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**The Imperial Answer**

How about a blood-letters BS. Why does a close combat daemon of khorne have a BS 5 when it will likely see no use outside of maybe the skull-cannon.

For that matter , the ballistic skill of a lot of daemons in the codex that don't have any range weapon at all...

**EVIL INC**

The Imperial Answer wrote:
How about a blood-letters BS. Why does a close combat daemon of khorne have a BS 5 when it will likely see no use outside of maybe the skull-cannon.

For that matter , the ballistic skill of a lot of daemons in the codex that don't have any range weapon at all...

But yet, you pay for the BS in points. Silly isnt it. Course could make them good shots on a quad gun but unless they just killed a unit that was manning it and there are no other enemy units reachable, they shouldnt need to fire it.

**Bookwrack**

The Imperial Answer wrote:
How about a blood-letters BS. Why does a close combat daemon of khorne have a BS 5 when it will likely see no use outside of maybe the skull-cannon.

For that matter , the ballistic skill of a lot of daemons in the codex that don't have any range weapon at all...

Does no one remember the daemon prince and the kai gun?

**Ghaz**

I remember the daemon prince and the minor psychic powers.

**Luke_Prowler**

Why does an assaulting unit loose it's assault bonus if it attacks two units of 10, but not when against 1 unit of 30+, even if they could theoretically be just as spread out?

**vipoid**

Why does charging through cover without grenades inflict massive penalties to some units, whilst doing nothing whatsoever to others?

**Talon of Anathrax**

Why is it easier for a baledrake to kill 1 marine in a squad of 10 than when he's alone?

**Me Like Burnaz**

Not sure if this one made it but Orks being affected by Fear abilities. In general the use of Leadership for any and all mental strength and will type rolls.

**Bobthehero**

Orks break pretty often in the fluff.

**The Imperial Answer**

Not that I'm complaining about this one (I like this one in fact) but the grots being able to use the toughness of the artillery. Even when their not standing behind it.

**vipoid**

- Necrons are subject to Fear.

- An objective that has been sabotaged can explode multiple times. Also, for some reason, it is still considered an objective - as opposed to a 'trap' or a 'smoking crater'. In fact, there is apparently value to putting men near a device which consistently explodes.

**EVIL INC**

vipoid wrote:

- An objective that has been sabotaged can explode multiple times. Also, for some reason, it is still considered an objective - as opposed to a 'trap' or a 'smoking crater'. In fact, there is apparently value to putting men near a device which consistently explodes.

TOTALLY agree with this one. My guys always have a shoving match at the end of the game where the runt of the units gets shoved close to it.

**OrkaMorka**

Charge range fails - why would a unit consider running at the enemy to get into pointy stick range, get hot at in the process, but stand completely still if they don't think they'll make it running over a certain distance.

If I was going to run for a trench with my gun, I'm not going to stop and stand still because I think ill get tired after running ten feet.

**EVIL INC**

I agree. You should move the distance rolled even if ya dont make it. Of course, then you would have people declaring "assaults" from crazy distances like 36 inches (hey I MIGHT roll a total of 36 on the 2d6 right? right?) just to get the extra 2d6 of movement.

**vipoid**

EVIL INC wrote:
I agree. You should move the distance rolled even if ya dont make it. Of course, then you would have people declaring "assaults" from crazy distances like 36 inches (hey I MIGHT roll a total of 36 on the 2d6 right? right?) just to get the extra 2d6 of movement.

Well, on that front, we have the weird situation whereby a unit that runs can't move nearly as far as a unit that stops to fight.

**A Town Called Malus**

vipoid wrote:
EVIL INC wrote:
I agree. You should move the distance rolled even if ya dont make it. Of course, then you would have people declaring "assaults" from crazy distances like 36 inches (hey I MIGHT roll a total of 36 on the 2d6 right? right?) just to get the extra 2d6 of movement.

Well, on that front, we have the weird situation whereby a unit that runs can't move nearly as far as a unit that stops to fight.

Might be better to go more Fantasy style where you would move the number of inches equal to the highest die roll. So if you roll a 4 and a 3 you would move 4" forwards.

**Ashiraya**

Hell, just say that you can't charge at all if you are more than 12" away.

Then you can move whatever you rolled even if the charge fails.

**A Town Called Malus**

Ashiraya wrote:
Hell, just say that you can't charge at all if you are more than 12" away.

Then you can move whatever you rolled even if the charge fails.

But then again, if you're a tough unit which can survive overwatch (such as Terminators or other 2+ save models) and the unit you're attempting to charge isn't gonna charge you (Fire Warriors or whatever) then there's not really any downside to attempting a charge from 12" away. If you pass then well done, if you fail you've just got anywhere from 2" to 11" of free movement.

It would allow units in an assault transport to reliably move 19" a turn (6" move in vehicle, 6" disembark then 7" charge).

**CrownAxe**

The Imperial Answer wrote:
How about a blood-letters BS. Why does a close combat daemon of khorne have a BS 5 when it will likely see no use outside of maybe the skull-cannon.

For that matter , the ballistic skill of a lot of daemons in the codex that don't have any range weapon at all...

What is a Quad Gun?

**Ashiraya**

A Town Called Malus wrote:
Ashiraya wrote:
Hell, just say that you can't charge at all if you are more than 12" away.

Then you can move whatever you rolled even if the charge fails.

But then again, if you're a tough unit which can survive overwatch (such as Terminators or other 2+ save models) and the unit you're attempting to charge isn't gonna charge you (Fire Warriors or whatever) then there's not really any downside to attempting a charge from 12" away. If you pass then well done, if you fail you've just got anywhere from 2" to 11" of free movement.

It would allow units in an assault transport to reliably move 19" a turn (6" move in vehicle, 6" disembark then 7" charge).

Overwatch. It still hurts.

It's also fluffy.

**A Town Called Malus**

Ashiraya wrote:
A Town Called Malus wrote:
Ashiraya wrote:
Hell, just say that you can't charge at all if you are more than 12" away.

Then you can move whatever you rolled even if the charge fails.

But then again, if you're a tough unit which can survive overwatch (such as Terminators or other 2+ save models) and the unit you're attempting to charge isn't gonna charge you (Fire Warriors or whatever) then there's not really any downside to attempting a charge from 12" away. If you pass then well done, if you fail you've just got anywhere from 2" to 11" of free movement.

It would allow units in an assault transport to reliably move 19" a turn (6" move in vehicle, 6" disembark then 7" charge).

Overwatch. It still hurts.

It's also fluffy.

Except for the part where only the most armoured units would be doing it and so gaining way more ground. You wouldn't see Wyches attempting 12" charges for extra movement because they get slaughtered in overwatch, whereas Terminators generally laugh at it due to inaccurate shooting and good armour.

So it would make Terminators faster in game terms than Wyches or other lightly armoured assault units (except Orks who have enough numbers to ignore such casualties).

**EVIL INC**

Wouldnt that make sense and be fluffy? A squad who knows they can wether the fire WOULD continue to march/assault whereas a group of soldiers wearing loincloths and brassiers would tend to be a little more cautious. It would also make taking termies a little more usefull anyways.

**A Town Called Malus**

EVIL INC wrote:
Wouldnt that make sense and be fluffy? A squad who knows they can wether the fire WOULD continue to march/assault whereas a group of soldiers wearing loincloths and brassiers would tend to be a little more cautious. It would also make taking termies a little more usefull anyways.

A squad of soldiers hopped up on drugs and who live to fight up close and personal and to feast on their opponents pain would hang around and be cautious? That's like saying that Khorne Berzerkers would stand back and shoot their pistols rather than charge.

**EVIL INC**

hyped up and on drugs does not equal stupid.
Khorne berserkers would blithly continue because to them, Khorne cares not from whence the skulls come so long as they come and are more than willing to have their skulls be the ones to go.
The Dark eldar would be cautious regardless of how hyped up they are because they only want to assault if they are absolutely SURE hey will make it. They have a little more to lose and are less willing to part with what they have to lose.
Its a fluff thing that still makes sense. Different interpretations of the fluff causes different people to see these situations differently.

**The Imperial Answer**

CrownAxe wrote:
The Imperial Answer wrote:
How about a blood-letters BS. Why does a close combat daemon of khorne have a BS 5 when it will likely see no use outside of maybe the skull-cannon.

For that matter , the ballistic skill of a lot of daemons in the codex that don't have any range weapon at all...

What is a Quad Gun?

The four barreled AA piece for the aegis defense line. Its for taking out flyers.

**The Imperial Answer**

Super-Heavy air-craft destruction is another thing that baffles me.

You mean to tell me every time you destroy a Super-Heavy aircraft it blows up and that there is no chance of it crashing and burning on the battlefield ?

**Grey Templar**

The Imperial Answer wrote:
Super-Heavy air-craft destruction is another thing that baffles me.

You mean to tell me every time you destroy a Super-Heavy aircraft it blows up and that there is no chance of it crashing and burning on the battlefield ?

But in both cases a very large AOE scatters from the aircraft. The superheavy one is a lot bigger and nastier too.

Not seeing the problem.

**The Imperial Answer**

Grey Templar wrote:
The Imperial Answer wrote:
Super-Heavy air-craft destruction is another thing that baffles me.

You mean to tell me every time you destroy a Super-Heavy aircraft it blows up and that there is no chance of it crashing and burning on the battlefield ?

But in both cases a very large AOE scatters from the aircraft. The superheavy one is a lot bigger and nastier too.

Not seeing the problem.

Does it affect ground units ?

**Grey Templar**

Of course.

Why wouldn't it?

It certainly can't effect flyers.

**The Imperial Answer**

I'm still wondering what stops the aircraft from just plowing into the ground as a wreck when it looses it's last hull-point ? It seems more likely that most of the time you would are disable its ability to stay airborne instead of blowing it up out-right.

Also since it does blow-up anyway, why doesn't it affect air-units ? They could be close enough to be caught in the blast when the air-craft is destroyed.