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Thanks for all your replies sorry I haven't replied till this morning I pretty much flaked out.

Well looks wise is a complete draw. Don't get me wrong. I can appreciate the fact that Dark eldar.. to ssome degree have better models but then I'm a huge fan of the rag tag orks. But on a serious scale it probably would be dark eldar if I wanted a darker evil looking army.

Background... Well. I love the concept of orks. But I'm not so keen on their stupidity as much. I find it much more enthralling reading how a weapon from the dark eldar can liquefy an enemy and make his bones explode. The detail it goes in to..

Gaming terms for me is the loggerhead. Due to me purging my games workshop before I stopped playing 40k, some 3 years ago. I think it's when fliers just starting coming out. I have no idea how 40k works anymore in terms over jinking ect. But that's where I suppose dark eldar factor into it more. People say they're more tactically rewarding. And to me.. when I've been told you can table people in two turns or be tabled is a huge attraction. He who dares wins and that. I like the concept that with Dark eldar comes a risk. They're fast. Hit hard. And can melt your skin off your body.

The power creep of later editions has slowly seen Dark Eldars firepower diminish, to the point where they would have extreme trouble tabling most 7th armies in 2 or even 3 turns, assuming a good game.

From the reports I've watched and read, from talking to a few people, the firepower for dark eldar (Again from what I've been told) is still more then potent?? Maybe only tabling on a good day as you say. But I didn't think it had diminished as much as you say it has?

The firepower is certainly potent, as poison on everything and lances for th rest means you rarely struggle to wound anything. A wriathknight is just a 6 wound marine to you, when it comes to firing poison.

Both play extremely well on the table

WRacks - given you dont need troops, especially when you take the non-OS formations that give you horrible numbers of elite choices anyway, are definitely not a bad choice.

 Jimsolo wrote:
In an edition where psykers are extremely powerful

Here's your official zero credibility card. Have a nice day.

On topic: the new DE book is I think better balanced and slightly stronger.

We'll see in the next months how it plays out.

Nice thanks for the insightful contribution Morgoth.

Its about par for the course with that poster. Always a unique viewpoint, especially when it comes to the location of car companies....

To Andy - the main thing is to try the play style out for yourself. proxy it up, build something you think would be fun, and give it a try. There is only so much people on here can say - a lot of people like to play armies that struggle, because they like to play those armies. It just fits with them.

Well I have enough cash to get me started on an army I have a friend on here who is helping me out

Do you guys have any suggestions for an all round ish starting force?

I'm gonna be spending about £500, $800

For DE? Raiders, wracks, venoms and the fighter are all fairly solid choices. Its worth looking a tthe rules, if you can, to see if any formation particularly grabs you - as pointed out, tehre is a lovely little Haemi coven formation of just 2 wracks, 2 venom, that DS turn 1. THats 24 poison shots going whereever you want....

Yeah I'm gonna pick up the coven supplement I think tomorrow I love the talos and cronos so I'm looking forward to getting them and some grotesques but I'm glad Wracks are useful too!

Theres also the murderpack (5 helbrute / aka chaos dreadnoughts) equivalent, of I think 5 Talos in a single unit. Or the talos plus haemi plus chronos unit....

Really, the whole supplement is full of fun stuff. You still of course need the main book, but there is some pretty interesting items in there.

Is that the one where they have the VP thing called 'let the harvest begin' or something like that??

Yeah I love the coven stuff apart from the hq funnily enough haha. But the idea of 3 T7 monsters drawing the fire power seems like something I'd want

5 T7 monsters. 5.

Something like that - if they score first blood you get D3 VPs, not 1

The Wyche set ($160 USD) is not bad to start. Thankfully, GW has started providing boxes that give you some cost savings.

Yeah the coven formations are all pretty much really solid. The one I think especially is dangerous is the Haemy , Talos, Chronos combo w/ WWP.

That's not pleasant.