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I am getting 7th edition but selling the rules, as I now still play 4th edition, and keeping the book about the fluff and art

 jasper76 wrote:

 cardboardcrackhead wrote:
I pre-ordered. I used to play MTG, but to stay competitive in standard, you were dropping 200 a year at a minimum to have one winning deck. That is if you bought singles, and didn't bother with collecting either. Or you could drop down into modern or legacy, paying 500+ for a deck that could be banned if it got too good. If you tried to collect and play, or have multiple decks to use, or build a EDH deck, the price starts skyrocketing. A new set comes out every three-4 months in MTG, and people are excited to see the new content, rather than QQing about having to pay money for their hobby. I got into 40k, because it is cheaper.

At my flgs, I'm always seeing people drop like 30-50 bucks on a single MtG card. I asked the "Magic guy" about it once, and he said players regularly spend that much on cards, only to turn around and trade them back in for like 10 bucks...seems more "crack-like" than 40k for sure!

Back when I had Yu-gi-oh cards (~8 years ago), I was still in Primary School, and even there people would be trading furiously for better cards.

Thinking about how that translates when you have money, 40k's not looking as bad as it used to.
Still bad, but it could be worse.

Big rule book:
US funds = $85
Can funds = $100
Australia = I dare not think about it...

 Talizvar wrote:
Big rule book:
US funds = $85
Can funds = $100
Australia = I dare not think about it...

$140...

Or £76.67...

I will eagerly read all about 7th edition, but I will hold off on buying the rules. Mainly because it sounds like they didn't really do anything to fix vehicles (destruction on a 7+ is nice, but it doesn't address the hull point issue)

What hull point issue?
It just makes hull point the main threat, with low-ap having a "treat" in terms of a small chance to auto-destroy.

Meaning-glancing down takes is going to be the main answer. not helping for an AV11 rhino, but what did you expect for 50 points? being unbrakeable?

lootas wrote:
I am getting 7th edition but selling the rules, as I now still play 4th edition, and keeping the book about the fluff and art

It is a pity you are in Singapore or I would buy the rulebook from you.

However there is probably someone in Singapore who will buy it.

A bit miffed that 6th was replaced so fast, but already pre-ordered the 7th Edition book. I spend hours and hours pouring over these books. I still look through my 5th and 6thd edition books all the time looking over the artwork and fluff. Good stuff.

Actually, I have come to a conclusion.
If there as a solo-rulebook, I'd get it.

Gonna buy the set, each book for a separate purpose.

Fluff book goes in the bathroom, picture book on the coffee table in the living room, rulebook goes in the gaming room.

 Xiorell wrote:
What's your reasons for not being bothered?

Because the books are roughly double the price in my country, so I have to wait for some reasonably priced copies to show up on Ebay.

 Xiorell wrote:
Who's choosing not to buy 7th Ed rules the weekend?
What's your reasons for not being bothered?

Havent seen any compelling reasons or rule fixes, clarifications that makes 7th of any intrest.


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 Selym wrote:

Davor wrote:
Unless we are getting good FAQs for our armies, and an FAQ for 6th edition to update it, then it looks like I will not be getting it. Yes I know, why would they give an FAQ update when new rules are coming out. From what I read, since I play Tyranids, Nids are already handicapped and it looks like 7th will just keep Nids handicapped while the "Imperial of Man" players get the "easy button" again. So why play a game when you are already at a disadvantage?

Just like a lot of other people said, why pay for something that we will not even get 2 years out of. Nobody plays around where I play now. So what is the use? Doesn't do me any good. Do I really need a hard cover of Visions when I don't even buy the soft cover version?

Unless 7th edition gets people to start playing 40K again, Dropzone Commander has my interest now. So I will just model with what I have and see if DV has the mini rule book and I may get it then. Also with a lot of people leaving looks like GW will just raise up the prices again to compensate for the people leaving again, so again no initiative to buy upcoming products are even more expensive prices.

The starter set rulebook will be incomplete. It contains only the rules for infantry.

It would need rules for the Hellbrute me Thinks

because I bought 6th only 2 years ago. oh and I loathe gargantuan, superheavies, and D strength in normal games. those all sound like super fun and balanced things.

 BoomWolf wrote:
What hull point issue?
It just makes hull point the main threat, with low-ap having a "treat" in terms of a small chance to auto-destroy.

Meaning-glancing down takes is going to be the main answer. not helping for an AV11 rhino, but what did you expect for 50 points? being unbrakeable?

Hull points are already a huge main threat. Vehicles are far more likely to be 'hull pointed out' long before a destroyed a result is rolled, so making destroyed results less likely is only a small increase in durability. I would prefer the chart to remain unchanged, but for hull points to be increased. This would make high strength low Ap weapons the primary tank killers, as opposed to mid strength mid AP weapons.

Nope, not buying it. I already memorized the rules changes and most don't apply to me directly. its a shame because i like the changes but i already sunk the money elsewhere.

I've been temporarily put off by GW recently...
I'll hold on to my minis until 8th comes out (assuming GW doesn't collapse before then), and I'll consider using that ruleset. Otherwise, once I'm done sulking, I'll just go back to 6E and alternate rulesets.

In the meantime, however, I'm thinking of getting a butt load of 6mm fantasy minis, making up my own fantasy universe, and from there construct a simple, yet fun, ruleset for those minis. Really, I only got into wargaming so that I could have some story-related fun, and watch armies beat the snot out of eachother.

 Selym wrote:
I've been temporarily put off by GW recently...
I'll hold on to my minis until 8th comes out (assuming GW doesn't collapse before then), and I'll consider using that ruleset. Otherwise, once I'm done sulking, I'll just go back to 6E and alternate rulesets.

In the meantime, however, I'm thinking of getting a butt load of 6mm fantasy minis, making up my own fantasy universe, and from there construct a simple, yet fun, ruleset for those minis. Really, I only got into wargaming so that I could have some story-related fun, and watch armies beat the snot out of eachother.

I'm still waiting for an Elder scrolls mini game that will never happen. :(

Not going to be playing anything as per GW's rules anymore unless I see something really impressive.

This Muto is retreating to it's cocoon of excruciatingly carefully crafted and tested homebrew and custom rules.

I had been PUMPED for 7th.... but then..... then the unthinkable happened. THEY TOOK my traitor IG allies from my CSM...... Jokes on you GW! Not only will i not be buying more IG units/ the codex but im also going to ebay the units i already have. So you lose on my sales and the sale from what ever sucker picks up my 2nd hand IG units.


srsly.... 2 year....

/rant off.

Sorry just super bummed

Won't be bothering to pick up a copy I'm not really a gamer but I always liked to have the rules so if I wanted to I could play. However due to the price, how soon it's come out and how some of the rules just seem to be a big middle finger to the fluff I wont be getting it. I'll continue to buy the models and make armies but I'm done when it comes to 40K as a game.

sirlotsofpain wrote:
I had been PUMPED for 7th.... but then..... then the unthinkable happened. THEY TOOK my traitor IG allies from my CSM...... Jokes on you GW! Not only will i not be buying more IG units/ the codex but im also going to ebay the units i already have. So you lose on my sales and the sale from what ever sucker picks up my 2nd hand IG units.


srsly.... 2 year....

/rant off.

Sorry just super bummed

Before you OD on anti-depressants, you should know that you can now take "Come the Apocalypse" allies. And they're still scoring. They just have to deploy 12" apart and have the "One eye open" special rule (same as Desperate Allies now).

Hard to believe, I know - and most of you probably have me on Ignore due to my ranting in previous threads - but I'm out as they are not even hiding the fact it's a cash grab.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Hard to believe, I know - and most of you probably have me on Ignore due to my ranting in previous threads - but I'm out as they are not even hiding the fact it's a cash grab.

That's probably the part I find most offensive about 7th. It's basically "buy all our stuff and throw it on the table!"
That and tossing the fluff into the trash bin. (Ultramarine's summoning demons. Feth that.)

 MWHistorian wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Hard to believe, I know - and most of you probably have me on Ignore due to my ranting in previous threads - but I'm out as they are not even hiding the fact it's a cash grab.

That's probably the part I find most offensive about 7th. It's basically "buy all our stuff and throw it on the table!"
That and tossing the fluff into the trash bin. (Ultramarine's summoning demons. Feth that.)

Heck, look at stuff like the Wood Elves being able to summon Citadel(™) Woods now, rather than just saying they summon woods.

I mean, the models sell themselves based on their quality, I don't think jamming that sort of car salesmanship down people's throats wins much support.

 Xiorell wrote:
Who's choosing not to buy 7th Ed rules the weekend?
What's your reasons for not being bothered?

Its take the family of 4 out for a movie, or buy this book. So. We dont see a movie for a week. meh. Ill get 2-4 games a week in if I buy it and zero if i dont.

i think the conclusion is clear.

I have the interactive edition of the 6th edition Codex. It has not been updated yet, but there's a rumor that happens for free.

If so, I suppose that means I get a copy. If not, I won't be buying it. I think I am just going to work on models until 8th comes out. I am interested in the changes to the rules, and will play some games. But I don't really think I want this new book.

This is for a couple reasons. First, most of the people at my FLGS who I consider close friends are swearing off 40k for the immediate future. We are thinking poker instead, it's just simpler and more social.

Second, the rules don't suit the game as much anymore. Basically, the new rules don't solve anything for assault armies, and that's not really that interesting for me. What they do do is create all this new stuff around fortifications and Lords of War. I don't care about balance, but now there are times playing 40k where it's like trying to play basketball with a baseball bat. Something's really not right about it, they should fix what's there before bringing in all this new stuff.

I guess that's a long way of saying I will buy books when it's reasonable to run Berzerkers again. *pfft*

 techsoldaten wrote:
I have the interactive edition of the 6th edition Codex. It has not been updated yet, but there's a rumor that happens for free.

It'll be a cold day in hell if that ever happens.

I'll wait for the reviews to come in, then I'll go back to playing WHFB.

 techsoldaten wrote:
I have the interactive edition of the 6th edition Codex. It has not been updated yet, but there's a rumor that happens for free.

GW giving out stuff for free?

Man am I in bizarro world or something?

 Kain wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:
I have the interactive edition of the 6th edition Codex. It has not been updated yet, but there's a rumor that happens for free.

GW giving out stuff for free?

Man am I in bizarro world or something?

Rumors, man, They can't all be right.

The other thing GW does is give us stuff we can't use. Either way, it's part of their MO.