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 Frazzled wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
So a mental illness is only something that can be cured? So leukemia is not a illness? just a state of blood? It is a mental illness the brain is ment to insure you produce children and survive if you are not doing them then your ill lol

1. Please cite scientific proof that your brain means to insure you prpoduce children?
2. Why do you (falsely) think gay people don't want to have children?



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 MrDwhitey wrote:
Oh look a 1950s playground called!

hey don't diss the 50s. Soul music baby. Soul music.

Because it takes a man and a woman to make a kid, so having sex with one of your own sex can't produce a child. You may want a child but no matter how much you masturbate your not going to get one. It requires a egg and a sperm, which the two different sexes are required to produce. IE gay no kids.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Hey Frazzled, you should know that all times have bad and good.

It'd just be nice if this guy brought some good though.

To be perfectly honest, it's pointless to even try debate with a hateful creature like this, just ignore/mock/ridicule until they die out.

Debate the issue and not the person, its for the best. '

Unless they like cats in which case I'd advidse: a pond; good chains; and 50 lb of cement.

The problem I have is there is no point debating the issue with someone like that.

What will you achieve? Nothing. They will continue being a hateful bigot, you will have wasted some time and possibly got annoyed.

Sort of like debating line versus cavalry with Frazzled... *

*I kid.

OgreChubbs wrote:
Because it takes a man and a woman to make a kid, so having sex with one of your own sex can't produce a child. You may want a child but no matter how much you masturbate your not going to get one. It requires a egg and a sperm, which the two different sexes are required to produce. IE gay no kids.

You've forgotten about IVF, which is also used by tens of thousands of heterosexual couples in the US every year.
You've also forgotten about adoption.

So for all the hetero men out there who don't want kids - they're abnormal? Have you even been around kids? I'm surprised the species survives.


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 MrDwhitey wrote:
The problem I have is there is no point debating the issue with someone like that.

What will you achieve? Nothing. They will continue being a hateful bigot, you will have wasted some time and possibly got annoyed.

Sort of like debating line versus cavalry with Frazzled... *

*I kid.

Hussars for the win! Nothing says "personal space no touchy!" line a line of Polish winged hussars charging at you!

 MrDwhitey wrote:
The problem I have is there is no point debating the issue with someone like that.

What will you achieve? Nothing. They will continue being a hateful bigot, you will have wasted some time and possibly got annoyed.

Sort of like debating line versus cavalry with Frazzled... *

*I kid.

See what your saying here this is what causes people to hate, I find myself getting more and more annoyed and hateful towards your cause because I dislike you lol. So when you ask why is there hate /\ I have no problem with gays but people like you I do and you leech to this cause and bringn the hate. ie. I hate the person not the cause.

I'm not the one throwing absolute bs around as a fact, so there's that.

You've already been shown why it's bs and gone "LALALALA", so what's the point in going further? There is none.

OgreChubbs wrote:

 MrDwhitey wrote:
The problem I have is there is no point debating the issue with someone like that.

What will you achieve? Nothing. They will continue being a hateful bigot, you will have wasted some time and possibly got annoyed.

Sort of like debating line versus cavalry with Frazzled... *

*I kid.

See what your saying here this is what causes people to hate, I find myself getting more and more annoyed and hateful towards your cause because I dislike you lol. So when you ask why is there hate /\ I have no problem with gays but people like you I do and you leech to this cause and bringn the hate. ie. I hate the person not the cause.

You hate gay people? Why?
Wussy. A real man hates everyone who dares encroach upon his yard.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
I'm not the one throwing absolute bs around as a fact, so there's that.

You've already been shown why it's bs and gone "LALALALA", so what's the point in going further? There is none.

So the theory's and facts provided by the doctors who study it are bs facts? and your friend saying random stuff is true facts? I ask for theory's and proven facts not what your friend or teacher said. If it is taught on a higher grade level and is a theory of over 5 years of facts then I will listen. Which help prove it not bs facts btw.

As for the second part I find the need to defend myself from the children who want to be right and say random things rather then show facts. Like you then shoot insults at people like me who show facts to back my opinion then you say something stupid like he hates gays trying to win them to your cause. Where if anyone read pass 3 lines would understand you have no facts just poor built opnions with little backing information.

Again I do not hate gays I hate him he is an idiot who screams what he thinks and has nothing to back it up. Which just brings the rest of us down to his level of gradschool

What exactly are you trying to say then?

Be clear.

Also I'll reply after Halloween. its time to party!

OgreChubbs wrote:

 MrDwhitey wrote:
I'm not the one throwing absolute bs around as a fact, so there's that.

You've already been shown why it's bs and gone "LALALALA", so what's the point in going further? There is none.

So the theory's and facts provided by the doctors who study it are bs facts? and your friend saying random stuff is true facts? I ask for theory's and proven facts not what your friend or teacher said. If it is taught on a higher grade level and is a theory of over 5 years of facts then I will listen. Which help prove it not bs facts btw.

As for the second part I find the need to defend myself from the children who want to be right and say random things rather then show facts. Like you then shoot insults at people like me who show facts to back my opinion then you say something stupid like he hates gays trying to win them to your cause. Where if anyone read pass 3 lines would understand you have no facts just poor built opnions with little backing information.

Again I do not hate gays I hate him he is an idiot who screams what he thinks and has nothing to back it up. Which just brings the rest of us down to his level of gradschool

This entire post is amazing and I want to use it as my signature.

 Frazzled wrote:
What exactly are you trying to say then?

Be clear.

Also I'll reply after Halloween. its time to party!

You never read all of i said I take it

I am trying to say it is a mental illness which "if it causing harm to the person" should be treated and not lumped into a sub category and told to do something life changing before seeing if there is a deeper root.
p.s. this part is about sex change and such not gay

I also said altho it a mental illness does not mean it is wrong just a false firing que in the brain" Like mine with fear of crowds social anxiety" which is a mental illness.

The first part was why is there hate towards the gay community I started by saying because people like him then we got off topic and started on mental illness.... not sure how.

My statement before he jumped on was as long as no one gets hurt and your not "feeling hurt" who cares and enjoy your life. Life is hard and kinda sucks alot of the time with out people finding a reason to bring more problems.

[MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius]

OgreChubbs wrote:
Because it takes a man and a woman to make a kid, so having sex with one of your own sex can't produce a child. You may want a child but no matter how much you masturbate your not going to get one. It requires a egg and a sperm, which the two different sexes are required to produce. IE gay no kids.

Btw, haven't the Japanese found a way for lesbian couples to get kids without a man being involved now?

I think I read something about it in a science magazine.

 Ashiraya wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
Because it takes a man and a woman to make a kid, so having sex with one of your own sex can't produce a child. You may want a child but no matter how much you masturbate your not going to get one. It requires a egg and a sperm, which the two different sexes are required to produce. IE gay no kids.

Btw, haven't the Japanese found a way for lesbian couples to get kids without a man being involved now?

I think I read something about it in a science magazine.

That would actually pretty cool to read

Rule #1 Everyone.

It isn't optional.

OgreChubbs wrote:
? It is a mental illness the brain is ment to insure you produce children and survive if you are not doing them then your ill lol

So people having sex for pleasure, rather than for the specific purpose of creating a child, are mentally ill as well, now?

OgreChubbs wrote:

 MrDwhitey wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
So a mental illness is only something that can be cured? So leukemia is not a illness? just a state of blood? It is a mental illness the brain is ment to insure you produce children and survive if you are not doing them then your ill lol

Oh look the 1950s called again!

Why is it when you have no answer you say a short snark not just you just the dumb. If you have nothing good to add, add nothing I provided scientific statements theorys and contradicted that a mental illness is only a illness if it can be cured. Then I get back nuh uh nuh uh prove it lalalalala. I feel like I am talking to children so I am walking away from this. Once someone makes a statement with a theory that has been proven or researcher-ed for atleast 5+ years I will see it worth my time until then I will end it like you guys

NUH UH I AM RIGHT YOUR WRONG LALALALALALA

Your "scientific statements" are not up to date.

There is a lot of scientific evidence from humans and other social animals that non-reproducing 'uncles' can be a great help in the survival of children. The 'selfish gene' theory explains why this makes evolutionary sense.

Thus, your view is arguably based merely on social attitudes, rooted in the Victorian dislike of homosexuality that peaked in civilised countries in the 1950s before a wave of humanitarian reform started to sweep the progressive nations.

OgreChubbs wrote:
I am trying to say it is a mental illness which "if it causing harm to the person" should be treated and not lumped into a sub category and told to do something life changing before seeing if there is a deeper root.
p.s. this part is about sex change and such not gay

And the people who are actually experts in treating gender identity issues disagree with you. There really isn't any controversy over the fact that sometimes you get a brain/body mismatch, and that the best solution to the problem is to fix the body to align with how the brain works. Your supposed "deeper root" that can be fixed has no evidence for it at all.


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 Alpharius wrote:
Rule #1 Everyone.

It isn't optional.

[MOD EDIT - YES, RULE #1 - Alpharius]

OgreChubbs wrote:

So the theory's and facts provided by the doctors who study it are bs facts? and your friend saying random stuff is true facts? I ask for theory's and proven facts not what your friend or teacher said. If it is taught on a higher grade level and is a theory of over 5 years of facts then I will listen. Which help prove it not bs facts btw.

You yourself haven't provided a single relevant, up to date theory but you act like you have, then rubbish everyone's argument for not providing some to counter your none? You sound like an anti-vaccination supporter quoting the Lancet article despite everything we actually know.

OgreChubbs wrote:

 MrDwhitey wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
So a mental illness is only something that can be cured? So leukemia is not a illness? just a state of blood? It is a mental illness the brain is ment to insure you produce children and survive if you are not doing them then your ill lol

Oh look the 1950s called again!

Why is it when you have no answer you say a short snark not just you just the dumb. If you have nothing good to add, add nothing I provided scientific statements theorys and contradicted that a mental illness is only a illness if it can be cured. Then I get back nuh uh nuh uh prove it lalalalala. I feel like I am talking to children so I am walking away from this. Once someone makes a statement with a theory that has been proven or researcher-ed for atleast 5+ years I will see it worth my time until then I will end it like you guys

NUH UH I AM RIGHT YOUR WRONG LALALALALALA

You'll be back.

Like other people have said, you haven't really provided any "scientific statements" that are any different than this:

“Uh, sir, phrenology was dismissed as quackery a hundred-sixty years ago.” – Mr. Smithers
“Of course you’d say that, you have the brainpan of stage coach tilter.” – C.M. Burns

I've always found it interesting that so many people seem to expect online discussion to be approached like some sort of formal presentation.

If this discussion was taking place in person, nobody would be expected to provide written proof of their assertions. If I say 'there are scientific studies that show 'x'' then you have the option of going and looking for those studies if you are interested in establishing whether or not your current viewpoint is valid or not.

I don't expect anyone to take my word for what I say... but I'm not interested in doing your homework for you. It takes bare moments on Google to turn up any number of links to articles on gender identity and development based on recent science.




The other thing I find interesting is that 20 years ago, I was saying the same sort of ignorant things that OgreChubb is saying in this thread. As I got older and realised that I didn't actually know everything after all, I started looking at a lot of my long-held preconceptions and taking the time to establish whether they were grounded in actual fact or just the result of me making my mind up at some point based on an incomplete understanding.

This is a practice that I heartily recommend to everyone. All of that stuff that you have 'known' as a fact since you were a teenager? Pull it out occasionally and challenge it. You might be surprised by just how much of it turns out to be wrong.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

Like other people have said, you haven't really provided any "scientific statements" that are any different than this:

“Uh, sir, phrenology was dismissed as quackery a hundred-sixty years ago.” – Mr. Smithers
“Of course you’d say that, you have the brainpan of stage coach tilter.” – C.M. Burns

Hehehe. Well, we have to get the hole drilled quick. How else will the leeches be able to reduce the bad humours from the brain swelling?

 insaniak wrote:
I've always found it interesting that so many people seem to expect online discussion to be approached like some sort of formal presentation.

If this discussion was taking place in person, nobody would be expected to provide written proof of their assertions. If I say 'there are scientific studies that show 'x'' then you have the option of going and looking for those studies if you are interested in establishing whether or not your current viewpoint is valid or not.

I don't expect anyone to take my word for what I say... but I'm not interested in doing your homework for you. It takes bare moments on Google to turn up any number of links to articles on gender identity and development based on recent science.




The other thing I find interesting is that 20 years ago, I was saying the same sort of ignorant things that OgreChubb is saying in this thread. As I got older and realised that I didn't actually know everything after all, I started looking at a lot of my long-held preconceptions and taking the time to establish whether they were grounded in actual fact or just the result of me making my mind up at some point based on an incomplete understanding.

This is a practice that I heartily recommend to everyone. All of that stuff that you have 'known' as a fact since you were a teenager? Pull it out occasionally and challenge it. You might be surprised by just how much of it turns out to be wrong.

Because no one want's to be "that guy" who fact checks everything as you make your claims. Behind a computer you can do so without reproach and have the convenience of the internet readily availible.