping that they'll be awesome again. For example, if you can consolidate into another unit, then 20 in a bastion up front would be rock solid.

Spoletta wrote:
These new psyker rules are a definite buff for zoans.

Is it just me or the fact that we fire 3 warp lances in a single cast isn't so bad now?

With the new rules of witchfire it's even possible in some cases to triple warplance something (with 4-5 dices only) and then nova with the remaining dices (or just throw curses and blessing around).

 L0rdF1end wrote:
Currently testing this:
I call it "SkyStorm".

Very early days with one game/win under its belt.
The concept was based around Spore Mines being ineffective when looked at as a singular but raining multiples from the Sky.. that could actually be decent.. Add this into Skyblight and that could be fairly solid.
Shame 6 of my Biovores were nuked in the only test game I've played so far first turn.
Won the game by killing all of his troops. Needs testing a plenty.


Flyrant Dual Devs 230
Flyrant Dual Devs 230
Flyrant Dual Devs 230

3 Warriors 90
3 Warriors 90

10 Gargoyles 60
10 Gargoyles 60
10 Gargoyles 60

Hive Crone 155
Harpy Venom Cannon 140
Harpy Venom Cannon 140

3 Biovore 120
3 Biovore 120
3 Biovore 120

omerakk wrote:
Who charges rhinos?

omerakk wrote:

You're going to have to if you don't bring enough shooting, especially since those rhinos are scoring and can't be contested except by other Objectives Secured troops.

I just can't remember the last time my shooting failed to tear open a cardboard armored rhino.

I can't see this being a real problem unless people switch back to 5th edition style armies with 6-10 rhinos.

Xyptc wrote:

One thought that strikes me about our use of psychic abilities is that we a) have lots of psykers, b) have Dominion on everything as a bonus and c) all but one of our (pretty decent) powers are only WC1, which reminds me of older versions of Vampire Counts in WHFB, which used to have a similar looking set of attributes, and were able to roll over their Magic phase by simply casting lots and lots of cheap powers with only 1 dice. Sure, half of them fail, but half of them succeed and you have loads of psychic powers to try. It is also completely risk free; you will never get a double six.

In your scenario above jy2, you listed two Tyrants, a Tervigon and a Zoanthrope. That's 11 psychic powers in total, with between 8 and 13 casting dice to play with. Start by trying to cast Dominion on everything with 1 dice each. One, maybe two successes and boosted Synapse range. That can be game changing in itself, and your opponent may be tempted to commit dice to stop you. Keep cyclic through cheap powers, and maybe save a three dice for something really important at the end (Paroxysm on a key target, Psychic Scream in the middle of their army, Onslaught for those Dakkafexes). We (and Daemons at least) can spam our way through the psychic phase to force our opponents to make tough choices about where to spend their Deny dice.



On Shadow in the Warp

SitW (currently) has no effect on our denial of enemy powers. We do (usually) bring a number of psykers, so we can still shut our enemy down the old fashioned way (sheer number of dice thrown at them) though. Plus, some of the Perils results are a whole lot worse if you fail a Leadership tests, so enemies that Perils within SitW range are a bit more likely to die outright (and given that we have a lot of dice to Deny with, they may be inclined to throw more dice than necessary, increasing their Perils chance).

I wonder what (if anything) the FAQ will do to SitW? +1 to Deny the Witch if within SitW range? I'd be happy with that.

 PrinceRaven wrote:
Yes, Hive Crones have just catapulted to one of the best units in the book.

 SHUPPET wrote:
Might not be the popular opinion, but I think I would trade all these FMC buffs to keep the ability to glide down from the air and assault in the same turn. It's something I did every game and really justified for me the fact that two Flyrants fill up to a third of my points. Now it feels like a lot of those points are going unused on that crazy high WS and number of attacks.

Same applies to me for Crone to me too, perhaps even more so. Gliding down, flaming and charging later on in a game feels like it was intended for the unit. Especially with the limited use missiles, and no torrent on the flamer. At least Flyrants have decent survivability and can still do all it's usual damage if it glides down a turn early (still don't know how plausible this is), the Crone however does not, and only has one, template-ranged gun left by the time you are looking to assault, and has to spend the turn not VS'ing just to pull off a charge.

I guess I'll have to see how the extra airborne FMC survivability plays out in a game. Grounding changes do a lot for us, and the mouth cannon being able to hit open topped helps balance the scales for us against some bad units to be matched up against (although I think DE is still an auto lose regardless). I haven't seen a copy of 7th yet, how does it work? Is every model inside hit with the template?

 TychoTerziev wrote:

I foolishly bought two Tyranid flyer kits before the new edition was out and now I am not sure what to build out of them. Are two Hive Crones still worth taking in a meta with few flyers? Vector Strike seems to be terribly nerfed.

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
The question is, is skyblight STILL the strongest build??

rigeld2 wrote:
Just saw that poison changed and now you need a higher STR to get rerolls rather than equal?

Eldercaveman wrote:
Zoans are going to be priceless for us as a cheap way of upping our total Mastery Level, what are people's thoughts about squad sizes, run them all singles units of 2....?

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
Will the gargoyles get objective secured even if you build an unbound list?