ninjafiredragon wrote:Something interesting came up at the
GT I just attended, brought eldar for some weird daemon summoning craziness. In my 4th game my opponent came up with a few things that intrigued me.
Eldar (and 80% of the other races) are come the
apoc alies with daemons this means that.....
A) Each turn they are within 6" of each other they have to roll for one eye open. This makes sense to me.
B) Sense come the
apoc allies cant be deployed within 12" of each other, and according to him deepstrike counts as deployment (Page anyone) then Daemons can never be summened be eldar or anyone who is come the
apoc with daemons. This im not so sure about, as its clearly not
RAI but is it really
RAW?
No it's only during normal deployment , they're actually arriving from reserves. It was argued into the literal ground in
YMDC. It's not
RAW or
RAI. It's someone making a False Dichotomy argument.
Basically
Come the Apocalypse
Units that will only ally ‘Come the Apocalypse’ are treated exactly like Desperate Allies, but cannot deploy within 12” of each other when they are deploying for battle .
This only applies when you are deploying for battle. You're not deploying for battle when you deploy from reserves, you're actually arriving from reserves.
‘Before the Game Begins’ and ‘At the End of the Game’
During your game, you may encounter rules that say that an action or event happens ‘before the game begins’. Examples of such events include generating Warlord Traits and psychic powers. These are always resolved before the armies deploy for battle.
Another section explaining when you actually deploy for battle
Deployment: How the armies must deploy will be described here. Most missions also include a deployment map which accompanies the deployment instructions to describe how and where each of the armies deploys.
Another quote on when deployment is and how it works.
Deployment Zones
Once the armies are chosen, the areas where they can be set up, or rather deployed, must be decided.
Literally defines what deployed means
Preparing Reserves
When deploying their armies, players can choose not to deploy some of their units , keeping them as Reserves to arrive later. In addition, if it impossible to deploy a unit for any reason, it must be placed in Reserve.
Literally states that Reserves are not the same as normal deployment rules and does not mean it is deploying for battle and is in fact a seperate thing all together.
Conjured units are treated as arriving from reserve for all rules purposes. It's just treated as arriving from reserve deployed in this case literally means where they can set up.
Deploying for battle and deploying from reserves are two different things.
You would however suffer from the One Eyed Open Rules.
Hope that clears it up , I'd post page numbers but it's a EBOOK.