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Glad to see that you've found the solution to your problem that works for you. Find people to play against that you enjoy playing against. As someone else who's spent the last two years stuggling to make a pair of power armor assault armies work without sacrificing their soul, I definitely feel your pain.

But I'd ask that you have a little patience with the 15 year old. The obnoxious high school kid in the gaming store is the future of our hobby. If we don't welcome them into the wargaming community and steer them towards being the sort of gamers we want to see as the future of wargaming, they're either going to abandon wargaming which will leave it in a decline it can't recover from, or will change the culture into something you want nothing to do with.

A lot of us old guys who've been playing for 20+ years started as the middle school or high school kid in the gaming store. The old guys of that era were cool to us, and it kept us in wargaming. We owe it to them to pay that forward.

Yeah but we don't owe gak to these little brats who cackle like maniacs everytime their game is going well and cry about cheese everytime they are losing, and refuse to listen to competive logic and complain that armies like Tyranids and Dark Eldar are OP, while playing Tau because "they're the easiest to paint well" and quickly latching on to the fact that spamming Riptides makes up for a lack of playskill.

I don't know about you but I kept it respectful to my elders and tried to learn from my betters. Some deserve the time of day, some haven't earnt it. The price tag of this hobby unfortunately opens it up mostly to the spoiled obnoxious 15 year olds, unlike MTG where anyone can build a deck for $20 and improve from there.

This is an off-the-wall tangent but have you considered role-playing games like Dark Heresy or Black Crusade? That would get you your WH40K fix and you could still use your models (though fewer at once) and you'd be able to see them much more as characters and they would live much longer.

Just a thought.

 calamarialldayerrday wrote:


I have.

1x Chaos Lord
2x Cultists (10 members each)
1x Chosen Marines (6 members)
1x Possessed Marines (5 members)
1x Helbrute
1x Bike Squad (3 members)
1x Maulerfiend

1x Daemon Prince
2x Bloodletters (10 members each)

Waiting to be built I have...

1x Bloodthirster
1x Terminator Lord
1x Terminator Squad (5 members)
1x Chaos Marines (10 members)
1x Rhino
1x Warp Talons/Raptors (5 members, I haven't decided yet which to build)

I'm presuming you have the DV set here.

Ten man squads of Cultists is an absolute waste of points. If you want to run Cultists and Helbrutes, get the Helbrute dataslate. I run the Helcult dataslate with two squads of 35 cultists, one CCW and one autogun, and as they're fearless they won't run. If the Helbrute dies the CCW get Hatred.

The Chosen from DV are too expensive, but can be useful if you run them close to the CCW cultists.

Possessed marines are potentially the worst unit in the Chaos codex according to the internet, but I have no experience with them.

I can see how this list is dead by shooting phase 2.

 Peregrine wrote:

 calamarialldayerrday wrote:
I was hoping for more of a positive response.

Well then I guess you're just going to be disappointed. Hoping for a positive response doesn't mean that one exists. Would you prefer that we lie to you and tell you everything is going to be ok, so that you can play a few more disappointing games before you quit?

Dude! What the hell? Do you want this guy to quit so you can buy his toys or something?

Man, if you're getting tabled all the time you need to change it up a bit. Try a different army, ask one of the guys to trade lists with you and play against your own army. Try proxy and use a different army, see if maybe you have better luck with something fresh. 40k is a game of list building, so get good at that. The List forum here is a great place to theoryhammer new lists, and to get ideas. Also you do need to realize that 40k is a very unforgiving game and if you make a mistake 9 out of 10 opponents will crucify you for it. So don't feel bad at all if you lose! I had a friend who played 40k for like 5 years and never won a game with Chaos Marines, then he switched to Tau and now he's top dog. So, also realize that a lot of it is also army selection, and has nothing as much to do with skill or tactics as it does current edition and tier ranking.

Don't give up 40k just because some jerks on a less than welcoming website dedicated to a game ages 12 and up can't give you any real advice. Try going down to the shop and having a chat with the staff about it, they'll probably be more than happy to help you!

The problem is he has bad units to play a good chaos list , what other advice can there be given , considering that csm aren't a good army to begin with.

Now if he played lets say eldar and was losing over and over again , we could work something out . There are few weak units in the eldar codex and even a random collection can work ok , as long as someone didn't go wild with melee models that aren't seer star.

Also don't tell him to switch to tau , they took a huge hit in 7th. I doubt you want him to end up buying two armies that may not work.

I've no intention of buying a new army. I like my army, I've worked hard on them. Plus, I don't have the money to just go out and buy a new army. That's not how real life works.